Jordan Star rookie question

[swong3]

Originally Posted by Diana1984

what about this one? its not graded. is it real?https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-198...wAAOSwWU1gC7Q8

I'm not an expert but the centering is off. I believe real cards are shifted to the left with a slight tilt. I don't recall seeing any Star 101s in BGS holders centered like this one

[Diana1984]

no apologies necessary. I was kidding. But, seriously it seems that some of these fakes must be pretty good. Cause I cant tell. It seems that if its not in a Beckett holder, everyone just says its fake. Could there be a chance that one of these ungraded cards is the real deal?

[jgrann13]

never buy a raw one. be patient maybe this is just a quick drive on the card. watch the 8 thats at auction now. maybe it finishes below the 25k number

[agsstructures]

Originally Posted by Diana1984

lol! Im sorry, I know Im missing something. What makes that card a fake? I see the "REB" is correct.

I wouldn't buy a Star 101 ungraded. I'm just not experienced enough.

[Brent72]

Originally Posted by jgrann13

never buy a raw one. be patient maybe this is just a quick drive on the card. watch the 8 thats at auction now. maybe it finishes below the 25k number

Don't think the 8 will finish below $25k, but the 7 most likely will.

[Diana1984]

Ok Ive been doing some snooping. The consensus is the 86 Fleer Jordan has more fakes than the Jordan Star. But I notice that collectors can identify the real vs the fake 86 fleers and are bought raw and later graded. Why doesnt this apply to the star card? Is the 86 fleer easier to spot the fakes? If the Star card is less faked than the 86 fleer. Does it makes sense that there has to be some ungraded Star cards floating around out there that are real? I know everyones logic is "well if its not graded then it cant be real, cause nobody in their right mind would not grade such an expensive card?"

[Brent72]

Originally Posted by Diana1984

Ok Ive been doing some snooping. The consensus is the 86 Fleer Jordan has more fakes than the Jordan Star. But I notice that collectors can identify the real vs the fake 86 fleers and are bought raw and later graded. Why doesnt this apply to the star card? Is the 86 fleer easier to spot the fakes? If the Star card is less faked than the 86 fleer. Does it makes sense that there has to be some ungraded Star cards floating around out there that are real? I know everyones logic is "well if its not graded then it cant be real, cause nobody in their right mind would not grade such an expensive card?"

I'm sure there are some real ungraded Star cards out there. Some of the ones on eBay might even be the real deal...it's just a matter of whether or not you want to take the gamble. Most people with a real one would have sent it to BGS by now to have it authenticated, but not everyone goes that route. I personally wouldn't buy one that either wasn't graded or wasn't in the sealed bag, but that's just me.

[agsstructures]

Originally Posted by Brent72

I'm sure there are some real ungraded Star cards out there. Some of the ones on eBay might even be the real deal...it's just a matter of whether or not you want to take the gamble. Most people with a real one would have sent it to BGS by now to have it authenticated, but not everyone goes that route. I personally wouldn't buy one that either wasn't graded or wasn't in the sealed bag, but that's just me.

100% agreed

[Brent72]

Here's how crazy Star Jordan stuff is getting. I just got outbid on the 10 card bag set that was sitting on eBay for the past week at around $1500-1600. Went to $4850 in the final seconds!

[Diana1984]

Here is another one. I see the seller is CYAing himself by saying its a reprint. But Ive been looking back and forth and I cannot tell the difference between the this one and one that is graded. What am I missing?https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-198...0AAOSw8KRgDkks

[Totalpackage]

Not to say the 84 Star Jordan 101, the other 86 Star Jordan have raised the prices yesterday which I was almost decide to buy...

[jgrann13]

the guy is selling custom adult t shirts oh and by the way I have this 101.

oookkay

[Diana1984]

Originally Posted by Brent72

Here's how crazy Star Jordan stuff is getting. I just got outbid on the 10 card bag set that was sitting on eBay for the past week at around $1500-1600. Went to $4850 in the final seconds!

That happens alot. My hubby has lost tons of these auctions in the last seconds.

[Diana1984]

I havent heard back from the one for $25k. I found this one and it is at $24K and its an 8.5, which is higher than the 7 or 8.

[Diana1984]

sorry here is the one I found. its not on ebay.https://goldinauctions.com/1984_85_S...-LOT73052.aspx

[rj.cataldo]

The goldin will go over 30k easy. I’m sure even above $35k.

I’m in the minority on this forum, but my view is don’t buy into the hype. A few things - I do think this card is massively undervalued and appreciated relative to the 1986 Fleer and other cards given the low pop, but EVERYTHING is overvalued right now.

I personally wouldn’t chase the hype. People will say Jordan’s will never go down - they have, they will again. Everything is manic right now and there is a lot of blind hype buying.

In full disclosure, I own an 8.5 101 so I think it’s a great card, but I’m not a believer in the sustainability of the market in general long term.


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[Brent72]

Originally Posted by Diana1984

I havent heard back from the one for $25k. I found this one and it is at $24K and its an 8.5, which is higher than the 7 or 8.

You have to factor in a 20% buyer's premium with Goldin Auctions so that card is already at $28,800 actually and I guarantee it will go for around $35k or higher when all is said and done.

[Diana1984]

Originally Posted by rj.cataldo

The goldin will go over 30k easy. I’m sure even above $35k.

I’m in the minority on this forum, but my view is don’t buy into the hype. A few things - I do think this card is massively undervalued and appreciated relative to the 1986 Fleer and other cards given the low pop, but EVERYTHING is overvalued right now.

I personally wouldn’t chase the hype. People will say Jordan’s will never go down - they have, they will again. Everything is manic right now and there is a lot of blind hype buying.

In full disclosure, I own an 8.5 101 so I think it’s a great card, but I’m not a believer in the sustainability of the market in general long term.



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Thanks for the advice. $25K is alot to spend on a card and Im on the fence with half saying dont wait and the other half saying be patient. Lol! Im even alittle confused by your post. You say in the same sentence that the card is undervalued and then you say everything is overvalued. Alot of you guys talk like politicians on this thing? Lol!

[Brent72]

Honestly, I wouldn't expect much of a dip in any vintage MJ stuff anytime soon. Maybe it has gone down in the past, but we're in an entirely different market now and the prices being set will either stabilize or continue to rise. You won't be picking up any of his Fleer or Star cards at a significant discount anytime soon and probably not ever.

[Totalpackage]

If you check the population and the number of countable rookies of LeBron James, you will have a general idea about how these Star Jordans should worth. According to Beckett's pop report, the entire population for 9.5 Star Jordans is 1270 which include all 22 Star Jordans cross the year 1984-1986, and I am talking about cards with three decades history in Gem Mint holders. On the other hand, I would only use 2003 Topps LeBron rookie as an example, and the population for them is 8497 BGS 9.5 and 1854 PSA 10. Again, LeBron has so many countable rookie cards from Topps, Upper Deck, Fleer, Bowman etc, but Jordan only has Star and Fleer. For the Star Jordans, I would say believe the hype.

[rj.cataldo]

Originally Posted by Diana1984

Thanks for the advice. $25K is alot to spend on a card and Im on the fence with half saying dont wait and the other half saying be patient. Lol! Im even alittle confused by your post. You say in the same sentence that the card is undervalued and then you say everything is overvalued. Alot of you guys talk like politicians on this thing? Lol!

My comment was essentially that this card has long been under appreciated compared to other issues. It has long been undervalued compared to say the 1986 Fleer.

That said - that doesn’t mean an over $20k spike in an 8.5 in less than a month is normal appreciation. There are lots of people who will share lots of reasons why sports cards acting like cryptocurrency is justified and normal, but the bottom line is prices are spiking faster and crazier than ever before - and it’s not just in sports cards. I wouldn’t bet on that dynamic to be permanent. Does that mean everything will crash to pre-pandemic levels? Probably not, but some return to normalcy in society will take money out of the market.

I would also say, it seems like you are relatively new to this, or at least to this specific card and I would make sure to do your research before dropping $25k. Whatever is listed right now isn’t the last to be listed so don’t rush into a decision.


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[biggieruth]

I agree am just sitting back waiting myself to buy Jordan 101. The hype is too crazy and the economy is to unpredictable. I'm sit and wait into someone ready to sale that needs the extra money.

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[wj1984]

mean while we should share some pictures!

heres mine! the 65th star to be graded!

[Dontom]

Originally Posted by Diana1984

Ok Ive been doing some snooping. The consensus is the 86 Fleer Jordan has more fakes than the Jordan Star. But I notice that collectors can identify the real vs the fake 86 fleers and are bought raw and later graded. Why doesnt this apply to the star card? Is the 86 fleer easier to spot the fakes? If the Star card is less faked than the 86 fleer. Does it makes sense that there has to be some ungraded Star cards floating around out there that are real? I know everyones logic is "well if its not graded then it cant be real, cause nobody in their right mind would not grade such an expensive card?"

Yes there are more fakes of the 86 fleer then the 101. Yes some collectors can identify the fake fleer rookies but that is true about the 101 Jordan as well. In fact I think the fake 101's are even easier to spot then most of the fleer fakes. At this point almost all of both of those cards for sale raw are fake/reprint. Of course real ones are out there of both cards raw but it's pretty rare and I wouldn't recommend buying raw unless you really know what to look for.

At this point for under 25k I think the bgs 7 for auction is your best option. I have a feeling the bgs 8 esp after taxes are added in will be over 25k. You can also wait for 7.5 or another 7 to go to auction but you don't know when that will be and who knows what the prices will be at that point in time.

[Totalpackage]

I wish I had the money to grab 101 but my budget can only support me on 86 Star Jordans.