Right now, where do you rank Lebron all time?

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by jr24ai3

He had Wade and Bosh around him for 4 years and only won twice.

He had Kyrie and Love last year and only won once.

Kyrie put up multiple 40 point playoff games
Love put up plenty 20-10s and even a couple 30-10s

I don’t know what stat lines this lunatic thinks Scottie or Horace was giving Michael but I bet it wasn’t that much.

[Noah]

Originally Posted by pgisback

And that's why he's GOAT. If your expectations are so high of him that you expect him to do more than he did last night... it makes him GOAT by a landslide. Because no other player in history has been expected to do more for a team in order to win a game.

My expectations is for him to get his all star teammates involved in the game and quit worrying about his meaningless stats. Pick a position you want to play and play it, quit trying to play hero ball and rack up your stat line while forcing your teammates out of position

Every time Iverson stepped on the court his expectations were to have 50 or lose. Not one soul expects lebron to put up 50 a night. 30 yes I expect 30 from him

Every sports show for the past week said Kevin love, korver, Smith, hill somebody needs to step up and average 20 and help lebron

Expectations are on role players not lebron but lebron won’t let his teammates meet expectations

So that makes lebrons role players goats I guess, right?

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jr24ai3

He had Wade and Bosh around him for 4 years and only won twice.

I’m talking about his play the last 3 years. MJ was GOAT his Miami days. Lebron figures out he was Neo 3 years ago

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by pgisback

And that's why he's GOAT. If your expectations are so high of him that you expect him to do more than he did last night... it makes him GOAT by a landslide. Because no other player in history has been expected to do more for a team in order to win a game.

Having expectations does not make you the GOAT. Meeting and exceeding those expectations does.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by Noah

My expectations is for him to get his all star teammates involved in the game and quit worrying about his meaningless stats. Pick a position you want to play and play it, quit trying to play hero ball and rack up your stat line while forcing your teammates out of position

Every time Iverson stepped on the court his expectations were to have 50 or lose. Not one soul expects lebron to put up 50 a night. 30 yes I expect 30 from him

Every sports show for the past week said Kevin love, korver, Smith, hill somebody needs to step up and average 20 and help lebron

Expectations are on role players not lebron but lebron won’t let his teammates meet expectations

So that makes lebrons role players goats I guess, right?

Hahaha, his teammates took 67 shots. How much more involved does he need to get? Hold their hands and shoot the ball for them?

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jr24ai3

Having expectations does not make you the GOAT. Meeting and exceeding those expectations does.

Exactly! And if Lebron didn’t meet your expectations last night, he’s GOAT by a landslide.

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I’m talking about his play the last 3 years. MJ was GOAT his Miami days. Lebron figures out he was Neo 3 years ago

What is Neo?

[Noah]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Exactly! And if Lebron didn’t meet your expectations last night, he’s GOAT by a landslide.

Lmao... your funny

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Exactly! And if Lebron didn’t meet your expectations last night, he’s GOAT by a landslide.

So your expectation was 0-4 in OT?

[nepatsfan12dt]

Originally Posted by Noah

My expectations is for him to get his all star teammates involved in the game and quit worrying about his meaningless stats. Pick a position you want to play and play it, quit trying to play hero ball and rack up your stat line while forcing your teammates out of position

Every time Iverson stepped on the court his expectations were to have 50 or lose. Not one soul expects lebron to put up 50 a night. 30 yes I expect 30 from him

Every sports show for the past week said Kevin love, korver, Smith, hill somebody needs to step up and average 20 and help lebron

Expectations are on role players not lebron but lebron won’t let his teammates meet expectations

So that makes lebrons role players goats I guess, right?

Then you get others who say Lebron should have taken the last shot instead of making a pass to what would be an open layup if Hill wasnt fouled. He could have tossed up a shot but he made the right play and people are bashing him for not taking the last shot.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jr24ai3

So your expectation was 0-4 in OT?

No, 30/8/8 is about my expectations and the Cavs losing by double digits in regulation

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by pgisback

No, 30/8/8 is about my expectations and the Cavs losing by double digits in regulation

Your expectations for the "GOAT" was to lose by 10+? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[jr24ai3]

GOATs don't get locked down by Javale McGee

[Noah]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Hahaha, his teammates took 67 shots. How much more involved does he need to get? Hold their hands and shoot the ball for them?

Quality shots or defended shots out of their natural position because lebron brings the offense to stand still and forces his teammates to run around looking for that perfect pass lebron wants to make instead of letting a Tristan Thompson or k love just post up with 18 seconds on the clock. His teammates catch the ball and are expected to create with less than 10 on the clock. No pick and rolls for korver

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jr24ai3

Your expectations for the "GOAT" was to lose by 10+? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

For sure. It’s a team sport. Cavs are greatly outmatched.

[BostonNut]

GOATS put up the stats AND win.

Thought that went without saying.

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by pgisback

For sure. It’s a team sport. Cavs are greatly outmatched.

This sums it up. Lebron loses, it's a team sport. Lebron wins, he won despite his team.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by Noah

Quality shots or defended shots out of their natural position because lebron brings the offense to stand still and forces his teammates to run around looking for that perfect pass lebron wants to make instead of letting a Tristan Thompson or k love just post up with 18 seconds on the clock. His teammates catch the ball and are expected to create with less than 10 on the clock. No pick and rolls for korver

That’s why he’s goat. At no point was MJ responsible for coaching the Bulls and holding his teammates hands to perform. Your guys expectations of Lebron make him a bigger GOAT than I even have him.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jr24ai3

This sums it up. Lebron loses, it's a team sport. Lebron wins, he's the greatest.

Well that’s the truth of it. Not sure how you don’t get that it’s a team sport.

[csrockerzero]

Originally Posted by pgisback

That’s why he’s goat. At no point was MJ responsible for coaching the Bulls and holding his teammates hands to perform. Your guys expectations of Lebron make him a bigger GOAT than I even have him.

You should do some reading on MJ during Bulls practice if you truly believe that...

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Well that’s the truth of it. Not sure how you don’t get that it’s a team sport.

You blame the team when he loses. You give him all the credit if they win. That's not a team mentality.

[BostonNut]

MJ = Brady and Jeter

Bron Bron = Ted Williams and Peyton

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by csrockerzero

You should do some reading on MJ during Bulls practice if you truly believe that...

Exactly. He pushed his teammates to get better in practice. I truly believe Pippen would not have been as good as he was without Jordan pushing him in practice.

[Noah]

Originally Posted by pgisback

That’s why he’s goat. At no point was MJ responsible for coaching the Bulls and holding his teammates hands to perform. Your guys expectations of Lebron make him a bigger GOAT than I even have him.

He wanted to be coach, he keeps coaching himself to finals losses. Jordan was coachable and won, lebron rather have those meaningless stats that get washed away with loses

Lebron is the teammate killer which is why kyrie walked away

[Frog]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

He had Kyrie and Love last year and only won once.

Kyrie put up multiple 40 point playoff games
Love put up plenty 20-10s and even a couple 30-10s

I don’t know what stat lines this lunatic thinks Scottie or Horace was giving Michael but I bet it wasn’t that much.

Because there's context. Did you take defense into account? Did you take competition into account? You can't just say "Oh LeBron's teammates put up good stats" especially when you look at the finals competition. Didn't Love average 8 and 6 in the finals?