2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Says the guy still getting full compensation.

I dont wish anyone ill, but as some of these 'close the country over .002%' start losing their essential jobs, and stop being able to afford luxuries much less necessities...the tune changes.

Saying you don't care about the unemployed struggling is ignorance if not media programming. We were never, I repeat, never, going to stop deaths from happening.

The idea was flatten the curve, that has been done, I'll ask again because no one can answer this.....why have the goal post changed?

This is it.

The first goal was the flatten the curve. It was indeed done.

We now need to start flattening the other curves...like unemployment, unpaid bills, unpaid rent, etc.

Sure, go slow and steady, but get some metrics in place, be reasonable and let's get the world opening.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Businesses cannot survive being shut down for 5 months

Many Economist think the beginning of June is the beginning of the end for most if a full reopen is not happening or very close and honestly that doesnt even look feasible at this point.

3 Months of 30M+ defaulted loans has a huge trickle down effect.
Mix that with the supply chain being caught up and cracking

Anyone left with jobs in late June will be clinging to them.


But....but...but....all those 50-60-200k/ year employees are fine. They get $600 a week extra from uncle sam and can work at McDonalds in the mean time to get by. I'm sure 85 year old pop pop, who had 3 heart surgeries and was living on an air tank in the nursing home really thought......damn I know I had one foot in the grave already, but since I died from what they think is Covid-19, I hope my kids, grandkids and great grandkids lose everything they have.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Says the guy still getting full compensation.

I dont wish anyone ill, but as some of these 'close the country over .002%' start losing their essential jobs, and stop being able to afford luxuries much less necessities...the tune changes.

Saying you don't care about the unemployed struggling is ignorance if not media programming. We were never, I repeat, never, going to stop deaths from happening.

The idea was flatten the curve, that has been done, I'll ask again because no one can answer this.....why have the goal post changed?

You don't know my situation. You are twisting my words into what you THINK I'm trying to say. The government just doesn't want to shell out to protect its people, $1200 is not going to get it done. There need to be larger payments directly to the people during this time, NOT reopening of the economy like nothing is happening. I do care about the unemployed, a lot of those jobs aren't coming back, we need a better social safety net for all those affected by this (which is EVERYONE).

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

You don't know my situation. You are twisting my words into what you THINK I'm trying to say. The government just doesn't want to shell out to protect it's people, $1200 is not going to get it done. There need to be larger payments directly to the people during this time, NOT reopening of the economy like nothing is happening. I do care about the unemployed, a lot of those jobs aren't coming back, we need a better social safety net for all those affected by this (which is EVERYONE).

I know your situation just based off your wording. Its very easy to read. Its easy to also see when your someone posting about buying Pat Mahomes cards daily, so lets not play coy.

Yea, larger payments, more money, more mass debt. What could possibly go wrong there?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

You don't know my situation. You are twisting my words into what you THINK I'm trying to say. The government just doesn't want to shell out to protect its people, $1200 is not going to get it done. There need to be larger payments directly to the people during this time, NOT reopening of the economy like nothing is happening. I do care about the unemployed, a lot of those jobs aren't coming back, we need a better social safety net for all those affected by this (which is EVERYONE).

I don't want the government to pay me money, I want to keep my job. It's that simple.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Many Economist think the beginning of June is the beginning of the end for most if a full reopen is not happening or very close and honestly that doesnt even look feasible at this point.

3 Months of 30M+ defaulted loans has a huge trickle down effect.
Mix that with the supply chain being caught up and cracking

Anyone left with jobs in late June will be clinging to them.


But....but...but....all those 50-60-200k/ year employees are fine. They get $600 a week extra from uncle sam and can work at McDonalds in the mean time to get by. I'm sure 85 year old pop pop, who had 3 heart surgeries and was living on an air tank in the nursing home really thought......damn I know I had one foot in the grave already, but since I died from what they think is Covid-19, I hope my kids, grandkids and great grandkids lose everything they have.

Hope your pop pop wasn't at a nursing home in NY - he'd be getting a Covid-19 roomie courtesy of Uncle Andy of Albany!

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

I know your situation just based off your wording. Its very easy to read. Its easy to also see when your someone posting about buying Pat Mahomes cards daily, so lets not play coy.

Yea, larger payments, more money, more mass debt. What could possibly go wrong there?

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Talk to someone who has met me in person. You're making assumptions about me because I post in a Pat Mahomes thread? Really?

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I don't want the government to pay me money, I want to keep my job. It's that simple.

What if your job wasn't available any more? What if you worked in the restaurant or hospitality business? What if you worked for an airline?

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Talk to someone who has met me in person. You're making assumptions about me because I post in a Pat Mahomes thread? Really?

People without jobs arent buying high end Pat Mahomes cards. Again, very correlative. Stop being so defensive. I know my counter point about you having a full income doesn't suit your, unemployed doesn't matter comment. Take it on the chin, see the other perspective.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Talk to someone who has met me in person. You're making assumptions about me because I post in a Pat Mahomes thread? Really?



What if your job wasn't available any more? What if you worked in the restaurant or hospitality business? What if you worked for an airline?

I work in sports, there's a great chance I don't have a job pretty soon. I already make way less than what unemployment is giving out, due to pay cuts. But, I am glad I have a job and would rather have a job than depend on "free" money.

I don't want to lose my livelihood, risk losing my place, not being able to pay any bills, over a virus that may never affect me.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Answer = economic illiteracy + sheep mentality + media-poisoned mind

Mail in ballots, steal the election.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

People without jobs arent buying high end Pat Mahomes cards. Again, very correlative. Stop being so defensive. I know my counter point about you having a full income doesn't suit your, unemployed doesn't matter comment. Take it on the chin, see the other perspective.

People like you are part of the problem, you are 100% wrong, yet you've convinced yourself that you are right, and instead of accepting the fact you're wrong, you double down on it. I don't point this out to embarrass you, I point it out so you can learn from it. Plus you're twisting words again, I absolutely care about the unemployed, more than you do, I was saying that the unemployed number doesn't matter as much as the sick and dying numbers. We can fix situations for people that are still alive, we can't fix the dead.

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I work in sports, there's a great chance I don't have a job pretty soon. I already make way less than what unemployment is giving out, due to pay cuts. But, I am glad I have a job and would rather have a job than depend on "free" money.

I don't want to lose my livelihood, risk losing my place, not being able to pay any bills, over a virus that may never affect me.

No one wants to lose their livelihood or home. We need to come up with a better solution though than just "Open for business".

[NeedChapmans]

This is too funny.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

No one wants to lose their livelihood or home. We need to come up with a better solution though than just "Open for business".

Why? We've accomplished what we we're suppose to in "wave 1" or whatever we're in.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Talk to someone who has met me in person. You're making assumptions about me because I post in a Pat Mahomes thread? Really?

Oh gee the irony, you called me the unabomber but get all upset when someone does it to you. Typical dim.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Why? We've accomplished what we we're suppose to in "wave 1" or whatever we're in.

We still have 2,000 a day dying in quarantine, do you think that number gets better people leave isolation? And it's not about the death number as much as potentially dealing with the same problem of overwhelming medical staff that caused us to lock down in the first place. We'll just end up in the same position if we don't have a carefully executed plan.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by chezball

Oh gee the irony, you called me the unabomber but get all upset when someone does it to you. Typical dim.

No one called you the unabomber (he was actually a pretty brilliant guy), I simply asked if you had any friends in real life and compared your situation to that of an incel, not the same thing. And I'm not upset at all, I'm just pointing out that people can be wrong when assuming. You might have friends, right?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

People like you are part of the problem, you are 100% wrong, yet you've convinced yourself that you are right, and instead of accepting the fact you're wrong, you double down on it. I don't point this out to embarrass you, I point it out so you can learn from it. Plus you're twisting words again, I absolutely care about the unemployed, more than you do, I was saying that the unemployed number doesn't matter as much as the sick and dying numbers. We can fix situations for people that are still alive, we can't fix the dead.



No one wants to lose their livelihood or home. We need to come up with a better solution though than just "Open for business".

What do you do for living? Are you still working? Have you been hurt financially?

I’m out of work and it has stung a little bit I had some money saved to get through it. $1200 was nice for someone like me. I’m still confused why people who are still working needed stimulus money. That money should go to those in need not some dude still working. But it is what it is. They want to stimulate the economy and not help people pay their bills.

Also, I refuse to collect unemployment. Just feels dirty like the stimulus money.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

No one wants to lose their livelihood or home. We need to come up with a better solution though than just "Open for business".

Empty words. What's the solution, then? Print more money?

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This is too funny.

Priceless example of the mentality of these people.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

We still have 2,000 a day dying in quarantine, do you think that number gets better people leave isolation? And it's not about the death number as much as potentially dealing with the same problem of overwhelming medical staff that caused us to lock down in the first place. We'll just end up in the same position if we don't have a carefully executed plan.

We don't know how many are dying. But 99.5% of hospitals didn't get overwhelmed, and that's with the initial rush where we were normal, filling stadiums up one day and not the next day.

[Soxfanguy]

Wisconsin might reopen. There is a lawsuit about it and the Supreme Court is hearing it


https://www.vox.com/2020/5/5/2124669...gislature-palm

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

We still have 2,000 a day dying in quarantine, do you think that number gets better people leave isolation? And it's not about the death number as much as potentially dealing with the same problem of overwhelming medical staff that caused us to lock down in the first place. We'll just end up in the same position if we don't have a carefully executed plan.

Let me jump in for a second.

Realistically; if you want herd immunity here in the states, from the numbers that I know ... we're talking around 300,000 - 350,000 deaths by the end of the year based on how we classify them from COVID-19.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

People like you are part of the problem, you are 100% wrong, yet you've convinced yourself that you are right, and instead of accepting the fact you're wrong, you double down on it. I don't point this out to embarrass you, I point it out so you can learn from it. Plus you're twisting words again, I absolutely care about the unemployed, more than you do, I was saying that the unemployed number doesn't matter as much as the sick and dying numbers. We can fix situations for people that are still alive, we can't fix the dead.

LOL this is quiet the opposite. You have been caught with your pants down, and now your diverting and back tracking. Sorry bub. I'm not the problem. You trying to tell 30+M people and rising that they are less important then and over reported 60k is ignorant, and embarrassing. Then to back track and say you care when you just alluded to the fact that you didnt is even more so extremely cowardly.

I am tough on people in here, but I have seen you mouth breath through many situations including talking out your toot about the transportation industry in here no less then a week ago.

I don't call this out to embarrass you, I just point this out so you can learn from it.

Go buy another 10k Mahomes card and tell then tell my local bartender why she should be ok with not being able to pay her rent.

Then tell me how you plan to fix that long term.

I'm going to give you a good piece of advice. Its much easier to say, 'yea I was wrong' then to die in that collapsing house you have built for yourself.

[chezball]

This is from Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22G295

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This is too funny.

This would be funny if it wasn't yet another example of an individual from the media or government that purposely disobeys the own set of rules they're preaching.