Panini Eminence?

[xavieronly1]

Funny how OP link is changed by BO. It is not the same link toward to other store.

[jbrandonw]

They might as well just start putting money in the boxes.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by WaiverWire

It's okay to complain AND not buy Panini products. One thing to consider -- as someone who buys singles, there are limits to what I'm willing to pay for base cards and cards in general. While singles in Flawless are steep, if Eminence singles are double the price of Flawless, who exactly is going to be buying those singles? are we talking 8k for a Wiggins base card? 4K for Jabari base card? There's a lot of money in this hobby, but there's also a lot of slack for the non-elite rookies, the second tier stars, and the retired players with smaller fan bases.

I'm not saying the opposite: my point is that the only way to "fight" this is to stop buying/talking about the product, yet if Panini sells all of it (even if the secondary market is not that great), they might continue doing it.

[shindo03]

Originally Posted by jbrandonw

They might as well just start putting money in the boxes.

Topps already did that with Topps Treasury.

[tristan20]

And the Babe Ruth (If it is inserted) will be pulled in the East, China Hong Kong or Taiwan. pick your poison

Once the Ruth is pulled, this product will be toilet paper.

[AlabamaSlamma]

-Each box will contain between 7 & 10 Autographed, Autographed Memorabilia or Precious Metal cards.

-The most limited basketball product ever produced by Panini.

-All cards sequentially numbered to 10 or less.

-For the first time ever, find Autographed Championship Tag Memorabilia cards.

Also, marvel at the next generation of high end packaging:

[Dielon]

Tell me when Panini releases the product with 1/1's only, coming in 2017.

[XARZY]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I'm not saying the opposite: my point is that the only way to "fight" this is to stop buying/talking about the product, yet if Panini sells all of it (even if the secondary market is not that great), they might continue doing it.

why do people care about high end releases? do you go around boycotting bugatti and lamborghini? both are audi/vw but are very overpriced AND SEVERELY limited.

[alanlam]

Originally Posted by SPauthentic84

*To put that in reference, remember when Gold Standard was the 2nd highest product they had.

Good point. This is basically a low end product now. With a $190 opening price.

[jbrandonw]

This is basically a licensed version of the wheeler collection. Not saying that's a bad thing, but people talked so badly about him putting precious metals to add value, but they'll eat this up.

[UltimateDeron]

Originally Posted by hychang5

They forgot to show the Eddie Jones, Nick Van Excel and Dave Cowens autograph cards.

Don't forget about current stars Chase Budinger, Aaron Afflalo, Nick Collison and the rookie that is in every product just because he's on the Cavs, Joe Harris. Retired stars like Shane Battier, Vin Baker, and Kenny Anderson. Also, legends such as Bob Dandridge, Tom Chambers, Brad Daugherty, Walter Davis, Sidney Moncreif, and the great Louie Dampier! This product is loaded with some of your favorites!

[jbrandonw]

Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

Don't forget about current stars Chase Budinger, Aaron Afflalo, Nick Collison and the rookie that is in every product just because he's on the Cavs, Joe Harris. Retired stars like Shane Battier, Vin Baker, and Kenny Anderson. Also, legends such as Bob Dandridge, Tom Chambers, Brad Daugherty, Walter Davis, Sidney Moncreif, and the great Louie Dampier! This product is loaded with some of your favorites!

You guys forgot everyone's favorite. Fat lever.

[UltimateDeron]

Originally Posted by jbrandonw

You guys forgot everyone's favorite. Fat lever.

But wait! This just in! As a one time offer, each box of Eminence will be guaranteed 1 authentic signature of the following greats: Paul Westphal, Mark Aguire, Scott Skiles, Campy AND Cazzie Russell (yes both!), Scott Brooks, and Kenny 'Sky' Walker!

[oshmeehan]

^^^^^^ What do you expect?!? Upper Deck has cornered the market on Lou Hudson, Bill Laimbeer, and Michael Ray Richardson!

[jprk31]

I can't wait for Super Break to buy all the hits of this new high end product. They will have it graded and resell it for $10k a box. Watch it will happen.

[byronscott4ever]

What if this had a Jordan cut auto?

[inopethflames]

the hobby trend the past couple years has been to higher & higher price ranges. if collectors werent demonstrating this is what they wanted, panini wouldnt make it. if nobody spent more than $20 per box, then thats all panini would make.

if topps was the only company, or upper deck was the only company, they would be doing the exact same thing. if all 3 companies were still in, aside from the fact that the nba card industry probably wouldve completely collapsed by now, all 3 companies would have products like this, every single year. except in that case there would probably be rookie exclusives to each brand, and definitely veteran/legend exclusives. so you'd have 3 companies all with incredibly expensive brands but the player set would be divided.

if this product comes out and it didnt sell out, it wouldnt be back, but some people, whoever they are, group breakers, asia, wherever, are buying high end products because panini has stated in a press release that collectors want this and so they are making more. if what a company produces sells, then the company will make more, if it doesnt sell, they will adjust their stuff. this should be out of the price range of about 99% of the people on this messageboard, so if you cant afford it, dont buy it and dont worry about it, if you want it and can afford it, then buy it. if everyone on this board was extremely rich, i am sure there would be no one complaining about the price of this other than the people who complain about every single thing.

[inopethflames]

on a side note, this will possibly be an every year product, but with how well the 15-16 rookies are doing, it wouldve probably been an even more popular or hot product with that class rather than the 14-15. okafor, towns, porzingas, others im forgetting, some of them might even be at the wiggins level price, or higher at this point.

[CubKings]

Originally Posted by jprk31

I can't wait for Super Break to buy all the hits of this new high end product. They will have it graded and resell it for $10k a box. Watch it will happen.

For real. who can afford case after case of stuff like this? Maybe the NBA players are the collectors and breakers...

[No1CavsFan]

Originally Posted by WaiverWire

anyone who is still trying to sell their 2014-15 flawless cards just lost some money.

Flawless??? What Flawless?
But seriously, if Flawless is over $1k, then this will be about $3k a box.

[the27guy]

Alright... My thoughts for the two of you who will actually read this...

First off- a question. Why have we not heard a peep out of panini about this for the past few months? Answer... It would have hurt flawless sales. The employees of every business are principly evaluated based on the wealth they create. Paninis employees are no different. I have been in enough big business meetings to know that there are very real conversations at panini where people say things like.... "How long do we have to wait to release this product to make sure that people have had their fill of product x" and "when should we release the first preview to maximize profitablilty?" And even "how about we intentionally release a secret 1 inch by 1 inch picture of a card without the name of the product and then immediately take down that preview. They'll pick up the image on blowout and the buzz will begin.... Then it won't be a complete secret but it won't be enough of a reason for people to stop buying flawless"

The question that I have, back to Justin's point earlier... Is it okay that they do this? I don't want to be the moral police but I have mixed feelings. On one hand, cards do not actually change when a new product is released. They are what they were before. They don't deteriorate in their top loaders or anything.

But the value of a given card... Especially a rookie card.... Is derived more by its perceived scarcity than by any other trait. It's true. And when something is perceived as the rarest and very best that makes a BIG difference to its value. By dropping this "2014-15" product in December w no announcement until November 23 2015, panini is effectively saying "screw you" to the holders of those scarcest and best rookies that already came out. They would defend themselves well by saying... "We never promised that the NT would be the rarest and best true RPA. Or, we never promised that the gala /8 would be the rarest true rookie. We just wanted to give the consumer what they wanted". Well, what many consumers wanted was the best true rookie card of their favorite rookie by the end of the season-- strike that.... By the end of the following off season. But now, a month into the following season we find out that there may be something better.... They've created a 15 month year after year production season. It's brilliant business.

Having said all that.... I want a clear number one product. I do. I want it to have dual logoman autos and the rarest true rpas and I want it all game worn. I want 1000 or less total cases. I want them to absolutely push the envelope..... I hope this product has those things. If it does I will probably buy a couple cases.

But I wish it wasn't now. It feels dirty to me that it's now. The timing feels... Deceptive. Not on the heals of the gala/noir/luxe trifecta AND flawless. Not without warning.

not so far into next season.

And to those saying that immac 2012-13 was released super late... You are correct it was but the previews had been out since even before the flawless previews. MONTHS BEFORE. This is different than that. This is dirtier.

So what do we do? Buy or not? Some of you will say no. I get that.

But there are plenty of you who, like me, want "the best". This will very likely be the best 2014-15 product. Two years from now very few, if any, people will care that it was released so late or that panini had just released more high end products than ever before in the months leading up to its release. What people will care about is that it was one of the best new products panini had ever released.

Good luck in breaks everyone.

[rj.cataldo]

I really think this product is a swing and a miss. Not from the sense that it won't sell, because it certainly will with all of the gamblers in the hobby. But it's a miss because it isn't the product people are asking for. It's just perceived and FORCED rarity. They have tried everything to make things more high end, so now we are at the spot of putting an oz of precious metal.

I am not in this hobby for precious metal, and frankly I think most of those cards look fairly hideous. If I'm seeking a wiggins rookie, I'd rather have the NT than a gold bar card. Panini is basically selling commodities at inflated prices at this point.

As for the cuts, they are nice, but all of the non basketball cuts seem almost as gimmicky as the gold to me. The way I see it Panini is trying to sell a homemade Super Break product while still snagging the international market under the basketball umbrella.

Somehow despite the inconsistent number of hits in a box, breakers will break this and people will buy. I however will not be buying. At some point enough is enough and for me that point is now.

[MiracleSports]

Originally Posted by rj.cataldo

I really think this product is a swing and a miss. Not from the sense that it won't sell, because it certainly will with all of the gamblers in the hobby. But it's a miss because it isn't the product people are asking for. It's just perceived and FORCED rarity. They have tried everything to make things more high end, so now we are at the spot of putting an oz of precious metal.

I am not in this hobby for precious metal, and frankly I think most of those cards look fairly hideous. If I'm seeking a wiggins rookie, I'd rather have the NT than a gold bar card. Panini is basically selling commodities at inflated prices at this point.

As for the cuts, they are nice, but all of the non basketball cuts seem almost as gimmicky as the gold to me. The way I see it Panini is trying to sell a homemade Super Break product while still snagging the international market under the basketball umbrella.

Somehow despite the inconsistent number of hits in a box, breakers will break this and people will buy. I however will not be buying. At some point enough is enough and for me that point is now.

+1 Couldn't of said it any better!

BTW Panini I hope all these cards comes with free toploaders or mags. YOU greedy SOBs....

[Andy5]

I think Optimus sounds better.

[shindo03]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Alright... My thoughts for the two of you who will actually read this...

First off- a question. Why have we not heard a peep out of panini about this for the past few months? Answer... It would have hurt flawless sales. The employees of every business are principly evaluated based on the wealth they create. Paninis employees are no different. I have been in enough big business meetings to know that there are very real conversations at panini where people say things like.... "How long do we have to wait to release this product to make sure that people have had their fill of product x" and "when should we release the first preview to maximize profitablilty?" And even "how about we intentionally release a secret 1 inch by 1 inch picture of a card without the name of the product and then immediately take down that preview. They'll pick up the image on blowout and the buzz will begin.... Then it won't be a complete secret but it won't be enough of a reason for people to stop buying flawless"

The question that I have, back to Justin's point earlier... Is it okay that they do this? I don't want to be the moral police but I have mixed feelings. On one hand, cards do not actually change when a new product is released. They are what they were before. They don't deteriorate in their top loaders or anything.

But the value of a given card... Especially a rookie card.... Is derived more by its perceived scarcity than by any other trait. It's true. And when something is perceived as the rarest and very best that makes a BIG difference to its value. By dropping this "2014-15" product in December w no announcement until November 23 2015, panini is effectively saying "screw you" to the holders of those scarcest and best rookies that already came out. They would defend themselves well by saying... "We never promised that the NT would be the rarest and best true RPA. Or, we never promised that the gala /8 would be the rarest true rookie. We just wanted to give the consumer what they wanted". Well, what many consumers wanted was the best true rookie card of their favorite rookie by the end of the season-- strike that.... By the end of the following off season. But now, a month into the following season we find out that there may be something better.... They've created a 15 month year after year production season. It's brilliant business.

Having said all that.... I want a clear number one product. I do. I want it to have dual logoman autos and the rarest true rpas and I want it all game worn. I want 1000 or less total cases. I want them to absolutely push the envelope..... I hope this product has those things. If it does I will probably buy a couple cases.

But I wish it wasn't now. It feels dirty to me that it's now. The timing feels... Deceptive. Not on the heals of the gala/noir/luxe trifecta AND flawless. Not without warning.

not so far into next season.

And to those saying that immac 2012-13 was released super late... You are correct it was but the previews had been out since even before the flawless previews. MONTHS BEFORE. This is different than that. This is dirtier.

So what do we do? Buy or not? Some of you will say no. I get that.

But there are plenty of you who, like me, want "the best". This will very likely be the best 2014-15 product. Two years from now very few, if any, people will care that it was released so late or that panini had just released more high end products than ever before in the months leading up to its release. What people will care about is that it was one of the best new products panini had ever released.

Good luck in breaks everyone.

was I 1 of 2 that you thought would read... cause I did read, and I dunno how to feel about this product.