✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[jdung17]

Originally Posted by akarlen

Ganbatte!

Wow! This really impressive. Nice collection!

[Raleigh504]

Originally Posted by akarlen

Ganbatte!

I am just curious, how many were these:

- pulled by you then graded (or even bought spot in a break)
- bought then graded
- or did you buy the graded card

I am always curious to see how people get their stash

[BBases31]

After having not looked at cards for 6 months, it's nice to see the Ohtani train finally catching up to where it should be. One of the blacks has since been graded a PSA 10:

[okumeister]

This auction is an interesting one to follow...
Already past $1,200 with 6 days left.
I have the same card in same grade, but it's not my auction.

SHOHEI OHTANI 2018 Topps Series 2 Black Parallel /67 RC Rookie #700 PSA 10
https://www.ebay.com/itm/28427602857...IAAOSwc4pf9T20

[Ovacs11]

Just received a Topps Now order. Kind of cool they included 5 of the same card, including a purple /25 (I ordered a single card)

[NYRE2PECT]

Shothani in purple because he's royalty.

[diz07]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

What does “True” mean? Seems like BO forums are the ones changing the rules to fit desired RC labels.
The Action is a variation... variation of the RC that is apart of the standard checklist. So the variation by nature is second to the non-variation. Saying a card is a true RC doesn’t make it so. But at the end of the day it’s about what you like right? So if the action is what you like, cool.


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His Heritage #17 card is his first Topps card and a short print (#17 is Zach Davies in base checklist) so it was the chase card and the price was really high. This is totally different from Acuna/Soto's cases as they don't have card in 2018 heritage. When they appeared in 2018 heritage high number, it was just another rookie card for them.

There are also people saying his 2017 Bowman mega box refractor is his true rookie because it was his first US card. You can find arguments for 2018 S2 (first flagship), or 2018 Update (S2 was just an insert, first flagship base). In this case you can also find a case for his 2013 BBM rookie card. I don't think there is a general rule because every player's case is unique.

The only thing matters is the price of the card. As of now, his 2017 Bowman mega box PSA 10 is selling for $350 and 2018 Heritage #17 PSA 10 is selling for $450. Both substantially higher than his S2 PSA 10($130) or Update PSA 10($140). I don't think this is driven by what is his true rookie, rather by population difference. And I think the price difference should be even higher based on the pop diff, but that's just my opinion.

Btw, a lot of people, especially new Ohtani collectors are still unaware of the difference between his heritage #17 and his #600 from heritage high number. For example, there is also a #600 heritage action variation rookie, but that's only a $220 card for PSA 10.

[al3xmac10]

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by diz07

His Heritage #17 card is his first Topps card and a short print (#17 is Zach Davies in base checklist) so it was the chase card and the price was really high. This is totally different from Acuna/Soto's cases as they don't have card in 2018 heritage. When they appeared in 2018 heritage high number, it was just another rookie card for them.

There are also people saying his 2017 Bowman mega box refractor is his true rookie because it was his first US card. You can find arguments for 2018 S2 (first flagship), or 2018 Update (S2 was just an insert, first flagship base). In this case you can also find a case for his 2013 BBM rookie card. I don't think there is a general rule because every player's case is unique.

The only thing matters is the price of the card. As of now, his 2017 Bowman mega box PSA 10 is selling for $350 and 2018 Heritage #17 PSA 10 is selling for $450. Both substantially higher than his S2 PSA 10($130) or Update PSA 10($140). I don't think this is driven by what is his true rookie, rather by population difference. And I think the price difference should be even higher based on the pop diff, but that's just my opinion.

Btw, a lot of people, especially new Ohtani collectors are still unaware of the difference between his heritage #17 and his #600 from heritage high number. For example, there is also a #600 heritage action variation rookie, but that's only a $220 card for PSA 10.

His Series 2 #700 is a regular base card. It's not SPed or an insert.

Arthur

[Cards and 401K]

yes found a few of Ohtanis #700's during my 2018 wax buying sprees...

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by diz07

His Heritage #17 card is his first Topps card and a short print (#17 is Zach Davies in base checklist) so it was the chase card and the price was really high. This is totally different from Acuna/Soto's cases as they don't have card in 2018 heritage. When they appeared in 2018 heritage high number, it was just another rookie card for them.

There are also people saying his 2017 Bowman mega box refractor is his true rookie because it was his first US card. You can find arguments for 2018 S2 (first flagship), or 2018 Update (S2 was just an insert, first flagship base). In this case you can also find a case for his 2013 BBM rookie card. I don't think there is a general rule because every player's case is unique.

The only thing matters is the price of the card. As of now, his 2017 Bowman mega box PSA 10 is selling for $350 and 2018 Heritage #17 PSA 10 is selling for $450. Both substantially higher than his S2 PSA 10($130) or Update PSA 10($140). I don't think this is driven by what is his true rookie, rather by population difference. And I think the price difference should be even higher based on the pop diff, but that's just my opinion.

Btw, a lot of people, especially new Ohtani collectors are still unaware of the difference between his heritage #17 and his #600 from heritage high number. For example, there is also a #600 heritage action variation rookie, but that's only a $220 card for PSA 10.

I think one of the bigger cases for his #17 RC is that it's the same image as the ROA, which was the ultimate chase card. And to your point, it is not the derivative of any other card. The PR on it is probably in the 2-3K range.

At one point a PSA 10 #17 was $1K, so the ceiling on it remains higher than any other non-parallel card. There are many things uncertain in the card world, but the relevancy of that card isn't one of them. Hope you stocked up!

[Tim]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I think one of the bigger cases for his #17 RC is that it's the same image as the ROA, which was the ultimate chase card. And to your point, it is not the derivative of any other card. The PR on it is probably in the 2-3K range.

Heritage mathematicians in the Heritage thread came up with 1500 copies of the low action.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by Tim

Heritage mathematicians in the Heritage thread came up with 1500 copies of the low action.

Dang, lower than 698 bat down. That's pretty cool. Thanks for the context!

[kabrune2]

Look, I love Heritage, it's one of the items I love to break, but Heritage will NEVER be the RC that defines a player or be the most sought after. It will always be a Flagship Paper or Chrome, period, full stop. Now whether someone wants a S1 vs Update (in the case of Grisham or Arozarena because of the jersey), or Bat Down vs Update (in the case of Acuna), or Paper vs Chrome (in the case of Tatis/Vlad), the card 'to have' will always come out of Flagship.

[dashcol]

Originally Posted by kabrune2

Look, I love Heritage, it's one of the items I love to break, but Heritage will NEVER be the RC that defines a player or be the most sought after. It will always be a Flagship Paper or Chrome, period, full stop. Now whether someone wants a S1 vs Update (in the case of Grisham or Arozarena because of the jersey), or Bat Down vs Update (in the case of Acuna), or Paper vs Chrome (in the case of Tatis/Vlad), the card 'to have' will always come out of Flagship.

This argument for flagship may be true in modern, but there are a lot of examples where flagship is not the must have RC for a player.

- 1990 Leaf Frank Thomas (an argument could be made for NNOF, but that is an error, not a RC)
- 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey Jr
- 1991 Upper Deck First Edition Pedro Martinez
- 2012 Archives Bryce Harper

That’s just off the top of my head.

Ohtani’s Series 1 #700 and TC #150 will always sell more as there are way more of them available, but the Heritage low will most likely command more as they don’t come up for sale as often.

[moosetequila]

I'm lucky, still have his Mega BGS 9.5 TG, #700 Gold PSA 10 and his H#17 PSA 10. Also his OD Blue foil PSA 10.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by kabrune2

Look, I love Heritage, it's one of the items I love to break, but Heritage will NEVER be the RC that defines a player or be the most sought after. It will always be a Flagship Paper or Chrome, period, full stop. Now whether someone wants a S1 vs Update (in the case of Grisham or Arozarena because of the jersey), or Bat Down vs Update (in the case of Acuna), or Paper vs Chrome (in the case of Tatis/Vlad), the card 'to have' will always come out of Flagship.

I own a ton of each Ohtani RCs (Flagship, chrome, Heritage) so monetarily speaking, I have no incentive to pump one or the other. That said, I do think your definitive statement of "NEVER" is a bit shortsighted.

It's a PR of ~1.5K with zero parallels versus a 250-500K PR plus parallels for each flagship/chrome set. At the end of the day, flagship may be the preferred set, but there are so many reasons (including current prices and PR) that the Heritage 17 will win out.

[kabrune2]

Originally Posted by dashcol

This argument for flagship may be true in modern, but there are a lot of examples where flagship is not the must have RC for a player.

- 1990 Leaf Frank Thomas (an argument could be made for NNOF, but that is an error, not a RC)
- 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey Jr
- 1991 Upper Deck First Edition Pedro Martinez
- 2012 Archives Bryce Harper

That’s just off the top of my head.

Ohtani’s Series 1 #700 and TC #150 will always sell more as there are way more of them available, but the Heritage low will most likely command more as they don’t come up for sale as often.

In a world where MLB hands out multiple MLB licenses then above will happen again, I was probably too vague with my statement, it was meant to refer to the current modern/ultra-modern climate where Topps has the only MLB license. I hope one day UD and/or another company gets a license to challenge Topps, having competing companies pushes the other to be better.

[kabrune2]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I own a ton of each Ohtani RCs (Flagship, chrome, Heritage) so monetarily speaking, I have no incentive to pump one or the other. That said, I do think your definitive statement of "NEVER" is a bit shortsighted.

It's a PR of ~1.5K with zero parallels versus a 250-500K PR plus parallels for each flagship/chrome set. At the end of the day, flagship may be the preferred set, but there are so many reasons (including current prices and PR) that the Heritage 17 will win out.

I've been collecting for a while and one thing I've noticed is that Print Run doesn't rule the day on popularity, 1500 print run with no parallels might command a higher price as it should, but the overall print run of #700 or Chrome will be more attainable and thus always have more interested parties bidding on them whereas the Ohtani Action will only attract a fraction of the bidders because the masses can't afford it. When I think of 'the RC' to have I think what RC does everyone want 1 of in their collection, and in most cases it's some version of the Flagship Paper or Chrome because the lower Print Run variations and/or non-Flagship releases might be out of reach monetarily.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by kabrune2

I've been collecting for a while and one thing I've noticed is that Print Run doesn't rule the day on popularity, 1500 print run with no parallels might command a higher price as it should, but the overall print run of #700 or Chrome will be more attainable and thus always have more interested parties bidding on them whereas the Ohtani Action will only attract a fraction of the bidders because the masses can't afford it. When I think of 'the RC' to have I think what RC does everyone want 1 of in their collection, and in most cases it's some version of the Flagship Paper or Chrome because the lower Print Run variations and/or non-Flagship releases might be out of reach monetarily.

I think there is are three factors here and we're talking about different things:

1) Price
2) Popularity, most commonly bought
3) Pedigree

If what you're referring to is solely 2), then sure, I won't fight you on it.

[imbluestreak23]

I love Shohei. Easily my favorite player in baseball right now. He’s capturing my attention like Judge Aaron did in 17’

[Trueblue]

Speaking of unpopular RC options, here is one of my favorite odd balls. The extended mini #352 Ohtani, only found in A&G rip cards. PR was 50 - I bought every single one for like two years!

[Chris P]

Excited to add this to the collection..I know Waves aren't popular but $77 for a Rookie Cup Gold Wave seemed good to me

[Trueblue]

Ohtani Jack! Change up golfed out!!

[Vdm2018]

Nice homerun