What’s going on with TAG?

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

This video was posted several days ago, and nobody else has replicated what this guy did.


If you have no plans of ever using TAG, why are you so interested in trolling this thread?

The same reason TAG SHILLS go into every grading thread and put down other companies. Lol.

You are disingenuous to the point of commenting before watching the video. You has your mind made up already. My last post in YOUR thread.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

The same reason TAG SHILLS go into every grading thread and put down other companies. Lol.

You are disingenuous to the point of commenting before watching the video. You has your mind made up already. My last post in YOUR thread.

I watched the video and explained to you what happened guy. I also watched the guy's follow up video, which is 26 minutes of my life I will never get back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoRxGtXBaVI

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

This video was posted several days ago, and nobody else has replicated what this guy did.

If you have no plans of ever using TAG, why are you so interested in trolling this thread?

Nobody?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDosdyE-WnI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_Yk79CxEM

Only video I saw of someone trying to break it, but couldn't, is affiliated with TAG.

https://x.com/dachshundwizard/status...99660080005184

He is working with TAG on a TAG virtual vending machine. Remember when PSA got in hot water for suspected of being affiliated with the Vegas vending machine with their name on it, but made sure their name was off it? Well TAG is allowing these people to have their name on it and allows them to say, "In collaboration with TAG Grading, we bring you…the TAG CLAW! 🕹️"

https://x.com/beezie_io/status/1894465168970817969

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Nobody?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDosdyE-WnI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_Yk79CxEM

Only video I saw of someone trying to break it, but couldn't, is affiliated with TAG.

https://x.com/dachshundwizard/status...99660080005184

He is working with TAG on a TAG virtual vending machine. Remember when PSA got in hot water for suspected of being affiliated with the Vegas vending machine with their name on it, but made sure their name was off it? Well TAG is allowing these people to have their name on it and allows them to say, "In collaboration with TAG Grading, we bring you…the TAG CLAW! ��️"

https://x.com/beezie_io/status/1894465168970817969

The Clearway Collectibles video is good. You should listen to him.

You mentioned the TAG claw already. I'm sure you will mention it again when Pumpkinescobar posts the weekly TAG numbers.....

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

The Clearway Collectibles video is good. You should probably listen to him.

You mentioned the TAG claw already. I'm sure you will mention it again when Pumpkinescobar posts the weekly TAG numbers.....

It got deleted when you went on a day vacation. Wanted to let people know about it.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

It got deleted when you went on a day vacation. Wanted to let people know about it.

Good look, $25 for a TAG Pokemon slab seems like a good deal.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Good look, $25 for a TAG Pokemon slab seems like a good deal.

A $0.50 ungraded card in a slab that you can break with your thumb is a good deal? For $25 there are a lot of great cards I could buy. I guess we all buy slabs these days though, the card inside doesn't matter.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

He cracked 3 that came straight out of the tag bag.
I see you did not watch the video.

Originally Posted by inaka

Then why would TAG say they're designed to break that way on purpose?

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Looks like you believe in TAG being sturdy than the company. They are identical to CGC with one difference. He did not crack it with his hand. I will let you do that because I will not be doing it and that video will go viral in a negative way for TAG.

Originally Posted by discodanman45

A $0.50 ungraded card in a slab that you can break with your thumb is a good deal? For $25 there are a lot of great cards I could buy. I guess we all buy slabs these days though, the card inside doesn't matter.

There isn't a slab from another TPG that can't be cracked one way or another. What does it matter if the TAG slab easily opens?

I am asking.

Not questioning whether it is wrong for TAG's slabs to easily open. Maybe it is. I don't see why though.

[inaka]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

What does it matter if the TAG slab easily opens?

I am asking.

If you're genuinely asking, then one reason to grade cards in the first place isn't just the grade itself and authentication, it's to protect the card from future damage and have a durable protective measure around your card. All of the above.

If TAG says their slabs are designed to shatter as easily as shown in those videos where there was minimal squeezing on the slab and it cracked with ease, that can't be a good thing. Especially when other company slabs don't perform that way at all.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by inaka

If you're genuinely asking, then one reason to grade cards in the first place isn't just the grade itself and authentication, it's to protect the card from future damage and have a durable protective measure around your card. All of the above.

If TAG says their slabs are designed to shatter as easily as shown in those videos where there was minimal squeezing on the slab and it cracked with ease, that can't be a good thing. Especially when other company slabs don't perform that way at all.

You have a TAG slab, go see if it shatters that easily.

All of the slabs can be cracked within minimal effort.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

You have a TAG slab, go see if it shatters that easily.

All of the slabs can be cracked within minimal effort.

The issue is TAG's response. They said the slabs were intended to crack this way according to the original YouTube video. This could have been a bad batch of slabs, and TAG should have responded in a much different matter. There could be some brittle cases out there and TAG should have said they are looking into it.

I can open up SGC slabs very easily, often times with my hands. The dangerous part about how TAG slabs break, is how they shatter. If you crack a TAG slabs, the chance of damaging a card goes way up. This may cause companies like PSA to never allow a TAG crossover service.

I personally would package TAG slabs with any extra bubble wrap sheet when shipping. It doesn't seem like a big issue to me, but TAG definitely needs a better response team to situations like this

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

The issue is TAG's response. They said the slabs were intended to crack this way according to the original YouTube video. This could have been a bad batch of slabs, and TAG should have responded in a much different matter. There could be some brittle cases out there and TAG should have said they are looking into it.

I can open up SGC slabs very easily, often times with my hands. The dangerous part about how TAG slabs break, is how they shatter. If you crack a TAG slabs, the chance of damaging a card goes way up. This may cause companies like PSA to never allow a TAG crossover service.

I personally would package TAG slabs with any extra bubble wrap sheet when shipping. It doesn't seem like a big issue to me, but TAG definitely needs a better response team to situations like this

There was no increased risk of the card being damaged in the relevant videos., if anything it was the opposite.

Not a chance PSA would not do a TAG crossover.


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[aggie4ever]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

There isn't a slab from another TPG that can't be cracked one way or another. What does it matter if the TAG slab easily opens?

Of course you should be able to crack any slab, so you can remove the card from it if you want (and without damaging the card). I don't think you want it to open as easily as these now seem to do. Send one of these slabs through the mail in a bubble mailer, and it seems like there might be a 50/50 chance it breaks open.

And yes, SGC slabs are very easy to open... and that's the biggest complaint most people have about them.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

There was no increased risk of the card being damaged in the relevant videos., if anything it was the opposite.

Not a chance PSA would not do a TAG crossover.


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A sharp plastic edge over the surface of the card is safer? Wow, you can't admit one flaw with TAG.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by aggie4ever

Of course you should be able to crack any slab, so you can remove the card from it if you want (and without damaging the card). I don't think you want it to open as easily as these now seem to do. Send one of these slabs through the mail in a bubble mailer, and it seems like there might be a 50/50 chance it breaks open.

And yes, SGC slabs are very easy to open... and that's the biggest complaint most people have about them.

People have sent TAG slabs in bubble mailers without incident.

These explanations are as entertaining as expected.


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[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

People have sent TAG slabs in bubble mailers without incident.

These explanations are as entertaining as expected.


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Almost as entertaining as your responses as holding TAG as a company that never makes a mistake.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Almost as entertaining as your responses as holding TAG as a company that never makes a mistake.

You don't use TAG or own a TAG slab, why do you care? Why are you compelled to come into a TAG thread and troll? You and JeremyNick have driven away people from this thread with the constant barrage of negativity.

I don't go into SGC, CGC, PSA, or BGS threads to dump on them because I don't really care.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

You don't use TAG or own a TAG slab, why do you care? Why are you compelled to come into a TAG thread and troll? You and JeremyNick have driven away people from this thread with the constant barrage of negativity.

I don't go into SGC, CGC, PSA, or BGS threads to dump on them because I don't really care.

Because the people coming into this thread have an agenda to only pump their slabs. How come all the people, besides yourself, only come here to post about TAG and not collecting? All the other SGC, CGC, PSA, and BGS posts are done by collectors that occasionally show off cards and participate in other discussions. Then we have TAG where we have people only posting about the company, not participating in other areas of the forum, and from the discords community advice to pump up the company.

I care about the hobby and what I see from TAG posters is an obvious attempt to pump up the price of their slabs. You may participate in other threads here, but the data given to us sounds like a TAG infomercial.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Because the people coming into this thread have an agenda to only pump their slabs. How come all the people, besides yourself, only come here to post about TAG and not collecting? All the other SGC, CGC, PSA, and BGS posts are done by collectors that occasionally show off cards and participate in other discussions. Then we have TAG where we have people only posting about the company, not participating in other areas of the forum, and from the discords community advice to pump up the company.

I care about the hobby and what I see from TAG posters is an obvious attempt to pump up the price of their slabs. You may participate in other threads here, but the data given to us sounds like a TAG infomercial.

The idea that people are coming here with an "agenda" to pump up their TAG slabs is comical. Who exactly are you referring to? Me? Hoi? PumpkinEscobar? JWBlue?

The real issue here is that the majority of people posting in this thread are here solely to criticize TAG—despite never having used their services. It’s one thing to have an informed discussion, but it’s another to repeatedly jump into a thread just to tear something down without firsthand experience.

You’ve made over 200 posts in this thread without ever using TAG yourself. That’s not normal behavior. If you don’t use TAG and don’t own a TAG slab, why are you so fixated on them? Why does a company you have no interest in using seem so threatening to you?

Unlike you, I don’t go into PSA, BGS, SGC, or CGC threads just to bash them. If I’m not interested in a company, I simply move on. Maybe it’s time you do the same.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Unlike you, I don’t go into PSA, BGS, SGC, or CGC threads just to bash them. If I’m not interested in a company, I simply move on. Maybe it’s time you do the same.

Nah, I will stay here to show TAG's stupidity. Thank you for taking the time to count my posts.

AI art cards, crypto pump connections, TAG claw machines, affiliation with shady people in the hobby, and "coming soon" cards that will never be graded. This is just HGA with more money backing it.

All of the other companies have threads here talking about submissions and turnaround times. All I see from TAG is how many cards they are grading for mystery boxes and virtual claw machines. Does anyone here that talks about TAG actually grade with them?

Edit: Maybe if you posted things like this, I wouldn't push back that hard. Here is a TAG supporter that is talking about the slabs. There is an issue here and this customer is giving constructive feedback to TAG and the community.

https://x.com/vscardhub/status/1898643126425698346

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Nah, I will stay here to show TAG's stupidity. Thank you for taking the time to count my posts.

AI art cards, crypto pump connections, TAG claw machines, affiliation with shady people in the hobby, and "coming soon" cards that will never be graded. This is just HGA with more money backing it.

All of the other companies have threads here talking about submissions and turnaround times. All I see from TAG is how many cards they are grading for mystery boxes and virtual claw machines. Does anyone here that talks about TAG actually grade with them?

Edit: Maybe if you posted things like this, I wouldn't push back that hard. Here is a TAG supporter that is talking about the slabs. There is an issue here and this customer is giving constructive feedback to TAG and the community.

https://x.com/vscardhub/status/1898643126425698346

What are you "pushing back hard" against?

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

What are you "pushing back hard" against?

I push back on every grading company, every shady marketplace, and every mystery box seller. The hobby deserves better and I will even hold TAG accountable since everyone supporting them ignores the shady things they are doing.

[inaka]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

You have a TAG slab, go see if it shatters that easily.

All of the slabs can be cracked within minimal effort.

Ironically the only TAG slab I’ve ever owned, I cracked out the card and submitted to PSA. It was that Rickey Henderson card I posted here in the past. I’ve cracked many slabs from many companies. They’re nothing like that from the video.

I don’t have any other TAG slabs. I don’t have issues with TAG itself and I think competition is a good thing, especially to push PSA into more transparency. Plus PSA is a roulette game with grading these days, so reports like TAG provides are an excellent trend that would be great for all grading companies to implement.

That said, that reply TAG gave about the slabs easily shattering by design and to get a case if you want protection is such a terrible response and policy I can’t even wrap my head around it. If its true, its ridiculous to have slabs shattering easily by design, and if its false, then you’re lying to cover your backside and as is completely dishonest. Just an odd move to me on all accounts and nothing to be defended.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by inaka

Ironically the only TAG slab I’ve ever owned, I cracked out the card and submitted to PSA. It was that Rickey Henderson card I posted here in the past. I’ve cracked many slabs from many companies. They’re nothing like that from the video.

I don’t have any other TAG slabs. I don’t have issues with TAG itself and I think competition is a good thing, especially to push PSA into more transparency. Plus PSA is a roulette game with grading these days, so reports like TAG provides are an excellent trend that would be great for all grading companies to implement.

That said, that reply TAG gave about the slabs easily shattering by design and to get a case if you want protection is such a terrible response and policy I can’t even wrap my head around it. If its true, its ridiculous to have slabs shattering easily by design, and if its false, then you’re lying to cover your backside and as is completely dishonest. Just an odd move to me on all accounts and nothing to be defended.

Agreed, the original video is not representative of most TAG slabs. And the TAG response is suspect.

[inaka]

Just for reference, the bold part I said above ("They’re nothing like that from the video" ) meant other company slabs are nothing like that TAG one that was easily cracked in the video.

I'd hope that the majority of TAG slabs were NOT like that, and I honestly I assume they aren't, otherwise I would assume this issue would have come to light much sooner. But that response by TAG is so odd for them to say they're designed that way and that slab performed exactly as designed. We agree that the TAG response is suspect.

Maybe TAG used AI/ChatGPT to generate that response? I kid, I kid.
Hopefully other TAG slabs aren't like that.