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easy. it is not kaj's job to leave meat on the bone for flippers to make a profit. |
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you may be surprised how quickly this catches on. remember, 40 years ago, there was no tiered pricing structure. everything changes. if you dont like his policy, dont purchase an auto
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I also very much enjoy paying for something ahead of time, then being told I have to pay more once I get there. Especially if I had to pay money to gain entrance to the place first. |
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Be upfront (and honest) with pricing. It's pretty simple.
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#106 | |
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This issue is people paid his advertised price for his auto and then when they arrived they were asked for more money. A card graded PSA 6 was graded an 8 by his handler so KAJ could extort more money out of his auto. That is just dishonest. |
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But it's ok if you are down with Kareem and his handler being greedy and screwing people over deciding they can change prices to whatever they want them to be. |
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Can his handler get hired by PSA and become the person I submit all orders to? I have some lower grade vintage I would love to get slabbed 8's, 9's, and 10's
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He's charging for the condition of the item based on his own personal rep's opinion -- not for different items like every other athlete. Feel free to follow along. |
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no, I fully understand. He is charging a stepped rate based on his reps evaluation of the condition of each rookie. What is the problem? dont want to pay, dont have him sign.
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How is anyone getting screwed? The signage at the event was very clear as to how his signing would be conducted.
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The problem is that wasn't advertised when the autograph tickets were sold. It was sprung on collectors at the show. A lot of people did get refunds and it makes KAJ look like a jerk.
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to the second point, there was signage posted as to how the signing would go. If you did not like the upcharge, you could easily get a refund from tri star and not get your item signed. this is very very similar to how PSA works. this will become much more common in the autograph game i would imagine. |
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perhaps the promoter got it wrong? I dont know if KAJ's people neglected to tell tri star or if they dropped the ball. who knows. It is very clear on his website. I do not see a problem with an older athlete getting what he can get for his auto. I would imagine most people who are paying thousands to have a premium item signed are going to be planning on flipping it and are upset because that business model seems to be heading down the toilet.
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I think the issue is the handler thinking she knows more than PSA… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I also don't recall any mention on the TriStar or National website that Kareem's pricing would match his website. Charge what you want, but just be upfront about it. If the card is graded a PSA 4, don't charge PSA 8 prices just because some old lady says so.
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A lot of times when guys win rings, we just assume the magnitude/contribution towards of each ring is the same. Kobe won 5 rings, but his role on the team for those first 3 was very different than the other 2. MJ, Russell, Bird, LeBron were all the main guys on their teams for all their chips. Duncan, Kobe, Curry, even Shaquille weren't all the #1 alphas on every single championship team they played on, which is fine. It's a team sport and winning a championship is still incredibly difficult. But sometimes we as the debating public are too lazy when we argue. Anyway, agree with the Kareem assessment.
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Someone cracked a PSA 6 in front of her and she argued it should be on the higher pay scale and a PSA 8 and demanded more money. She can't claim she is the judge and jury on grades, then use other companies grading scales for pricing... then ignore those very same companies grading scales.
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And ignoring PSA's already graded score and saying its actually a PSA 8 , when there is literal evidence they graded it a 6.
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Then, its either you leave the line, after wasting all that time. And go wait in another line for your refund. Or you pay the extortion money on the up charge right then and now after she alone assigns your cards grade. It really sucked for those who cracked out his RC from slabs. If the handler disagreed on the grade PSA, SGC or BAS already gave the card. And she thinks it was undergraded. You either pony up the cash to get it signed. Or be stuck having to pay to get that card re-graded again. Quote:
He is paid to sign my item, not share in any potential profits. It makes zero difference to him, if he is signing a blank piece of paper or a gem mint RC. Either take 5 seconds of his time. Who says anyone is allowed to share in any potential gains or losses on items getting signed? Since the advent of paid signings, it cost one amount to sign small flats, and more to sign larger things. Jerseys, helmets, larger photos took more time to do. And that is more of the signers time you are using. And thus, it costs more for the promoter who typically pays the player by their time. If you want inscriptions, that costs more since it takes more time. People understand these up sells. Would KAJ charge me less, if I had him sign a cheap Walmart replica basketball VS an authentic model? The Walmart ball is worth less money after being signed than the game ball. No. The price to sign a ball, is the price to sign a ball. People aren't mad that they have to pay more for different things. People are mad that they have to pay more, for the same things. |
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since Magic got in here he is 1000 for a RC no matter the grade. 99 on any other card
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#125 | |
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Who says anyone is allowed to share in the profits? I guess KAJ does. |
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