2024 Marvel Masterpieces - Nahuel Grego

[fabiani12333]

The Black Widow artwork is straight fire -- saw the galley version pulled in a break video.

[fabiani12333]

The Tinsil holofoil parallel looks nice.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Overall the set is a bit lackluster with the missing characters, parallels, and inserts, but there are some real gems as well. Spidey is good and my Spidey Miles is spectacular. I'll be picking up a lot of Miles. I don't collect Storm or Iceman, but those really stand out to me as well.

I did see a Miles framed masterpiece on the bay- it is a very sharp looking card. No question some of these are great. I’m a big fan of Iceman cards (not a character collector myself, but if I was it’d probably be him), and just looked up his card and I agree.

I wish they would have done the framed masterpiece parallel for the previous MM sets back to 2016…it’s very appropriate for a ‘Masterpieces’ set.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I did see a Miles framed masterpiece on the bay- it is a very sharp looking card.

But don't you think the Miles Morales artwork has too much shadowing? At least half the artwork in the set seems to have gratuitous amounts of shadowing. The Green Goblin, which is otherwise cool artwork, seems to have a black hole in his crotch area.

Note to Marvel artists -- don't do shadowing; it'll rot your brain. Uh, I mean, it'll detract from your otherwise nice artwork.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

But don't you think the Miles Morales artwork has too much shadowing? At least half the artwork in the set seems to have gratuitous amounts of shadowing. The Green Goblin, which is otherwise cool artwork, seems to have a black hole in his crotch area.

Note to Marvel artists -- don't do shadowing; it'll rot your brain. Uh, I mean, it'll detract from your otherwise nice artwork.

Ha..yea it’s a dark card. Having art in shadow isn’t *necessarily* bad as sometimes it works well, particularly with a vibrant and illuminated background on the Miles that makes it stand out. Other examples I remember liking similar to that are Bianchi’s 2018 Masterpieces canvas Iron Man and Palumbo’s 2020 Ultron base.

I do not however like when a large portion of a set is in shadow or has that darker tone. It’s just a preference thing, I want bright color palette art for superheroes. Of the new MM sets I think only Jusko’s MM16 really achieved that for most of the set. If you go back to the 90s MM, like the Hildebrandts and their brilliant lighting techniques, you just don’t see much in shadow. This is not to say there aren’t plenty of cards I like in the new set though.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Ha..yea it’s a dark card. Having art in shadow isn’t *necessarily* bad as sometimes it works well, particularly with a vibrant and illuminated background on the Miles that makes it stand out. Other examples I remember liking similar to that are Bianchi’s 2018 Masterpieces canvas Iron Man and Palumbo’s 2020 Ultron base.

I do not however like when a large portion of a set is in shadow or has that darker tone. It’s just a preference thing, I want bright color palette art for superheroes. Of the new MM sets I think only Jusko’s MM16 really achieved that for most of the set. If you go back to the 90s MM, like the Hildebrandts and their brilliant lighting techniques, you just don’t see much in shadow. This is not to say there aren’t plenty of cards I like in the new set though.

I agree that a card's artwork can be enhanced with a foreground character in shadow and a bright, vivid visual background. The problem is the character is supposed to be the centerpiece of the card. They are meant to be showcased. They should immediately capture the eyes of the viewer/hobbyist.

The irony with the '94 MM Hildebrandt artwork is that it's maybe the most similar to the traditional Disney style of artwork/animation. Yet, the modern MM artwork, under the control of Disney, reminds me more of something out of Magic the Gathering or a Zack Snyder DCEU movie -- "Do you bleed?"

[fabiani12333]

Here's an example of a trading card artwork that has a good balance between a vivid background and a character in the foreground with some shadowing (Boris Vallejo; 1996 MM):

[TimBuckTwo]

Opened one box from LCS.

Yielded green /25, two purples /199 (each purple had a PA in it), one Bronze Framed /99, one Diamonds Holo /50.

No major characters hits or base.

[MMguy]

Opened 3 boxes...

Wolverine - Legendary Orange
Scarlet Witch - Blue Wave
Hulk - Gallery Variant - Purple
Siryn - Gallery Variant - Orange
Sentinels - Blue Wave
Gladiator - Metallurgy
Young Avengers - Mirage
Namor - Framed Masterpieces
Medusa - Emerald Green
Three Tier 3 Cards (Iron Man, Moon Knight, Ghost Spider)
One Tier 4 Card (Captain America - Epic Purple)

A Venom card in this set would have been insane...if only.

[kyle1707]

Long video but cool

https://www.youtube.com/live/nsCyYcZ...i7x147cWuhXjAY

[MMguy]

How could I forget to mention the oddest thing I've come across while opening new Masterpieces packs...

I thought 1 of the 3 boxes was a little heavier so I opened that one first, and midway through, I pulled a pack that felt "plump".

After opening the seal of the pack, I realized the pack had 4 cards...

And anyone that's been opening this: do the back of your packs have small holes all along the back of the packs on only 1-side? They're aligned perfectly in rows of 2 and columns of 4.

[TimBuckTwo]

MMGuy - I this year opened a MM 2022 pack on epack and it yielded four cards.

BAM !

[MMguy]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

MMGuy - I this year opened a MM 2022 pack on epack and it yielded four cards.

BAM !

What! LOL. Awesome - I'm assuming you were able to keep the cards and UD/ePack didn't ask you to pay extra?

I wonder if Dyna would consider this an "error"

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by MMguy

And anyone that's been opening this: do the back of your packs have small holes all along the back of the packs on only 1-side? They're aligned perfectly in rows of 2 and columns of 4.

Probably a way to keep things aligned--either so the wrappers are all oriented one way or for the cards or for the packers to align them all correctly in the box.

[MMguy]

Originally Posted by glorbgorb

Probably a way to keep things aligned--either so the wrappers are all oriented one way or for the cards or for the packers to align them all correctly in the box.

Makes sense; I've never seen this before.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by MMguy

What! LOL. Awesome - I'm assuming you were able to keep the cards and UD/ePack didn't ask you to pay extra?

I wonder if Dyna would consider this an "error"

An error pack hard to preserve that error once opened though.

I actually just had like 3 or 4 packs in my blaster case of 92MM Platinum that had 4 cards instead of the 3 they were supposed to have. Nothing super fancy, like an extra cover variant or clear cut, but was pretty cool and I’m not complaining!

[DynaEtch]

I got just 1 box of this. One reason for doing so is I want one empty box and wrappers for the collection. Nothing to write home about value wise. Best hits were an Archangel orange, a mirage, a common character Framed, and a spider-man PA. The art is solid on this..and generally quite dark though.

These were the best looking cards in my box, I do like the style of the PA’s, they pop and it would be cool to get a redemption of one.

[Kobefan]

I don't understand the purpose of opening this product, especially if there are no characters you want to collect. Too hard to build a base set, and too many unpopular characters.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

I don't understand the purpose of opening this product, especially if there are no characters you want to collect. Too hard to build a base set, and too many unpopular characters.

It’s to gamble for a Grego sketch, big tier 4 card, big auto card, or redemption, etc.

I really hope this set somehow hits epack, as that helps with being able to collect it with the COMC dump. Otherwise it’s gonna be a challenge. This set is way too pricey for me, buying several boxes is out of the question. It’ll be the same as usual with this type of set I’m guessing, a lot will be opened by the usual youtube channels and influencers.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

It’s to gamble for a Grego sketch, big tier 4 card, big auto card, or redemption, etc.

I really hope this set somehow hits epack, as that helps with being able to collect it with the COMC dump. Otherwise it’s gonna be a challenge. This set is way too pricey for me, buying several boxes is out of the question. It’ll be the same as usual with this type of set I’m guessing, a lot will be opened by the usual youtube channels and influencers.

Sketch card, redemption, I understand, big tier 4 card, I guess so, but his auto card, when renowned comic book artists' auto are going for less their non-auto parallel in platinum set? Sometimes, I don't understand this hobby.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Sketch card, redemption, I understand, big tier 4 card, I guess so, but his auto card, when renowned comic book artists' auto are going for less their non-auto parallel in platinum set? Sometimes, I don't understand this hobby.

For sure. I think it’s because MM autos have been ‘a thing’ since MM16 and the Jusko autos. It’s being a Masterpieces parallel /10 more than anything. Look back at the Jusko’s…he might just have the most signatures of any comic artist out there, by a large margin too….with how many cons he’s been to, how much 92MM stuff he’s signed. It’s a very common sig and an IP sig of his goes for like $20 tops. While a MM16 Jusko Spidey auto goes for like $5k or whatever it goes for.

[Xazark]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

Sketch card, redemption, I understand, big tier 4 card, I guess so, but his auto card, when renowned comic book artists' auto are going for less their non-auto parallel in platinum set? Sometimes, I don't understand this hobby.

There is no chance his /10 auto will go for less than non-auto parallels in MM. They are major hits. The reason they go for low in platinum is the sheer number of parallels imo, there were like 32 right? Just crazy.

[Xazark]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Long video but cool

https://www.youtube.com/live/nsCyYcZ...i7x147cWuhXjAY

Awesome video, around 1hr 23mins 20sec he confirms that only the 90 card base set is original art, all other art is taken from other sets. they keep mentioning a legendary set? I assume this is a TCG set?

Anyway I know there was some conjecture a few pages back, but he confirmed again he only did 90 original art for this.

He also mentions early in the stream that the way he did the Prelim art is via digital copy onto projector to re-sketch, so the prelim art is more of an original black and white recreation than actual prelim art, they sort of indicate that is how DDS did his prelim art too. This is not to take anything away from the artist as they look amazing, better than the previous years imo and I would definitely be happy to pull a redemption for one of them!

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

These were the best looking cards in my box, I do like the style of the PA’s, they pop and it would be cool to get a redemption of one.

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That's a great looking card -- I momentarily thought it was an actual comic cover. It's definitely cover worthy.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Xazark

Awesome video, around 1hr 23mins 20sec he confirms that only the 90 card base set is original art, all other art is taken from other sets. they keep mentioning a legendary set? I assume this is a TCG set?

Anyway I know there was some conjecture a few pages back, but he confirmed again he only did 90 original art for this.

He also mentions early in the stream that the way he did the Prelim art is via digital copy onto projector to re-sketch, so the prelim art is more of an original black and white recreation than actual prelim art, they sort of indicate that is how DDS did his prelim art too. This is not to take anything away from the artist as they look amazing, better than the previous years imo and I would definitely be happy to pull a redemption for one of them!

So why do you think they went with digital first for the preliminary art? Is it quicker? Why not go paper first and then scan it?