Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[The Accountant]

Just remember... Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

So if you’re pre-selling, where else would you pre-sell besides eBay?

Houdini is selling on here, I'm guessing Mercari, and who knows where else. It's just starting up so we'll see as the week plays out.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by cubsfan2154

What did you pay for it? I realized I got lucky paying 21 for mine and having it ship.

$90 on Wednesday. Let's just say that I've been sweating bullets all weekend.

[WHyFLy]

On positive news, Rochester Trout just hit $100 on a BIN. Let's go!

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Every one of your posts is negative about this project..its likr you want to it fail so you can pat yourself on the back for not jumping in. We get it..its not something you like or get..you've stated it NUMEROUS times

I'm not negative to the cards themselves. I think some are nice looking, some aren't, overall, it's a clever idea. It doesn't hold much personal interest to me, but a complete run of an artist or player would be a cool talking point. Innovative products in the hobby are welcomed.

I'm negative about the speculative bubble of this project and how it will extend to other parts of the baseball card market.

First, if a ton of people get their investments wiped out, it's going to reverberate through the rest of the card market.

Second, if this speculation creates a ton of hype, and that gets wiped out in a Beanie Baby-esque fashion, it destroys the credibility of the rest of the card market.

[mlc3423]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

Here's what I will say as someone with plenty of skin in the game at this point, this thing is going to get killed by the guys making very small margins pre-selling on eBay. This is where almost every big edge starts to crumble in a market, people finding ways to grind out laughably small edges in mass-production style. More and more are starting to jump into the pre-selling game every day and it will raise supply to a point that it actually meets demand at a reasonable price. Not to mention, everyone on this thread and who knows where else is buying 5-10+ of these every run. Not saying it happens today or even this week, but we'll get there pretty soon. Now will it crater past cards value? Probably not totally, but if you believe that a lot of the value of this is in the art then why would any reasonable customer not by the next Ermsy piece to come off of Topps for $15-20 instead of your Ermsy Williams for $400 on eBay?

First i'm not sure how the presellers are going to hurt this because from what we're hearing most of them on ebay (excluding twinsjake and the other good guys) aren't honoring the presales to begin with


Secondly IMHO as long as you have people that are set collectors that will try anything and everything to complete this set the low PR cards should be just fine....A lot of the stuff in the future may be affected especially if PR's start topping 100k or more that really isn't a crazy number if you figure the base print run of other products and cards (Topps Update, Prizm Basketball, etc)


As far as the art collecting goes i never was an expert on it but my high school homeroom teacher was and still is and some of the stuff she's bought and sold over the years blows my mind what people will pay...Stuff that looks like it came from a back alley or side of the road sells for 5, 6, and seven figures....As she always said and has said "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

[ClevelandIC]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Yup. He said it would be BIGGER than that. Which is crazy to fathom. Idk, that's why I'm so ancy over here.

I can't imagine what would be bigger than a Gary Vee bump. Honestly. The announcement might have something to do with his Trout and if it does I think he is over playing it. A huge PR or Trout special appearance won't raise the value of the entire project. It either has to be huge, huge. Or a slight exaggeration.

[metsandweezer]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

Houdini is selling on here, I'm guessing Mercari, and who knows where else. It's just starting up so we'll see as the week plays out.

I will gladly pre-sell on here.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

Just remember... Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered.

Ya, I'm really only buying 1 of everything. I did buy 3 Fucci Trouts, 3 Saladeen Mays, and 2 Ermsy Williams, oh and accidentally ordered 2 Grotesk Bretts, but I don't want to extend myself to deep.

Most I paid for a card: $964
Second highest I paid: $90

Everything else has been under $40

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by ClevelandIC

I can't imagine what would be bigger than a Gary Vee bump. Honestly. The announcement might have something to do with his Trout and if it does I think he is over playing it. A huge PR or Trout special appearance won't raise the value of the entire project. It either has to be huge, huge. Or a slight exaggeration.

I mean Ben Baller also announced a bit ago his Jeter is going to be the face of this entire project and promised it. All these artists are pumping their work incredibly high and it's making values jump in anticipation.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by thenightman

Ya, I'm really only buying 1 of everything. I did buy 3 Fucci Trouts, 3 Saladeen Mays, and 2 Ermsy Williams, oh and accidentally ordered 2 Grotesk Bretts, but I don't want to extend myself to deep.

Most I paid for a card: $964
Second highest I paid: $90

Everything else has been under $40

What was the $964 card if you don't mind me asking? Fucci Rip?

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by metsandweezer

So if you’re pre-selling, where else would you pre-sell besides eBay?

I totally missed the point of your question. Having one too many conversations. I mean I think it's obvious that any cash deal that circumvents the ability for the buyer to make a return simply because a dip in value is the optimal answer. That may be difficult to make happen of course.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

Paternalistic mansplaining? I'm sorry to hurt your feelers.

It's not hurting feelings dude..maybe for some us this project is BIG welcome distraction (and for me personally a much needed one) from the crappiness that has been this year and you come in every post and take a giant crap on it..why? To make yourself feel better? I haven't had this much fun with cards in a long time and I absolutely LOVE the banter in this thread (exception being you and the other debbie downers). My best friend who hasn't collected in 19 YEARS got into this and him and his Fiancee love the cards. He's not over extending himself or anything. It's just a really cool project. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean you have to spread your doom and gloom to everyone else

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

What was the $964 card if you don't mind me asking? Fucci Rip?

Chang Rivera. I made the decision last week that when this is all said and done she will be one of the more famous artists to come out of this. Some for reasons, like skill, and other reasons, like she's the only female artist. So, I needed the Rivera to complete her run. Kicking myself because I could have bought it for $250 earlier last week and I said, "That's too much!" LOLOLOLOL

[DStars45]

No, both individually on Saturday. One seller has nothing else up for sale and the other has 3 cards so neither of them are big.

Originally Posted by silverandblack

Did you buy those as a set? If so what seller?

[Snakeonia]

Originally Posted by hpatel1089

I am assuming its going to be his Trout which will be number 100 - maybe Trout live streaming the card at 12 pm the day of launch?

Im a contrarian at heart way way too many people are dreaming up trout revealing this card. Which means it most certainly wont happen. I could see gary v pitching some sort of collectable portfolio with this being an important piece. Either way its growing for the next cpl weeks then maybe see some stagnation. Wallet fatigue has to set in unless im the only one without unlimited funds.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Namttip]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

I think the nuance between alternative currency, the Internet, and reprinted baseball cards is being lost on you.

I understand the allure of hiphop culture, urban art. It drives the shoe market. I just don't care about it myself.

I don't have to hold a personal interest to understand the cultural phenomenon.

Dismissing BTC as an alternate currency or ETH to replace the dollar is the miss...

No one thought the internet would be what it would be...

"Reprinted" baseball cards and nostalgia are hot - kids like it, moms like it, a lot of people like it, so combining all aspects is an apex. This could be the change Topps has been looking for - direct to consumer much higher return for them. They have stumbled on not having to have numbered cards, 1/1s, 50/50s, etc. You are also missing it if you dismiss them as just reprints.

We all have the same info, so all good, it will go up, go down, or plateau. But dismissing something because you do not care just means you have not put leg work into understanding it, which is fine.

Buy what you are like and you will never be burned or holding bags.

[Wiseysez]

Took a half day off work today. Sitting near my front door anxiously awaiting the mail. Should have 8 packages arriving. Cost me about $1600 when I bought them all last week. Current value probably between 6-7000. Crazy crazy.

[JVB]

Everyone... can we pause for a moment and dwell on this Tuesday, June 2 comment?

Did Blake ever say anything about other publicity, or just that something big is happening that day? Because every tenth card drops on Tuesday. Which means card 100 drops on Tuesday, June 2. We already know that card #100 is Blake's Trout, which he says is his best card yet. That would qualify as "something big" for him, right?

It's entirely possible he's just pumping his release.

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by Chris P

It's not hurting feelings dude..maybe for some us this project is BIG welcome distraction (and for me personally a much needed one) from the crappiness that has been this year and you come in every post and take a giant crap on it..why? To make yourself feel better? I haven't had this much fun with cards in a long time and I absolutely LOVE the banter in this thread (exception being you and the other debbie downers). My best friend who hasn't collected in 19 YEARS got into this and him and his Fiancee love the cards. He's not over extending himself or anything. It's just a really cool project. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean you have to spread your doom and gloom to everyone else

So, in essence, you love the aspect of reflecting on something you own increasing 1,000% overnight, and dislike it when someone raises a counterpoint to it.

I assure you, you are not the only person who has had a bad time in 2020.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

I'm not negative to the cards themselves. I think some are nice looking, some aren't, overall, it's a clever idea. It doesn't hold much personal interest to me, but a complete run of an artist or player would be a cool talking point. Innovative products in the hobby are welcomed.

I'm negative about the speculative bubble of this project and how it will extend to other parts of the baseball card market.

First, if a ton of people get their investments wiped out, it's going to reverberate through the rest of the card market.

Second, if this speculation creates a ton of hype, and that gets wiped out in a Beanie Baby-esque fashion, it destroys the credibility of the rest of the card market.

What the hobby needs most is a balance between collecting and investing.

With that said, the hobby would benefit greatly now from a market crash given it's way out of balance.

I'd say most pure collectors would support a crash right now.

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by justin80

not my cup of tea

no bears?

[cubsfan2154]

Originally Posted by WHyFLy

On positive news, Rochester Trout just hit $100 on a BIN. Let's go!

My 1st 5 5 pack! Along with Gibson Ermsy

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

no bears?

We got fanny packs!

[DR Murph]

Originally Posted by Namttip

Dismissing BTC as an alternate currency or ETH to replace the dollar is the miss...

No one thought the internet would be what it would be...

"Reprinted" baseball cards and nostalgia are hot - kids like it, moms like it, a lot of people like it, so combining all aspects is an apex. This could be the change Topps has been looking for - direct to consumer much higher return for them. They have stumbled on not having to have numbered cards, 1/1s, 50/50s, etc. You are also missing it if you dismiss them as just reprints.

We all have the same info, so all good, it will go up, go down, or plateau. But dismissing something because you do not care just means you have not put leg work into understanding it, which is fine.

Buy what you are like and you will never be burned or holding bags.

This is what makes these cards fun—buy what you like at release.