✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Troutstanding]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

Not enough information for that price.

Thank you so much for responding to my question. Below is the list:

All 2018 Cards:

2 Topps Chrome #150
1 Topps Chrome Freshman Flash #FF1
3 Topps Chrome 1983 #83T-6
1 Topps Update International Affair #IA-SO
5 Bowman #49
5 Topps Chrome Update #HMT32
1 Topps Chrome Update #HMT1
6 Bowman Platinum #34
1 Bowman Platinum #34 blue parallel /150
1 Bowman Platinum #34 Ice parallel
3 Topps Update #US1
3 Topps Update #US285
1 Topps Update #83-2
3 Topps Update Ohtani & Ichiro #US153
1 Topps Update Upton, Ohtani, & Trout #US158
1 Panini Donruss Optic (running) Bronze #56
1 Panini Donruss Optic (running) Red & Yellow #56
1 Topps Allen & Ginter #100
3 Topps Archives #50
1 Topps Archives Halos Heroes #303

2019 Cards:
5 2019 Topps Chrome 1984 #84TC25
2 2019 Topps Chrome Greatness Returns Ryan & Ohtani #GR3

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by msucollector4

I mean it took 100+ years to see one like him after Ruth

Exactly. I don't know the intricacies of baseball player development, but it seems like most players growing up are all incredible hitters in high school/college. But the ones who show great ability for pitching tend to get pushed/developed for the mound.

So how great do you have to be at hitting and pitching for a coach/scout to commit to your development in both areas?

I'd think after seeing Ohtani these last few years, there are plenty of kids who want to do both. But will baseball's development program allow for such outside the box thinking?

[AJBU]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

Thank you so much for responding to my question. Below is the list:

All 2018 Cards:

2 Topps Chrome #150
1 Topps Chrome Freshman Flash #FF1
3 Topps Chrome 1983 #83T-6
1 Topps Update International Affair #IA-SO
5 Bowman #49
5 Topps Chrome Update #HMT32
1 Topps Chrome Update #HMT1
6 Bowman Platinum #34
1 Bowman Platinum #34 blue parallel /150
1 Bowman Platinum #34 Ice parallel
3 Topps Update #US1
3 Topps Update #US285
1 Topps Update #83-2
3 Topps Update Ohtani & Ichiro #US153
1 Topps Update Upton, Ohtani, & Trout #US158
1 Panini Donruss Optic (running) Bronze #56
1 Panini Donruss Optic (running) Red & Yellow #56
1 Topps Allen & Ginter #100
3 Topps Archives #50
1 Topps Archives Halos Heroes #303

2019 Cards:
5 2019 Topps Chrome 1984 #84TC25
2 2019 Topps Chrome Greatness Returns Ryan & Ohtani #GR3

Also 2018 Topps LA Angels Team Set #A-17

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

Thank you so much for responding to my question. Below is the list:

All 2018 Cards:

2 Topps Chrome #150
1 Topps Chrome Freshman Flash #FF1
3 Topps Chrome 1983 #83T-6
1 Topps Update International Affair #IA-SO
5 Bowman #49
5 Topps Chrome Update #HMT32
1 Topps Chrome Update #HMT1
6 Bowman Platinum #34
1 Bowman Platinum #34 blue parallel /150
1 Bowman Platinum #34 Ice parallel
3 Topps Update #US1
3 Topps Update #US285
1 Topps Update #83-2
3 Topps Update Ohtani & Ichiro #US153
1 Topps Update Upton, Ohtani, & Trout #US158
1 Panini Donruss Optic (running) Bronze #56
1 Panini Donruss Optic (running) Red & Yellow #56
1 Topps Allen & Ginter #100
3 Topps Archives #50
1 Topps Archives Halos Heroes #303

2019 Cards:
5 2019 Topps Chrome 1984 #84TC25
2 2019 Topps Chrome Greatness Returns Ryan & Ohtani #GR3

maybe I'm missing something, but $5500 seems way high for this lot.

[msucollector4]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Exactly. I don't know the intricacies of baseball player development, but it seems like most players growing up are all incredible hitters in high school/college. But the ones who show great ability for pitching tend to get pushed/developed for the mound.

So how great do you have to be at hitting and pitching for a coach/scout to commit to your development in both areas?

I'd think after seeing Ohtani these last few years, there are plenty of kids who want to do both. But will baseball's development program allow for such outside the box thinking?

It really wont allow that IMO. And the thing about Ohtani is that if he decides to focus on one after a few more years he will be in the Top 5 of either one he choses. He is truly a unicorn

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by AJBU

Also 2018 Topps LA Angels Team Set #A-17

burner? lol

[Boo]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

burner? lol

LOL, nice!

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

Thank you so much for responding to my question. Below is the list:

All 2018 Cards:

2 Topps Chrome #150
1 Topps Chrome Freshman Flash #FF1
3 Topps Chrome 1983 #83T-6
1 Topps Update International Affair #IA-SO
5 Bowman #49
5 Topps Chrome Update #HMT32
1 Topps Chrome Update #HMT1
6 Bowman Platinum #34
1 Bowman Platinum #34 blue parallel /150
1 Bowman Platinum #34 Ice parallel
3 Topps Update #US1
3 Topps Update #US285
1 Topps Update #83-2
3 Topps Update Ohtani & Ichiro #US153
1 Topps Update Upton, Ohtani, & Trout #US158
1 Panini Donruss Optic (running) Bronze #56
1 Panini Donruss Optic (running) Red & Yellow #56
1 Topps Allen & Ginter #100
3 Topps Archives #50
1 Topps Archives Halos Heroes #303

2019 Cards:
5 2019 Topps Chrome 1984 #84TC25
2 2019 Topps Chrome Greatness Returns Ryan & Ohtani #GR3

Originally Posted by AJBU

Also 2018 Topps LA Angels Team Set #A-17

[Vdm2018]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Exactly. I don't know the intricacies of baseball player development, but it seems like most players growing up are all incredible hitters in high school/college. But the ones who show great ability for pitching tend to get pushed/developed for the mound.

So how great do you have to be at hitting and pitching for a coach/scout to commit to your development in both areas?

I'd think after seeing Ohtani these last few years, there are plenty of kids who want to do both. But will baseball's development program allow for such outside the box thinking?

Highly doubt there would be another 2 ways player in the near future or probably never.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

maybe I'm missing something, but $5500 seems way high for this lot.

Yeah, seems like he's assuming some grades in there.
If that's the case, I rather buy the raw cards on ebay for less than half the price.

[AJBU]

Originally Posted by Boo

haha, nevermind. I could use some coffee

[Troutstanding]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

maybe I'm missing something, but $5500 seems way high for this lot.

This is exactly why i'm asking for help. I don't know what to ask. I've done the work of prepping and cleaning these cards for submission. A friend wanted to see what I was submitting, and I showed him the Ohtanis. In looking at comps of slabbed cards, which I know these are not, but like I said earlier I feel comfortable stating that I have about an 80% gem rate.

[Qubits]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

This is exactly why i'm asking for help. I don't know what to ask. I've done the work of prepping and cleaning these cards for submission. A friend wanted to see what I was submitting, and I showed him the Ohtanis. In looking at comps of slabbed cards, which I know these are not, but like I said earlier I feel comfortable stating that I have about an 80% gem rate.

"Cleaning" huh? Interesting.

[msucollector4]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

This is exactly why i'm asking for help. I don't know what to ask. I've done the work of prepping and cleaning these cards for submission. A friend wanted to see what I was submitting, and I showed him the Ohtanis. In looking at comps of slabbed cards, which I know these are not, but like I said earlier I feel comfortable stating that I have about an 80% gem rate.

80% gem rate??? sheesh

[BonVoyage]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Offseason contract will likely propel prices higher depending on how it correlates with ST start.

The comparison being Mahomes, after SB #1, there was marginal price increases with a slow rise through July until he signed his big contract which spiked prices even higher going into the preseason.

Different timing in 2023 but rare will continue to be gobbled up pushing prices higher.

Hard to see this Angels team making a playoff run (sorry Angels fans). His Free Agency this offseason does make me wonder if the news of bidding war / giant contract + new team's fans buying him will mean no offseason dip in prices.

Originally Posted by Asian62150

99% he's not going to replicate his June numbers for the rest of the season.

This is baseball and he's playing against other professional athletes.

But we should all enjoy the ride while it lasts.

Long term, we will probably not see another player like him in our lifetimes. How many other players/prospects are even being developed as two-way players?

He just had what was probably the best month ever in MLB, hard to see how he doesn't have some drop in performance.

[Erick]

I’m only replying because you asked for opinions. The problem with your $5,500 price is you’re not only assuming these will be 10’s but you’re forgetting the cost of actually getting them graded. So this potential buyer is paying for them as if they’re graded and then they’re going to have to pay to actually get them graded.

Tbh I can’t help with the price because I’m don’t know enough about cards to feel like my opinion matters, but I definitely agree that $5,500 is too high.

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

This is exactly why i'm asking for help. I don't know what to ask. I've done the work of prepping and cleaning these cards for submission. A friend wanted to see what I was submitting, and I showed him the Ohtanis. In looking at comps of slabbed cards, which I know these are not, but like I said earlier I feel comfortable stating that I have about an 80% gem rate.

Just throwing a number out based on eyeballing it, you'd have to run comps to get more accurate pricing...

$1100 for the lot.

[imbluestreak23]

I sent in a creased 2018 Topps Chrome #150.

Can't wait to get it back as a PSA 4!

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Offseason contract will likely propel prices higher depending on how it correlates with ST start.

The comparison being Mahomes, after SB #1, there was marginal price increases with a slow rise through July until he signed his big contract which spiked prices even higher going into the preseason.

Different timing in 2023 but rare will continue to be gobbled up pushing prices higher.

Unless the Angels somehow win the World Series or he breaks the home run record then I don't see this happening. Everything else is already priced in. We are at the peak and if you factor in the current market and his prices it's in no way sustainable.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Unless the Angels somehow win the World Series or he breaks the home run record then I don't see this happening. Everything else is already priced in. We are at the peak and if you factor in the current market and his prices it's in no way sustainable.

Common stuff yes, I suspect high end keep creeping up during the offseason. A half billion contract will attract a lot more eyeballs, along with being THE name for offseason/preseason hype.

Every sport, every offseason has one guy that is the guy that finished the year prior that is pinned as the guy going into the next offseason who has all of the hype. There won't be another name going into 2024 bigger than Ohtani for the hobby.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Little Khal, that card in a 10 would go for more than a raw or 9 Red Sapphire. You are late to the Ohtani train, I understand

The good news is that I hear we’ll have a comp soon on the Sapphire Red.

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by Troutstanding

This is exactly why i'm asking for help. I don't know what to ask. I've done the work of prepping and cleaning these cards for submission. A friend wanted to see what I was submitting, and I showed him the Ohtanis. In looking at comps of slabbed cards, which I know these are not, but like I said earlier I feel comfortable stating that I have about an 80% gem rate.

I would ask your friend what he is willing to pay, and go from there. Most of your stuff is base or basish which has all gone crazy lately, so it may be smart on your part to cash in before the inevitable downturn and let him grade them. That said, you will have to most likely give him a substantial discount even on say a 60% gem rate and back out the grading costs as well.

Otherwise, just send the cards in for grading a take a chance on how much these will correct. Keep in mind I'm sure there are TONS of your cards in the grading process currently with PSA and those will be available on the market before yours.

If I were in your shoes and I didn't need the cash I'd just send them in to PSA unless your friend is willing to offer $3k or some number that includes much of the PSA 10 bump, as once you get the slabs back you will be in the driver's seat wherever the market currently is, which I'd assume to be maybe 20% lower than current crazy prices.

But who the heck knows!

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[JRX]

Originally Posted by BonVoyage

Hard to see this Angels team making a playoff run (sorry Angels fans). His Free Agency this offseason does make me wonder if the news of bidding war / giant contract + new team's fans buying him will mean no offseason dip in prices.



He just had what was probably the best month ever in MLB, hard to see how he doesn't have some drop in performance.

Yeah I was more referencing his 2nd half in 2021. He went .229/.382/.458 vs .293/.366/.561 last year.

[Vdm2018]

Originally Posted by JRX

Yeah I was more referencing his 2nd half in 2021. He went .229/.382/.458 vs .293/.366/.561 last year.

Probably cuz he was in the homerun derby that probably took a toll on his body back in 2021.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Prices will go higher when the investors in basketball/football realize the best spent money is on Ohtani!

They jumped on the Ohtani bandwagon the first MVP year. Do you see the prices that Panini stuff commands?