LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[Wings]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

BO's needed a Haiku replacement for quite some time.

Haiku was way more lovable.

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I like any Boomer reference, kudos. I meant no offense with the back in the day line, it was merely to point out that today's BO is a far kinder and gentler BO than it was just a few years ago. This is both good and bad. It did used to get a bit out of hand but we also were able to weed crap out far quicker with a bit rougher approach. It was far more entertaining too which some people liked and some didn't.

The point is, anyone complaining about the mob in this specific thread should ask themselves why. We have irrefutable evidence that extremely important cards were trimmed and the list of potential suspects is extremely small, as in three. Two of the three have already been caught in lies yet they both have had people white knighting on their behalf. That just boggles my mind. Sometimes it isn't a mob, sometimes it is just that the majority of the people can see the truth.

My friend, your point is well taken. Here's where I have a slight disagreement with you. In this thread, two things are happening simultaneously. (1) There is an abundance of evidence against BNC. Agreed. I'm with you all on that. I've raised a small concern, but failure to address it is not dispositive. (Which is to say that even if my question is never resolved, there's enough evidence to convict. Yep.) (2) There is a bloodthirsty mob that wants to exact revenge against BNC. This is a separate issue from whether BNC is guilty. That there is a mob somewhat understandable. Cards get people really emotional. But it looks silly. It leads members to say exaggerated, hyperbolic things, distorting the truth, which I could quote for you by the dozens. My point is: Settle down. Return to rational discourse.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Wings

Haiku was way more lovable.

Yes, yes he was.

[hxcmilkshake]

...waiting with popcorn till 27guy resurfaces.....

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[ReggieEvansPC]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

...waiting with popcorn till 27guy resurfaces.....

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If he does, I imagine his response will be on par with what BNC posted in this thread.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

My friend, your point is well taken. Here's where I have a slight disagreement with you. In this thread, two things are happening simultaneously. (1) There is an abundance of evidence against BNC. Agreed. I'm with you all on that. I've raised a small concern, but failure to address it is not dispositive. (Which is to say that even if my question is never resolved, there's enough evidence to convict. Yep.) (2) There is a bloodthirsty mob that wants to exact revenge against BNC. This is a separate issue from whether BNC is guilty. That there is a mob somewhat understandable. Cards get people really emotional. But it looks silly. It leads members to say exaggerated, hyperbolic things, distorting the truth, which I could quote for you by the dozens. My point is: Settle down. Return to rational discourse.

This is a great post right up until the bolded. Maybe I just have a thicker skin or have just become immune to internet bluster. Either way, I haven't seen any outward ill wishes to Eric as much as it would likely be deserved. Saying that there is a "bloodthirsty mob wanting to enact revenge" against Eric is extremely hyperbolic and is so over the top that it causes people to tune out.

I agree, rational discourse is good. However, if Eric is as guilty as he appears to be, do you not think there should be some type of consequences? Those consequences are part of a "rational discourse", no?

[dogzman]

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[ninjacookies]

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

#1-Agreed, let's let the rational reviewers of the thread decide. I did overlook that the card listed for sale probably wasn't #87. That got settled above. The other ambiguity that I've called attention to--did the card ever change hands in between being bought raw from eBay and being subbed and receiving a BGS 9?--is still an open question. For the bloodthirsties, it's hardly an afterthought. You want the scalp/revenge now. However, for me, acting with an abundance of caution, it'd be nice to gather additional evidence on this question. For example, was it ever removed from his site during that time period? Maybe someone knows. Granted, we don't need that evidence to still have a strong case. But it helps, and it'd make me feel more confident in my judgment. It also takes away one of his potential defenses if he does come back around. Of course, if judgment needs to be passed now, my verdict is guilty. But threads have been known to take unpredictable turns.

#2-Let's not derail the thread. You're dragging up old posts. That's fine. I reread that thread a little earlier today and enjoyed our back-and-forth. Some good edification for all, regardless of who they agree with. There, the discussion was substantive and about MJs, a more interesting topic than the one currently at hand IMO . On that note, I encourage all to join the continuance of that debate on my instagram page, where I analyze MJ market trends. The bottom line, Abra, is that we dislike each other. We got our hits in. Truce on non-related topics for the sake of keeping the thread on track.

#1 - Try a little harder. Very apparent you failed in due diligence here, I'm not the only one that sees it.

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Ok, right on. I think we're starting to get a a clearer picture and it's looking like we were on the right track all along, but now I'm wondering what happened between 2013 and the card being graded a BGS 9. If he had it (87) in 2013, I'm not able to visualize how he would be unaware of it being trimmed. Even if he sold it in its original condition and reacquired it post-trimming, it's highly unlikely he would not notice it.

#2 - I completely forgot about you until recently. You advertise high sale prices on Jordan cards and peddle them on eBay. It's not rocket science.

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

LMAO at the logo edit

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

LMAO at the logo edit

Figured his design could use a little revamping.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Figured his design could use a little revamping.

If the whole card thing doesn't work out for him, maybe he could launch a line of paper trimmers.

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

. However, if Eric is as guilty as he appears to be, do you not think there should be some type of consequences?

This is the key question. I'd like to know your answer as well.

What should the punishment be? Well, first of all, what are the charges?

#1-Trimming/altering card #87.
#2-Lying about trimming/altering card #87.
#3-Not committing to disclosing #87 as trimmed/altered before selling.

Am I missing any?

As far as the punishment goes, I'm not part of any sanctioning body. I'm a lone commenter on a message board. The only punishment I can mete out is that I'll avoid doing business with him. And I'll alert any associates of mine who are thinking of dealing with him to this thread. And I'll offer my reasoned judgment and conclusions to the community writ large, which could have harmful reputational effects.

What say you?

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

If the whole card thing doesn't work out for him, maybe he could launch a line of paper trimmers.

Just needs Dave Coulier to head the marketing campaign, and Adam to run the public relations department. Just in case there's ever any quality concerns that need to be 'silenced.'

[Onions]

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I think you're way off. Adam was asked directly about #87 multiple times and always said some type of response similar to, 'I'm still working on #74, I'll look at #87 later'. This always struck me as odd. In investigations, you work all leads at the same time as they are often linked or can prove or disprove each other.

I asked him point blank in the thread as well as via PM why he was refusing to look into #87 and always got the same response. Now we find out that he had irrefutable proof the entire time that Eric was lying about #87. You might want to give him the benefit of the doubt but I think that ship has sailed.

Am I saying he was involved in this mess? No, absolutely not. What I am saying and I've said it many times previously in this thread is that he knows far more than he's letting on. Post #10 still strikes me as very odd. Almost immediately after Rookies posts calling out Eric, Adam already knows that there was a stop for the Lebron before it went to Eric, hmm.

Also, does it not strike anyone else as odd that all of the major suspects are singing their guts out to Adam considering how this potentially huge scam could bring them down and cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars? This is obviously occurring as Adam has had his finger on the pulse since jump, the question is why and how?

I don't swim in this end of the pool so I am not experienced with how things work and how intertwined the big players are. However, I have performed more than my share of investigations and my gut is right more often than it is wrong. I've felt from the start that Adam was covering for Eric and not entirely aboveboard. What I don't know are his motivations. It could be as simple as not wanting to lose access to big card purchases in the future. Even if that is as sinister as it gets, I still can't stomach someone who knowingly covers for a liar, thief and/or scammer. Just my .02.

Well done. As more of a lurker on these boards than a poster, you have nailed it. Adam has something to lose here. No clue what it is, but he does. I'm no detective, but this also sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

There are probably only 2-3 people who have the real answers here, no way we get them directly. If BNC was clean, he could provide the proof with very little difficulty. He is clearly culpable and appears to run cards through a 3rd party, possibly for plausible deniability and also to set markets. Pretty slimy to say the least.

Also, would anyone really put a knife to cards like this without some assurance that BGS wouldn't reject them as altered? If I was trying to run a scam like this, you better believe that I would be positive that they would find their way into a slab no matter what. I know that angle was mentioned before, but it seems likely there is some legitimacy to it.

[hostilecarrot]

I’m just here so I don’t get fined.

[Wings]

Originally Posted by hostilecarrot

I’m just here so I don’t get fined.

Wow, great post and great username.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by hostilecarrot

I’m just here so I don’t get fined.

Since your a defense attorney. Do you think you could advise the27guy, Soleternity and the LuckyShow to stop posting? It would be in their best interest, right?

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Since your a defense attorney. Do you think you could advise the27guy, Soleternity and the LuckyShow to stop posting? It would be in their best interest, right?

How's that?

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Since your a defense attorney. Do you think you could advise the27guy, Soleternity and the LuckyShow to stop posting? It would be in their best interest, right?

Geez really?

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[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Read Adams replies again. He's clearly confused. He's mixing up cards and referring to posts that dont pertain to what buybuymj is saying. Yes, he shouldn't have been because buybuymj is VERY CLEAR in his messaging but that's my take.

Like Jay Conley said, Adam knows he messed up. Not "I purposely withheld proof damning Eric" kinda messed up. More "it was right there in front of me and I didnt see it" messed up.

Anyone else see it that way or do you think I'm way off.







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You know what ^^ is called Siberian13? It's called an opinion and I'm entitled to have it. Does that scare you? Nice try but I ain't going anywhere.

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[stang_crazy]

Originally Posted by dogzman

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LMAO omg!!

[stang_crazy]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Holy hell your guy's are killing me. I laughed so damn hard at this and the train derailment I think i tore my stitches out from my gallbladder surgery I had on Wed.

[cypher]

Using a middleman has gone on since the Goodfellas days. BNC comes in contact with a middle man that has "connections". His connection has sent in multiple lower end, trimmed, exquisite cards and they pass though BGS without any issues. Middle man hooks up with BNC to test BGS with a Lebron RPA that was purchased for $14k raw with damage. Even if the card is found to be altered you can deny any involvement in the alteration.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

You know what ^^ is called Siberian13? It's called an opinion and I'm entitled to have it. Does that scare you? Nice try but I ain't going anywhere.

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No one is scared of your opinion. I’m sure some are embarrassed for you by having that actual opinion though. Didn’t you post that knowing the27guy didn’t post all the private messages back and forth with buybuymj and that the27guy had those messages weeks ago? I think people are confused why you keep defending someone who would do these things. People on here seem to really like this Adam guy for whatever reason. But from what I’ve seen in this thread, I would not associate myself with anyone like him or Eric.

[JayConley]

I want to make it clear that I wasn't defending Adam. Adam very much knows this. I just wanted to convey that his sorry was "I'm truly sorry for this", not "I'm sorry I got caught". I told Adam that I believe there's more to it than he has said. I've long thought he stood to lose some type of equity here.