Insane theft at the Dallas Card Show

[JRX]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Do you think it’s too difficult to secure your cards at these shows? This wasn’t a sophisticated crime.

Unfortunately, I think the value of these cards has greatly outpaced most dealers’ ability to properly secure them at a show. These larger shows are loud, crowded, and designed to optimize table space rather than table security. A show like Dallas probably has $25M+ in inventory laying out at any given time. It is the perfect target considering how casual dealers are about their tables.

I think this is a big point. This is big business now. Does anyone know what its like at jewelry conventions? If you have millions of dollars worth of merchandise, your first thought unfortunately has to be that people are going to want to steal it. Also, cameras don't mean jack unless the cops are actually going to investigate.

[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by JRX

I think this is a big point. This is big business now. Does anyone know what its like at jewelry conventions? If you have millions of dollars worth of merchandise, your first thought unfortunately has to be that people are going to want to steal it. Also, cameras don't mean jack unless the cops are actually going to investigate.

There was a prominent heist of like $100 million in jewelry being shipped between conventions a year or two back.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

There was a prominent heist of like $100 million in jewelry being shipped between conventions a year or two back.

Well there you go. I don't know how you properly protect this stuff anymore in a low trust society. As others have pointed out, its just a matter of a time before a flash mob hits one of these places.

[ShoutFan2020]

I bet the leader or whoever paid for the heist is on the camera footage as well.

Back in the days of retail management for me, you always had to keep a look out for the guy who would come into the store and just touch stuff. What was really happening is someone outside the store was watching the guy noting everything he was tagging. Then the guy leaves and the thief comes in later and attempts to steal the items so the leader person isn't implicated at the time.

At some point of the show, whoever organized the heist tagged that case to let the group know that's the one he wanted.

[Stifle]

The greatest theft is FRAUD. When groups get together, they protect their own interests, GREED. We all have greed or some vice, but it’s to what level we allow it to dictate our decisions? We see our politicians abusing their authority, I guarantee that in this hobby, the greatest form of theft is in groups that commit fraud, but it’s more within White Collar.

Look up MLB’s most damaging scandals - 2. Black Sox gambling / Fraud. 1. Ownership Collusion / Fraud, Both group based for big personal profit. Groups then help protect others because once the dominoes drop, everybody goes down. Once again, how many politicians are extremely wealthy on a $130,000 wage ? Very few members touch on this, but it’s destroying our Nation. Ask Ohio Lawyer about the two fore mentioned MLB cases and they were fraud cases.

Trevor Bauer, isn’t his situation being eyed as a fraud case?

[Bob Ross]

The dealers that are tabling this kind of inventory, why dont they spent $400/600/whatever a day to hire a strictly muscle or security guy that doesn't talk to customers and just protects stock?

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

The dealers that are tabling this kind of inventory, why dont they spent $400/600/whatever a day to hire a strictly muscle or security guy that doesn't talk to customers and just protects stock?

Why did that consignment company ship cards to a hotel for holding prior to a show instead of having someone specifically travel with them on their person?

Simple answer: cutting corners to save money.

[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by JRX

Well there you go. I don't know how you properly protect this stuff anymore in a low trust society. As others have pointed out, its just a matter of a time before a flash mob hits one of these places.

It is an interesting story. Somebody like Brinks was actually handling the shipping, they got hit at a truck stop, and the owners of the jewelry were under insured to save money. I don't believe it's been solved, or that any of the jewelry has been recovered.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by corndog

Cameras will be the thieves downfall.
They are everywhere.

Tracing backwards and reviewing hundreds of cameras takes time.

Camera's are "security theater" in many instances, because it's pretty easy for criminals to disguise their identity by wearing hats or masks.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by JRX

Also, cameras don't mean jack unless the cops are actually going to investigate.

And in many jurisdictions, the cops don't have the budget or manpower to seriously investigate non-violent crimes.

Sad to say, but unfortunately true....

[KhalDrogo]

The cops will investigate. We’re talking about a 7 figure theft that has made national news. And it’s Texas, not some west coast cesspool where crime is ignored.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by hammerva

A lot of people on here trying to swing their Johnson trying to prove their manhood to other men. I mean are we seriously talking about carrying loaded weapons to a card show.

And for the people acting this was a bunch of dumb guys who easily got away with, you didn't watch the video because you had at least 2 people doing distractions to get the one person to sneak with the case. Yeah they probably should have more people at the table although again this wasn't during peak time it was either before the show and after the show. Besides if they had 4 people, are we really going to believe that these people would have just given up. No they would have found another person to be part of the distraction

I usually take my best cards with me to gun shows, 'cuz you just never know...

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by mfw13

And in many jurisdictions, the cops don't have the budget or manpower to seriously investigate non-violent crimes.

Sad to say, but unfortunately true....

Local law enforcement is definitely investigating this crime. I believe in the IG video, an actual detective is reviewing the video that was shared. It's not petty theft and the optics of not giving a sh*t would be terrible for the local economy. I would hope the FBI is involved as well.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by hammerva

A lot of people on here trying to swing their Johnson trying to prove their manhood to other men. I mean are we seriously talking about carrying loaded weapons to a card show.

If you've ever went someplace where there is a lot of money changing hands and you believed that nobody was carrying a concealed weapon, then those that were achieved exactly what they wanted to achieve. For the vast majority that do carry, it has nothing to do with proving their manhood.They'll do their thing, you do yours.

[kobemagee29]

Originally Posted by corndog

Cameras will be the thieves downfall.
They are everywhere.

Tracing backwards and reviewing hundreds of cameras takes time.

Do you think maybe that had facial disguise's, fake tattoos, ect

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Local law enforcement is definitely investigating this crime. I believe in the IG video, an actual detective is reviewing the video that was shared. It's not petty theft and the optics of not giving a sh*t would be terrible for the local economy. I would hope the FBI is involved as well.

I'm sure that they are investigating....the question is how long they will continue to investigate if they don't make a quick breakthrough.

Generally speaking, law enforcement agencies look for "quick wins". If they don't make any arrests within the first 48-72 hours or announce the names of "persons of interest", that tells you that they have no idea who the perps are and that the trail has likely already gone cold.

And then the case gets buried under more recent and higher priority cases, and/or assigned to a detective who is also investigating 5-10 other cases simultaneously.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by kobemagee29

Do you think maybe that had facial disguise's, fake tattoos, ect

That's the thing about so many cameras out there. You can often capture footage both before and after disguise and other footage that can help identify suspects even if they are disguised during the theft.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by mfw13

I'm sure that they are investigating....the question is how long they will continue to investigate if they don't make a quick breakthrough.

Generally speaking, law enforcement agencies look for "quick wins". If they don't make any arrests within the first 48-72 hours or announce the names of "persons of interest", that tells you that they have no idea who the perps are and that the trail has likely already gone cold.

And then the case gets buried under more recent and higher priority cases, and/or assigned to a detective who is also investigating 5-10 other cases simultaneously.

As someone who prosecutes crime for a living, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Carry on.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

As someone who prosecutes crime for a living, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Carry on.

No, I've watched TV, that's exactly what happens.

There isn't even a single PSA-10 in that case. I hope someone checked the dumpsters...those guys probably tossed it all after the didn't find any gems.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by mfw13

I'm sure that they are investigating....the question is how long they will continue to investigate if they don't make a quick breakthrough.

Generally speaking, law enforcement agencies look for "quick wins". If they don't make any arrests within the first 48-72 hours or announce the names of "persons of interest", that tells you that they have no idea who the perps are and that the trail has likely already gone cold.

And then the case gets buried under more recent and higher priority cases, and/or assigned to a detective who is also investigating 5-10 other cases simultaneously.

This is about as high priority as it will get.

[towerymt]

I really enjoy looking at their inventory whenever I've seen them set up at Chantilly. There's a signed '57 Koufax I had my eye on...wasn't on the list, so hopefully I'll see it again next time around at Chantilly.

[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The cops will investigate. We’re talking about a 7 figure theft that has made national news. And it’s Texas, not some west coast cesspool where crime is ignored.

Texas is the San Francisco of sports card crime. It's had the Panini office burglary, stolen superfractors, and now this.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by towerymt

No, I've watched TV, that's exactly what happens.

There isn't even a single PSA-10 in that case. I hope someone checked the dumpsters...those guys probably tossed it all after the didn't find any gems.

This is actually funny and I can see it happen.


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[rms13]

I'm not pushing any conspiracy theories but why would someone ever leave a case unattended when it is small enough to walk away with and contains millinos of dollars worth of cards? Being in Texas I would have someone with a concealed carry standing guard the entire time or I'd have it chained to my wrist like the nuclear football.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

As someone who prosecutes crime for a living, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Carry on.

Depends on where you are. If it was where I live they probably wouldn't get caught and if they did they'd be on the street in a day with no consequences. We just had a rich Austrailian tourist murdered over some shopping bags at the mall the other day by three guys with records. One has been arrested like 6 times in the last year for violent crime and the last time he was let our by George Gaconw without going to trial. You must not have a Soros DA where you live. If you are a cop in a place where nothing is going to get prosecuted but you could get killed trying to apprehend the criminal why would you bother?