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[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

Zion has only played 34 games in his career-he’s averaged 22.3 thus far
Luka Doncic first 34 games 19.7

With hat in hand, I stand corrected .....

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

For me, the benchmark has been moved higher than ever before. Perhaps that’s why I seem underwhelmed with Zion thus far. I would say there are 3 reasons:

1. Luka
2. Luka
3. Luka

This is the problem. I don’t mean this as offensive towards you, because this perspective is all over Blowout. A thread was literally just created talking about the two players swapping teams.

From a player perspective, Luka is Luka. Zion is Zion. Totally different players. Were people this obsessed with comparing Shaq and MJ?

From a hobby perspective, I would say if you can buy Luka at Luka prices that’s fine, but you have to understand there is a whole lot baked in there. I’ll gladly buy Zion at Zion prices. I don’t think Zion prices will ever be Luka prices, but one is actually a bargain compared to their ceiling. For me, it’s about trajectory.

Some of the takes on this thread are so pessimistic that I just have to laugh. It could be the only player thread that has more critics commenting than fans.


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[pejc300]

It's not looking good right now, let's be honest. Team is a dumpster fire. He'll keep putting up 22/9 (like a lot of guys have done in the league a million times over in the league) and not shooting the ball.

The prospect of an increase in value for him this year is not good. If you're still a believer (I am not) for the long term, it will continue to be a good time to buy.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

This is the problem. I don’t mean this as offensive towards you, because this perspective is all over Blowout. A thread was literally just created talking about the two players swapping teams.

From a player perspective, Luka is Luka. Zion is Zion. Totally different players. Were people this obsessed with comparing Shaq and MJ?

From a hobby perspective, I would say if you can buy Luka at Luka prices that’s fine, but you have to understand there is a whole lot baked in there. I’ll gladly buy Zion at Zion prices. I don’t think Zion prices will ever be Luka prices, but one is actually a bargain compared to their ceiling. For me, it’s about trajectory.

Some of the takes on this thread are so pessimistic that I just have to laugh. It could be the only player thread that has more critics commenting than fans.


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If Luka is MJ and Zion is Shaq why on earth would you be buying Zion and not Luka?

[jcardstore]

Zion hype is gonna die real quick if he’s going to be a 24-10 guy

[mma138]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Zion has been playing just fine. The problem is, the pieces around him suck. They need a massive overhaul. Bledsoe and Lonzo both need to go. Redick should retire this morning. Adams, Hart, and NAW can contribute. But after those three, what do they have?

and he is still very young . just watch what will happen . just give it some time .

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

If Luka is MJ and Zion is Shaq why on earth would you be buying Zion and not Luka?

Easy there, don’t read too far. It’s just a comparison between two completely stylistically unrelated superstars from a bygone era. Both players have a long way to go before we know what they will ultimately become in a career sense.

I don’t think Luka will be MJ, a player more in the mold of Magic is a better possibility (which is still insanely high praise). You think Zion’s close to his peak? Come on now, I know you’re smarter than that.

Im just curious why he’s the only 20 year old that is getting held to impossible standards.


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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Easy there, don’t read too far. It’s just a comparison between two completely stylistically unrelated superstars from a bygone era. Both players have a long way to go before we know what they will ultimately become in a career sense.

I don’t think Luka will be MJ, a player more in the mold of Magic is a better possibility (which is still insanely high praise). You think Zion’s close to his peak? Come on now, I know you’re smarter than that.

Im just curious why he’s the only 20 year old that is getting held to impossible standards.


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Without a jump shot or an elite handle how much better is Zion gonna be? Do you think he can average 30ppg and be the #1 guy on a contender? Cause that’s how he’s priced.

I think Zion is gonna be a really good player, multi time allstar but Luka is light years ahead of him and only gonna get better.

Ultimately I believe Zion will not live up to the prices or the hype but we will see

[brothertona]

Zion isn't even the #1 guy on his own team, Ingram is.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by brothertona

Zion isn't even the #1 guy on his own team, Ingram is.

That’s exactly my point. I cannot see a scenario where Zion is the lead dog on a contender. The only possible way to sustain the hype over more than 2-3 years is to prove you can lead a team to a title

[Chris P]

Man enough of this negativity crap on an Appreciation thread no less (half of these comments are Zion sucks/Zion won't live up to his potential) lol..let's get back to some card showcases...STOKED to pull this out of cello!!



He's not Luka..he's not Lebron..he's not JA..he's Zion...time will tell how great he will be..but I'm not writing him off after 34 games lol

[KhalDrogo]

There’s only one solution here.

Zion goes to the Mavs in 2023.

[nomarkj]

While I do agree with some of the points made around here, there are a lot of really questionable things being tossed around for a guy who’s played 34 career games.

[allstarcomics]

Originally Posted by brothertona

Zion isn't even the #1 guy on his own team, Ingram is.

took Ingram 5 years to get to this point Zions had less than half a season

[StrongandFree86]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Zion hype is gonna die real quick if he’s going to be a 24-10 guy

What if he put up 28-6 over his first 82 games? Would you write him off as never going to live up to the hype then?

[22emmittfan]

Everyone is trying to compare Zion to this guy or that guy. Most everyone that people are comparing to are point guards or shooting guards. Zion is a forward that doesn’t have the same skill sets as those guys. He is totally unique in his style and play. Luka Ja Trae they all can shoot better as that is what they have always done. Zion plays in the post. None of those guys maybe Luka could take the pounding down low that Zion does. He will have to at least attempt those 10 footers if they give it to him though. The defense last night was giving him almost 3 feet at the start and saying beat me if you can. He will learn to take what they give him , and when he does he will be the hardest player to defend.
Zion also brings charisma to the hobby. I know that doesn’t mean anything on court but it helps with values. He probably will be one of the faces of the nba when the old guys hang it up. Q scores will help values of his cards too. I have ja and Zion cards and want them both to do well but stop comparing the guys.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by nomarkj

While I do agree with some of the points made around here, there are a lot of really questionable things being tossed around for a guy who’s played 34 career games.

Agreed, especially by the Zionbies.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Without a jump shot or an elite handle how much better is Zion gonna be? Do you think he can average 30ppg and be the #1 guy on a contender? Cause that’s how he’s priced.

I think Zion is gonna be a really good player, multi time allstar but Luka is light years ahead of him and only gonna get better.

Ultimately I believe Zion will not live up to the prices or the hype but we will see

Zion doesn’t necessarily need to become a true jump shooter or have elite level handles to average 30, which I believe he will be averaging with a few years development and better guard play (good gracious). Now anyone who is honest in their assessment knows the Pels are not a contender, we will see what transpires in the future.

He does need to develop the ability to hit the occasional mid range jump shot and have a baby hook in his back pocket, but he doesn’t need to become a different player. Can we please just take a moment and realize how many points he is scoring already? It’s kind of absurd just how efficient he is at getting buckets as a 20 year old with not even half an NBA season under his belt.

I love watching Luka. There’s no reason to think Luka won’t continue to develop as a player, but to say Luka will develop and Zion is frozen in his current ability is a big double standard. I actually think Luka’s Euro experience allowed him to enter the league much more seasoned than playing college ball. It may be Europe, but those teams would trounce NCAA teams.

Hobby wise, he was priced high out of the gate. The whole market was rising at a crazy level as his stock was falling due to the whole bubble conditioning/rehab/minutes burst fiasco. Now he’s priced closer to Ja and Trae. I actually don’t think there is a ton baked into his price at the current moment, but we know how fast tides can shift.


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[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Man enough of this negativity crap on an Appreciation thread no less (half of these comments are Zion sucks/Zion won't live up to his potential) lol..let's get back to some card showcases...STOKED to pull this out of cello!!



He's not Luka..he's not Lebron..he's not JA..he's Zion...time will tell how great he will be..but I'm not writing him off after 34 games lol

Sweet card 😄

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

What if he put up 28-6 over his first 82 games? Would you write him off as never going to live up to the hype then?

He’s not going to average 28ppg. If he does I’ll be the 1st one here saying I was wrong.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Zion doesn’t necessarily need to become a true jump shooter or have elite level handles to average 30, which I believe he will be averaging with a few years development and better guard play (good gracious). Now anyone who is honest in their assessment knows the Pels are not a contender, we will see what transpires in the future.

He does need to develop the ability to hit the occasional mid range jump shot and have a baby hook in his back pocket, but he doesn’t need to become a different player. Can we please just take a moment and realize how many points he is scoring already? It’s kind of absurd just how efficient he is at getting buckets as a 20 year old with not even half an NBA season under his belt.

I love watching Luka. There’s no reason to think Luka won’t continue to develop as a player, but to say Luka will develop and Zion is frozen in his current ability is a big double standard. I actually think Luka’s Euro experience allowed him to enter the league much more seasoned than playing college ball. It may be Europe, but those teams would trounce NCAA teams.

Hobby wise, he was priced high out of the gate. The whole market was rising at a crazy level as his stock was falling due to the whole bubble conditioning/rehab/minutes burst fiasco. Now he’s priced closer to Ja and Trae. I actually don’t think there is a ton baked into his price at the current moment, but we know how fast tides can shift.


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I 100% agree that Luka was way way more seasoned in terms of basketball and that gives him an inherent advantage.

Honestly, I probably overrate players who are lead ball handlers and don’t give enough credit to big men.

Personally, I own 0 Zion cards and only 4 Luka cards so whether either of them go up in value makes no difference to me. I enjoy good basketball so I hope Zion turns out to be awesome but frankly this year has been disappointing so far for him.

I also think this Pelicans team is the worst possible spot for him right now because there’s no space for him to work.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

He’s not going to average 28ppg. If he does I’ll be the 1st one here saying I was wrong.

With the Pels offensive approach (or lack thereof), I don’t think he will average 28 in his first 82 games either realistically.


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[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by brothertona

Zion isn't even the #1 guy on his own team, Ingram is.

Personally, there are only two reasons I watch Pels games - Adams and Zion.
Ingram is proving to be a bit selfish and they aren't winning at the moment. Plus this is only Zion's first full season, they might give him the keys next year, either way, he's the one to watch and that's why he should retain value whether he's leading or not.

[scyforce]

Zion need to have the shooting skill like LeBron after the first final to carry team, he was blocked a ton of times.


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[pingbling23]

ill say zion looks to be in better shape and his running form doesnt look as awkward.