✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Troutstanding]

Thank you to anybody and everybody who took the time to read my question. I 100% believe that the Ohtani base cards will reach their absolute MAX during this coming week (but then again, what if he does the same thing next year, what is the MAX?) He's on pace for a possible 14 WAR Season.
I just compiled a spreadsheet putting in the most recent comps as PSA 9's and PSA 10's. On all of the cards mentioned at 9's these cards come out to almost $4K. At 10's, they actually comp out at 15K.
Someone mentioned that he could buy them on ebay (that takes time and energy), of course, he could do that. This way, he's actually seeing all of the cards. He's got a lot of money, and I do think that spending $5500 is too much...but then I go on ebay and see thishttps://www.ebay.com/itm/39470668333...Bk9SR7qr0cmjYg

[Ra3]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Little Khal, there is a PSA 10 TC Red sitting on Ebay for 120k OBO. A regular Red Sapphire is worth far less than that card.

Is a tc regular red really much better than a tc red sapphire?

I get that one is /5 vs /10 but I feel like the sapphire look is generally considered more attractive and high-end…and we’ve already discussed that sapphire set as being a special set…why would those prices be so different?

I for one wouldn’t be so surprised if the sapphire sold for more

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

Thank you to anybody and everybody who took the time to read my question. I 100% believe that the Ohtani base cards will reach their absolute MAX during this coming week (but then again, what if he does the same thing next year, what is the MAX?) He's on pace for a possible 14 WAR Season.
I just compiled a spreadsheet putting in the most recent comps as PSA 9's and PSA 10's. On all of the cards mentioned at 9's these cards come out to almost $4K. At 10's, they actually comp out at 15K.
Someone mentioned that he could buy them on ebay (that takes time and energy), of course, he could do that. This way, he's actually seeing all of the cards. He's got a lot of money, and I do think that spending $5500 is too much...but then I go on ebay and see thishttps://www.ebay.com/itm/39470668333...Bk9SR7qr0cmjYg

But you have raw cards. IMHO you have to price them as raw (essentially assume PSA 8).

Otherwise, get them graded and then comp them once you have them back in hand in slabs.

If you find a buyer willing to pay PSA 10 prices, or even 9, jump on it now.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

Thank you to anybody and everybody who took the time to read my question. I 100% believe that the Ohtani base cards will reach their absolute MAX during this coming week (but then again, what if he does the same thing next year, what is the MAX?) He's on pace for a possible 14 WAR Season.
I just compiled a spreadsheet putting in the most recent comps as PSA 9's and PSA 10's. On all of the cards mentioned at 9's these cards come out to almost $4K. At 10's, they actually comp out at 15K.
Someone mentioned that he could buy them on ebay (that takes time and energy), of course, he could do that. This way, he's actually seeing all of the cards. He's got a lot of money, and I do think that spending $5500 is too much...but then I go on ebay and see thishttps://www.ebay.com/itm/39470668333...Bk9SR7qr0cmjYg

Again, you're comping raw cards against graded cards. That's not how it works. How much are they raw?

If you really think you can get 80% gem and they are worth $15k if they come back 10's, just send them in yourself and get 12k for them.

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

Thank you to anybody and everybody who took the time to read my question. I 100% believe that the Ohtani base cards will reach their absolute MAX during this coming week (but then again, what if he does the same thing next year, what is the MAX?) He's on pace for a possible 14 WAR Season.
I just compiled a spreadsheet putting in the most recent comps as PSA 9's and PSA 10's. On all of the cards mentioned at 9's these cards come out to almost $4K. At 10's, they actually comp out at 15K.
Someone mentioned that he could buy them on ebay (that takes time and energy), of course, he could do that. This way, he's actually seeing all of the cards. He's got a lot of money, and I do think that spending $5500 is too much...but then I go on ebay and see thishttps://www.ebay.com/itm/39470668333...Bk9SR7qr0cmjYg

Aside from you thinking you can get graded prices for raw cards, your comp research is questionable. The link above is an obvious shill job, as there are multiple copies available for BIN for $275-325.

Quick lookover that list, and I'd say $1800 is reasonable.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Ra3

Is a tc regular red really much better than a tc red sapphire?

I get that one is /5 vs /10 but I feel like the sapphire look is generally considered more attractive and high-end…and we’ve already discussed that sapphire set as being a special set…why would those prices be so different?

I for one wouldn’t be so surprised if the sapphire sold for more

The TC Red on Ebay is a PSA 10. I wasn't asking about a PSA 10 Sapphire. Pre-2023, Ohtani's TC Red had been valued higher than a Red Sapphire. I doubt that has changed today, especially as Sapphire used to be "hotter" as a set, but I don't think the gap would be that big. Maybe 20%? Others in this thread, not Little Khal, would have a better answer

[Neal]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

The promise of “it will only go up” but “I’m selling right now”. Lol


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[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by BonVoyage

Hard to see this Angels team making a playoff run (sorry Angels fans). His Free Agency this offseason does make me wonder if the news of bidding war / giant contract + new team's fans buying him will mean no offseason dip in prices.



He just had what was probably the best month ever in MLB, hard to see how he doesn't have some drop in performance.

Let’s say his fall off is 10-12 HRs, he will have 40-42 HR’s going into August. Could he hit 20 more in the last two months. It is just going to be fun to watch. If only Judge had not gotten hurt, we could possibly see a Big Mac/Sosa situation without the ‘roids

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by BonVoyage

Hard to see this Angels team making a playoff run (sorry Angels fans). His Free Agency this offseason does make me wonder if the news of bidding war / giant contract + new team's fans buying him will mean no offseason dip in prices.



He just had what was probably the best month ever in MLB, hard to see how he doesn't have some drop in performance.

Originally Posted by BBases31

They jumped on the Ohtani bandwagon the first MVP year. Do you see the prices that Panini stuff commands?

I have not because Panini baseball is a non-factor for me.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

Thank you to anybody and everybody who took the time to read my question. I 100% believe that the Ohtani base cards will reach their absolute MAX during this coming week (but then again, what if he does the same thing next year, what is the MAX?) He's on pace for a possible 14 WAR Season.
I just compiled a spreadsheet putting in the most recent comps as PSA 9's and PSA 10's. On all of the cards mentioned at 9's these cards come out to almost $4K. At 10's, they actually comp out at 15K.
Someone mentioned that he could buy them on ebay (that takes time and energy), of course, he could do that. This way, he's actually seeing all of the cards. He's got a lot of money, and I do think that spending $5500 is too much...but then I go on ebay and see thishttps://www.ebay.com/itm/39470668333...Bk9SR7qr0cmjYg

Nobody is paying graded prices for raw cards, especially mass produced bass.

If you need $5,500, find out how to get it a different way. Selling your lot won't achieve that. Please recognize that as a reality and move on.

[ThoseBackPages]

ive mentioned this before, but MLB changed a rule because of Ohtani

i will repeat that for those in the back...

MLB CHANGED A RULE OF THE GAME BECAUSE of Ohtani.

go look it up

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Nobody is paying graded prices for raw cards, especially mass produced bass.

If you need $5,500, find out how to get it a different way. Selling your lot won't achieve that. Please recognize that as a reality and move on.

It is amazing to me that people think graded prices and raw prices are the same. If he thinks he can get an 80% gem rate, send them to PSA AND reap even bigger profits when they come back in 1 month

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Tim

It's not too late.

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

never too late to collect!

True.

But the good stuff is priced high and there's a lot of Ohtani RC stuff, numbered included.

I don't mind waiting a decade or two and picking up what I want at a lower price.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

True.

But the good stuff is priced high and there's a lot of Ohtani RC stuff, numbered included.

I don't mind waiting a decade or two and picking up what I want at a lower price.

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

True.

But the good stuff is priced high and there's a lot of Ohtani RC stuff, numbered included.

I don't mind waiting a decade or two and picking up what I want at a lower price.

wait, that's not how FOMO works!

but seriously, the rare and low numbered cards from 2018/2019 may never be lower than now.

don't get me wrong, I believe there's usually if not always buying opportunities later, depending on what you want.

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

Thank you to anybody and everybody who took the time to read my question. I 100% believe that the Ohtani base cards will reach their absolute MAX during this coming week (but then again, what if he does the same thing next year, what is the MAX?) He's on pace for a possible 14 WAR Season.
I just compiled a spreadsheet putting in the most recent comps as PSA 9's and PSA 10's. On all of the cards mentioned at 9's these cards come out to almost $4K. At 10's, they actually comp out at 15K.
Someone mentioned that he could buy them on ebay (that takes time and energy), of course, he could do that. This way, he's actually seeing all of the cards. He's got a lot of money, and I do think that spending $5500 is too much...but then I go on ebay and see thishttps://www.ebay.com/itm/39470668333...Bk9SR7qr0cmjYg

I don't blame you for wanting to get as much value out of the cards as possible. As others are saying - you need to grade them yourself. Trying to max out value for ungraded cards is just really tough transactionally when you obviously think they will gem at a high rate. Spend the money, take the time, and get those PSA 10s.

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[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

wait, that's not how FOMO works!

but seriously, the rare and low numbered cards from 2018/2019 may never be lower than now.

don't get me wrong, I believe there's usually if not always buying opportunities later, depending on what you want.

There's A LOT of numbered Ohtani RC so I'm not worried.

And I wouldn't target anything numbered to 25 or less, the opportunity (for me) has passed on such cards long ago. Way too risky for me to jump on such cards even if a short-term opportunity might still be present.

I'd be looking to buy for the PC too.

[Qubits]

Some times FOMO works in your favor. Like when I picked up the #700 camo, indy, blue and pink all in PSA 9 this last off season.

Wish I had hunted harder for a black tbh. At this point I'm likely priced out of that card.

[sportscardsnow]

I am going to be selling this card which graded a PSA 7 back in 2021 (I am guessing because of surface printing marks). It was on ebay a year or so ago with no luck. Do you think it would be worth a crack and resub? If selling would you send to an auction house at this point? Thanks Joe

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by sportscardsnow

I am going to be selling this card which graded a PSA 7 back in 2021 (I am guessing because of surface printing marks). It was on ebay a year or so ago with no luck. Do you think it would be worth a crack and resub? If selling would you send to an auction house at this point? Thanks Joe

Non-chrome stuff like this that baseball collectors love but doesn't appeal as much to a wider non-baseball audience does better on Ebay than at Goldin. The last S2 clear that was at Goldin went for at least 30% less than it would've done on Ebay.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by sportscardsnow

I am going to be selling this card which graded a PSA 7 back in 2021 (I am guessing because of surface printing marks). It was on ebay a year or so ago with no luck. Do you think it would be worth a crack and resub? If selling would you send to an auction house at this point? Thanks Joe

Even if you crack it and get a PSA 8, they will upcharge you to the moon. Likely $600 fee. On top of that, there's no guarantee it sells better than a 7. Clears are really tough and if they gave it a 7, there's probably some pretty deep scratches.

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

There's A LOT of numbered Ohtani RC so I'm not worried.

And I wouldn't target anything numbered to 25 or less, the opportunity (for me) has passed on such cards long ago. Way too risky for me to jump on such cards even if a short-term opportunity might still be present.

I'd be looking to buy for the PC too.

Makes sense. But again depends on what you want. If targeting 2018 S2 700 for example, that might be tough, but if the set doesn't matter as much then totally makes sense.

[TGCollector]

Originally Posted by Ra3

Is a tc regular red really much better than a tc red sapphire?

I get that one is /5 vs /10 but I feel like the sapphire look is generally considered more attractive and high-end…and we’ve already discussed that sapphire set as being a special set…why would those prices be so different?

I for one wouldn’t be so surprised if the sapphire sold for more

Do we have an actual # count on the TC Red? Because I know some were mistakenly #'d to 25. Last time I checked there was more than 5 graded if you look at PSA & BGS, but possible cracks and resubmissions.

[msucollector4]

Originally Posted by sportscardsnow

I am going to be selling this card which graded a PSA 7 back in 2021 (I am guessing because of surface printing marks). It was on ebay a year or so ago with no luck. Do you think it would be worth a crack and resub? If selling would you send to an auction house at this point? Thanks Joe

With a card that low numbered, I doubt the grade dif between a 7 and 8 will be worth the trouble

[ThoseBackPages]

what a CLEAR!

leave it as is

HODL