Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[thekiddfan]

Add a 13 to ur nick...fits like a glove :-)

Gerrard Giggs Lampard Scholes are legends yes but they no have prizm or select or donruss cards for people to punt to..

Will zion win 6 rings like MJ? I doubt so

Go tell that to the market :-)

Originally Posted by bobbycass

But realistically what can he become? Could he be rated higher than Gerrard, Giggs or Scholes, maybe, but extremely doubtful and you can pick up any amount of those cards for reasonable prices.

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by thekiddfan

Add a 13 to ur nick...fits like a glove :-)

Gerrard Giggs Lampard Scholes are legends yes but they no have prizm or select or donruss cards for people to punt to..

Will zion win 6 rings like MJ? I doubt so

Go tell that to the market :-)

There should be a 13 only group. Tbh my thoughts are also closer to the 13 group than the others.

[AsianBrizz]

As a Man City player, Phil Foden could be huge in Asia if he becomes a superstar. Here in Thailand, Man City is a big team. I'd say Asian collectors who may not be in on the secret right now might come rushing back with money in a few years if he reaches his potential. I've got some nice die-cut Foden cards that wiil certainly be worth more than the $5 I paid for them. They've already gone up on ebay...I see them for $30-50 per card. I don't need the card to sell for $1000. If I can make a $25 profit on a $5 card, that's pretty damn nice for me. If I can make $50, then so much the better.

I just don't get the negativity here.

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by AsianBrizz

I've got some nice die-cut Foden cards that wiil certainly be worth more than the $5 I paid for them. They've already gone up on ebay...I see them for $30-50 per card. I don't need the card to sell for $1000. If I can make a $25 profit on a $5 card, that's pretty damn nice for me. If I can make $50, then so much the better.

I just don't get the negativity here.

+1000

The 13's also like to talk about player potential & performance in a vacuum - as if the market itself is a nonfactor. If the market for soccer cards as a whole continues to grow, that will raise the ceiling for all of these guys. It's already happening. Mbappe prices go through the roof, so Sancho and Felix look like relative value buys. Their prices go up, so Havertz / Foden / VJ / TAA etc all benefit, as they now look like the smart buy. Bottom line: There is a LOT of new money coming into the soccer market. The tide is rising...and a rising tide raises all ships.

[KhalDrogo]

Mbappe (Prizm, Chrome, Select) -box: 399 results
Luka Optic 2018 -box: 1035 results

Soccer availability is minuscule compared to what people like myself are used to in other sports. Good luck holding out hope that prices will slow down.

[fadster]

I think the point is more about what position Foden plays and to be fair it's something we see in the hobby with all sports. Whether its pitchers in baseball, non QB/RB/WR in NFL (and that's being generous to rb's and wr's) or C's and pass first point guards in the NBA some positions just have a lower ceiling. It depends how far forward he gets pushed and what his output is as his position is right around the hobby relevance "line".

Just look at someone like Frenkie de Jong. Big move to Barcelona, made the FIFA XI, UEFA midfielder of the year all count for little as long term he's essentially the next Busquets and not the next great attacking talent.

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by fadster

I think the point is more about what position Foden plays and to be fair it's something we see in the hobby with all sports. Whether its pitchers in baseball, non QB/RB/WR in NFL (and that's being generous to rb's and wr's) or C's and pass first point guards in the NBA some positions just have a lower ceiling. It depends how far forward he gets pushed and what his output is as his position is right around the hobby relevance "line".

Very fair.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by fadster

I think the point is more about what position Foden plays and to be fair it's something we see in the hobby with all sports. Whether its pitchers in baseball, non QB/RB/WR in NFL (and that's being generous to rb's and wr's) or C's and pass first point guards in the NBA some positions just have a lower ceiling. It depends how far forward he gets pushed and what his output is as his position is right around the hobby relevance "line".

Just look at someone like Frenkie de Jong. Big move to Barcelona, made the FIFA XI, UEFA midfielder of the year all count for little as long term he's essentially the next Busquets and not the next great attacking talent.

very fair. having said that, can he not change positions in the future?

Pitchers will always be pitchers. Running Backs will always be running Backs, etc

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

very fair. having said that, can he not change positions in the future?

Pitchers will always be pitchers. Running Backs will always be running Backs, etc

Some players have changed their positions and improved. Bale is a good example , he moved from full back to a forward/winger. Same with dries mertens who changed to a striker. Ronaldo have also done something similar, he was a winger in his early days at manchester united.

Not sure if foden can emulate that as he is now with pep and pep likes his midfielders.

[YayNJ]

I'm glad to see more mentions of Foden, for me he is one of the best value punts on the market - his potential is huge and he is expected to replace Silva at Manchester City.

Another that is criminally underrated is Federico Chiesa, you can still pick up his Donruss Rookie for <$5, and his gold Rated Rookie /75 sold for £26 last week. He's linked with Juventus, Inter and Manchester United. He's already IMO better than Pulisic, who's rookie cards go for insane money for his current ability/potential. It makes me chuckle when people say Sancho is over-rated and his cards are selling too high when a Pulisic Donruss base rookie has gone for as high as circa £800.

[spotted penguins]

Originally Posted by fadster

I think the point is more about what position Foden plays and to be fair it's something we see in the hobby with all sports. Whether its pitchers in baseball, non QB/RB/WR in NFL (and that's being generous to rb's and wr's) or C's and pass first point guards in the NBA some positions just have a lower ceiling. It depends how far forward he gets pushed and what his output is as his position is right around the hobby relevance "line".

Just look at someone like Frenkie de Jong. Big move to Barcelona, made the FIFA XI, UEFA midfielder of the year all count for little as long term he's essentially the next Busquets and not the next great attacking talent.

We're watching a meteoric rise for Havertz chrome right now, same position, why can't any of these guys be next?

All they're missing is a marquee Prizm/Chrome card at this point, which Havertz has and de Jong/Foden do not.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

I'm glad to see more mentions of Foden, for me he is one of the best value punts on the market - his potential is huge and he is expected to replace Silva at Manchester City.

Another that is criminally underrated is Federico Chiesa, you can still pick up his Donruss Rookie for <$5, and his gold Rated Rookie /75 sold for £26 last week. He's linked with Juventus, Inter and Manchester United. He's already IMO better than Pulisic, who's rookie cards go for insane money for his current ability/potential. It makes me chuckle when people say Sancho is over-rated and his cards are selling too high when a Pulisic Donruss base rookie has gone for as high as circa £800.

The interesting phenomenon that you have with Pulisic is that he is a global talent with US ties. Reyna will be another prime example when his Chrome RC gets printed. The card market in the US is HUGE and local demand will push prices as much as talent. The market is all about demand whether we like it or not.

FWIW I do think Foden is still a great value at current prices. Also Vinicius for me is still undervalued given his massive potential.


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[Ianhatcher]

Foden might also be sitting out of any European competitions the next 2 years so no CL.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Foden might also be sitting out of any European competitions the next 2 years so no CL.

He's younger than Sancho & Havertz at 19.

Unless you are only interested in flipping in the short term, it's not really a big deal.

As a complete aside, what UEFA is planning for the Champions League from 2024 is pretty scandalous and will be another nail in the coffin for smaller / upcoming teams and yet more protection for the Mega Corp™ teams.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by spotted penguins

We're watching a meteoric rise for Havertz chrome right now, same position, why can't any of these guys be next?

All they're missing is a marquee Prizm/Chrome card at this point, which Havertz has and de Jong/Foden do not.

At this stage Havertz is a little bit more attacking both in position and the freedom he is given and it shows in his attacking returns, but I guess that's my point. I can't see De Jong ever playing that far up, his future is probably moving backwards to take over from Busquets. Foden though does but it'll depend on the manager too, Pep won't be around forever and Southgate might also use him differently too.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by sambruin98

Nice Havertz! While he's still my PC guy, the PC may now stand for Poor Chance as the run up on him is getting a little out of hand. Two orange/25 just sold for $1300 each within an hour of each other.

Somebody is going to lose a lot of money on these cards....

To start with, these are #/25 parallels....they're not even autos.

Secondly, while Haavertz is a good young player, he's not going to be the next Messi/CR7. He turns 21 next month (old for a "prospect") and is on the fringes of the German national team, having made only 8 appearances so far, mostly as a substitute in friendlies.

By the time Messi was 21 he had already helped lead Argentina to a Copa America Final, scored in the World Cup, and won an Olympic Gold Medal.

By the time CR7 was 21, he had already helped Portugal to the Euro 2004 Final and the 2006 World Cup semifinals.

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Somebody is going to lose a lot of money on these cards....

To start with, these are #/25 parallels....they're not even autos.

Secondly, while Haavertz is a good young player, he's not going to be the next Messi/CR7. He turns 21 next month (old for a "prospect") and is on the fringes of the German national team, having made only 8 appearances so far, mostly as a substitute in friendlies.

By the time Messi was 21 he had already helped lead Argentina to a Copa America Final, scored in the World Cup, and won an Olympic Gold Medal.

By the time CR7 was 21, he had already helped Portugal to the Euro 2014 Final and the 2016 World Cup semifinals.

Hmm your cr7 data is wrong. Maybe you are mentioning 2004 euro and 2006 worldcup.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

+1000

The 13's also like to talk about player potential & performance in a vacuum - as if the market itself is a nonfactor. If the market for soccer cards as a whole continues to grow, that will raise the ceiling for all of these guys. It's already happening. Mbappe prices go through the roof, so Sancho and Felix look like relative value buys. Their prices go up, so Havertz / Foden / VJ / TAA etc all benefit, as they now look like the smart buy. Bottom line: There is a LOT of new money coming into the soccer market. The tide is rising...and a rising tide raises all ships.

But can it sustainably raise all ships for an indefinite period of time???

Sustainable markets are driven by player performance, not by speculation. People are buying these players because they think they will get better in the future. But the minute they stop being "potential stars", market interest will start to disappear.

And these players do not exist in a vaccum either....next year there will be another group of "hot" young players coming along to compete for collector attention, and another group the year after that.

I've been collecting cards for 43 years and have seen umpteen "hot" prospects come and go across all sports. The percentage who actually become sustainable market superstars, with sustainably high prices, are few and far between.

In baseball, Trout is the only one in the last 15 years.
In basketball, LeBron, Kobe, and Curry are the only ones in the last 15 years.
In soccer, it's just Messi and CR7 in the past 15 years.
In hockey, it's just Crosby and Ovechkin in the past 15 years.
And football doesn't really have any.

Lots of formerly "hot" prospects end up have good careers and becoming stars. Very few become hobby "gods".

And at these prices, "god"-hood is already being assumed.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Raj3sh

Hmm your cr7 data is wrong. Maybe you are mentioning 2004 euro and 2006 worldcup.

Yep....typo...my bad.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by mfw13

on the fringes of the German national team, having made only 8 appearances so far, mostly as a substitute in friendlies.

He's behind 4x Champions League winning, 1x World Cup winning Kroos, world cup winning Leon Goretzka & Marco Reus

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by jjeanius

+1000

The 13's also like to talk about player potential & performance in a vacuum - as if the market itself is a nonfactor. If the market for soccer cards as a whole continues to grow, that will raise the ceiling for all of these guys. It's already happening. Mbappe prices go through the roof, so Sancho and Felix look like relative value buys. Their prices go up, so Havertz / Foden / VJ / TAA etc all benefit, as they now look like the smart buy. Bottom line: There is a LOT of new money coming into the soccer market. The tide is rising...and a rising tide raises all ships.

This is ESSENTIAL to understanding the current soccer market. It’s literally almost all going up. A number of us have been on here calling this one for a while now. It was the next logical market to boom.

People don’t like throwing away money on wistful thinking so naturally many shied away from spending too much too soon. A few people started venturing out into new territory for them, interest grew, doubters were won over, wallets got looser, FOMO set in, and voila! The market exploded.

Its not too late to buy in, but at this rate you may want to hurry up because the train is leaving town.


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[ThoseBackPages]

how many of these past "failed" soccer prospects have mainstream soccer cards?

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

This is ESSENTIAL to understanding the current soccer market. It’s literally almost all going up. A number of us have been on here calling this one for a while now. It was the next logical market to boom.

People don’t like throwing away money on wistful thinking so naturally many shied away from spending too much too soon. A few people started venturing out into new territory for them, interest grew, doubters were won over, wallets got looser, FOMO set in, and voila! The market exploded.

Its not too late to buy in, but at this rate you may want to hurry up because the train is leaving town.


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There seems to be quite a few bitter people that have either missed the boat, or don't like that a non-American dominated sport has finally gained traction.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

how many of these past "failed" soccer prospects have mainstream soccer cards?

FANTASTIC point.


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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

There seems to be quite a few bitter people that have either missed the boat, or don't like that a non-American dominated sport has finally gained traction.

I think it's the former. The bigger the global appeal the better for the hobby.

The fatal flaw for many is the failure to grasp the value the market puts on potential. Mbappe is AMZN in 2014.