Let’s talk ‘90s UD Collector’s Choice

[Round Mound]

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

Foreign golds have gold sigs on a base type of front, US golds have an all foil front

I know that, was just wondering if Saraste did.

[ConcordXI]

Originally Posted by Round Mound

I know that, was just wondering if Saraste did.

Yeah, I don't think he understood my post. I don't have any gold foil 1994-95 ones so I just posted that pic with the 1995-96 platinum to show a comparison between a foil and a non-foil one. That particular Grant non-foil is an international one, supporting frisbeesteve's thought on the international versus U.S. part. Tanana's post on page 3 clearly shows that there are both foil and non-foil 1994-95's out there.

[Saraste]

I completely brain-locked guys! I should know better as I opened enough of both years to have put together the 94-95 silver signature and 95-96 player's club sets.

Just for the heck of it, I went onto COMC and searched for the gold signatures of the "subsets". I saw several of both the foil and non-foil versions. I checked the Webber #401, where there are both versions. It looks like there are several "Northern European" versions like the Webber as the writing on the back is in English only.

[Leckske]

Great thread! (I'm a longtime lurker and actually registered myself to comment on this )

I actually bought 2 boxes of CC 2 weeks ago.
94-95 - series 2
96-97 - series 1

I started with the 94-95... Hoping to land a nice gold MJ.
First pack i open... Golden Kemp! (I actually was kinda bummed out that it was the first pack )




Then onto 96-97.
No big hits, but definately a fun rip.






I'm from Belgium, so the card hobby is pretty much dead over here.
It's either purchases & trades from Facebook or through eBay. So finding local stuff is nearly impossible.
But last week, i've found a strange add on a local "craigslist-like" site.
No pictures, everything written in CAPS and a very vague description. I immediately thought 'this has to be an old guy'. Turns out i was right... it was a senior, who was seriously ill. He told me he had 6 weeks to live . Based on the fact how he lived, i think he was literally alone. He started collecting NBA cards 8 years ago, just to keep him busy.

He had a collection over 100k cards.
60k cards was sorted in penny sleeves per player. +40k cards was still unsorted.

As it's a crazy amount of cards, i had no time to go through it all. Based on the first boxes i opened, it was mainly early 90s stuff. I didnt see anything big.
Now, i couldnt pass up on this because A) you won't find anything like this in Belgium B) The seller honestly wanted to give his collection a new home.

So long story short, i managed to get everything into my car.
In total, i estimate 800 to 900 pounds in cards.




I now have weeks of fun a head, of going through his collection.
So far i already hit plenty of CC silvers, golds and even some platinums.

I'll try to post them later on this week.

[byronscott4ever]

Originally Posted by Leckske

Great thread! (I'm a longtime lurker and actually registered myself to comment on this )

I actually bought 2 boxes of CC 2 weeks ago.
94-95 - series 2
96-97 - series 1

I started with the 94-95... Hoping to land a nice gold MJ.
First pack i open... Golden Kemp! (I actually was kinda bummed out that it was the first pack )




Then onto 96-97.
No big hits, but definately a fun rip.






I'm from Belgium, so the card hobby is pretty much dead over here.
It's either purchases & trades from Facebook or through eBay. So finding local stuff is nearly impossible.
But last week, i've found a strange add on a local "craigslist-like" site.
No pictures, everything written in CAPS and a very vague description. I immediately thought 'this has to be an old guy'. Turns out i was right... it was a senior, who was seriously ill. He told me he had 6 weeks to live . Based on the fact how he lived, i think he was literally alone. He started collecting NBA cards 8 years ago, just to keep him busy.

He had a collection over 100k cards.
60k cards was sorted in penny sleeves per player. +40k cards was still unsorted.

As it's a crazy amount of cards, i had no time to go through it all. Based on the first boxes i opened, it was mainly early 90s stuff. I didnt see anything big.
Now, i couldnt pass up on this because A) you won't find anything like this in Belgium B) The seller honestly wanted to give his collection a new home.

So long story short, i managed to get everything into my car.
In total, i estimate 800 to 900 pounds in cards.




I now have weeks of fun a head, of going through his collection.
So far i already hit plenty of CC silvers, golds and even some platinums.

I'll try to post them later on this week.

Nice haul

[Leckske]

Update:
So 2 months ago, i bought a CC 94-95 Series 2 box as stated above.
I opened one pack and hit a golden Kemp. I was kinda bummed out, so i didn't even bother to open the other packs.

Last night, a friend visited me and we decided to rip the remaining packs.
Man what a box! This had to be one of the hottest boxes of CC ever!

We hit a ton of nice silvers, Shaq, Ewing, Malone, Mourning.
We hit a silver MJ
We hit 2 other gold sigs
AND
We hit a gold MJ !!!! thats right, 4 golds in 1 box !?
And to top it off, we hit an MJ error card. No silver foil on the card!

[Rob 23]

Good times. I finished the whole decade of dominance run from that set back then, will try to remember to post a picture when I get a chance.

[OddityCards]

Nice Int'l box break!!! So some will say "...what...it's all in English!" Well, yes, but it has the Int'l inserts in it, and NO crash the game cards! Base cards are all numbered the name, only difference is the Gold Signature cards are NOT the normal foil/gold versions are as you can see above, MUCH more plentiful per box! Also the MJ Decade of Dominance cards. They were only issued in Int'l boxes. So these are commonly referred to as "Northern European" or "Australia issue" or "UK issue" or "Int'l English."

Interested in the MJ error.

[Rob 23]

1994-95 Collectors Choice Decade Of Dominance 10 card set I completed when I was 12. The entire school was jealous of how much of a baller I was (not really, nobody cared )

[liva]

Bumping this thread with a question for the UD int'l experts! Thanks to meeker99 (huge shout-out!) I'm very close to finish my Int'l Perkins checklist... But I have an issue with this one:

1995-96 Collector's Choice International Northern European #54 Sam Perkins (LISTED AS SUCH BY BECKETT)

I have this one, in English only, and numbered differently than the main US set... According to Billy, who definitely seems to be an expert ;-) : “If you come across a Collector's Choice card from 1995-96 that looks like an American release but does not match the American Checklist...you have a British version in your hands.“

Only problem : it's not number 54, as listed by Beckett... So is it a mistake in Beckett's checklist or does another set in English exist? Any info highly appreciated, many thanks in advance!

[kukocitb]

Originally Posted by liva

Bumping this thread with a question for the UD int'l experts! Thanks to meeker99 (huge shout-out!) I'm very close to finish my Int'l Perkins checklist... But I have an issue with this one:

1995-96 Collector's Choice International Northern European #54 Sam Perkins (LISTED AS SUCH BY BECKETT)

I have this one, in English only, and numbered differently than the main US set... According to Billy, who definitely seems to be an expert ;-) : “If you come across a Collector's Choice card from 1995-96 that looks like an American release but does not match the American Checklist...you have a British version in your hands.“

Only problem : it's not number 54, as listed by Beckett... So is it a mistake in Beckett's checklist or does another set in English exist? Any info highly appreciated, many thanks in advance!

1995-96:
French Series I/II
German Series I/II
Italian Series I/II
Japanese Series I/II
Spanish Series I/II
N.Euro Series II only and inserts
Portuguese Series II only


This is info I got from Oddity cards. 54 is series 1 so it wasn't made. The foreign Collector's choice is some of the HARDEST to keep track of.

[liva]

Thanks a lot for your answer... I still don't really get it :

- Perkins original (main US set) is #264, so it should be part of series II shouldn't it?
- Where would this #54 come from (the other European version are #96 and Japanese in #306)
- What would this #96 in English be?

You are right, those are definitely difficult to understand!

All the best

[kukocitb]

Originally Posted by liva

Thanks a lot for your answer... I still don't really get it :

- Perkins original (main US set) is #264, so it should be part of series II shouldn't it?
- Where would this #54 come from (the other European version are #96 and Japanese in #306)
- What would this #96 in English be?

You are right, those are definitely difficult to understand!

All the best

Ok so series 1 USA goes to 210. Series 2 starts at 211 BUT it starts over the numbering at 1. subtract 264-210= 54 which is where the number comes from. I know that there are some foreign editions are only able to be told apart by the package it is pulled out of. I think this card is that case.

Does that make sense?

[liva]

Many thanks for helping me with this!

Yes, I think your explanation for the #54 is totally correct... So, in this case, there is the numbering to tell apart the Perkins card in the US main set and this one...

It still doesn't explain though what is the card #96, in English, that I showed above ;--)

[ikelove500]

beckett has been wrong before. Not sure if this is an example of that or not. I will let the experts weigh in on this particular card

[kukocitb]

Originally Posted by liva

Many thanks for helping me with this!

Yes, I think your explanation for the #54 is totally correct... So, in this case, there is the numbering to tell apart the Perkins card in the US main set and this one...

It still doesn't explain though what is the card #96, in English, that I showed above ;--)

my brain is not firing on all cylinders during this quarantine.... LOL some of the numbering of these are unexplainable. Beckett does not always have the correct checklist. There was a random Kukoc listed as number 279 but I can find no record of it. I wish I had more info but I think that is all I have.

Originally Posted by ikelove500

beckett has been wrong before. Not sure if this is an example of that or not. I will let the experts weigh in on this particular card

I couldn't agree more. I think all card sites have mistakes on them. Some cards were never made.

[hattrickj333]

Although this is an old thread, it looks like the people in the know about this set have previously been replying.

I'm looking for the Scottie Pippen from 1994-95 Spanish II Blueprints Gold Signature set. It is card number 156. If someone has it that can spare it that would be awesome. Alternatively, if anyone can advise any leads e.g. places to look, people to ask etc.

[mbrahv1984]

I loved these cards growing up! I started buying Gold MJ's and Platinum Medallion's now that I can afford them and being that they were impossible to pull lol.

[90skid]

Love to see this thread bumped, I love these sets! Pure nostalgia for me collecting when I was young as well.

[r338]

Originally Posted by mbrahv1984

I loved these cards growing up! I started buying Gold MJ's and Platinum Medallion's now that I can afford them and being that they were impossible to pull lol.

Love the 1994 gold for basketball and baseball. I wish they continued to use gold parallels.

The Platinum Players Club the following year look too similar to the regular player club..

[kkkz]

Great thread, bring back a lot of memories, ripping dollar packs looking for those gold signature and platinum..
Felt great to have player i collect on these sets...

[pingbling23]

Collectors choice was the best. Spent a dollar, felt like you pulled $10 worth, but could sale for 50 cents lol.

[exclusively_nba]

Originally Posted by frisbeesteve

You correctly answered your own question, as all of the non-metallic surface gold signatures are basically non-U.S. releases, and were much easier pulls from those products. The backs of those cards will shed the necessary light on which international release they were from, where the ones that are entirely in English will be the "Northern European" or possibly even Australian release.

Bringing this thread back to make sure I understand correctly. Basically the metallic / shiny cards that are listed on eBay as “Gold Signature Foil” cards are the US release version of Gold Signature (which is why Beckett and PSA label them that way without mentioning foil). And the base-looking cards with gold signatures stamped on them are the Gold Signature version from international releases?

I have a couple of the Jordan Foils and I’m constantly confused to see the metallic / shiny cards and the base-looking cards slabbed with the exact same language when they’re very obviously two different things. Does this mean that ANY of the base-looking cards with the gold signature should be labeled as “Gold Signature - French/German/European/etc”?

[hattrickj333]

Originally Posted by exclusively_nba

Bringing this thread back to make sure I understand correctly. Basically the metallic / shiny cards that are listed on eBay as “Gold Signature Foil” cards are the US release version of Gold Signature (which is why Beckett and PSA label them that way without mentioning foil). And the base-looking cards with gold signatures stamped on them are the Gold Signature version from international releases?

I have a couple of the Jordan Foils and I’m constantly confused to see the metallic / shiny cards and the base-looking cards slabbed with the exact same language when they’re very obviously two different things. Does this mean that ANY of the base-looking cards with the gold signature should be labeled as “Gold Signature - French/German/European/etc”?

In 1994-95 nba collectors choice i don't think that there is enough evidence to determine that there was an official Northern European set. In 1995-96 there is. The reason being is that there only appears to be non-foil golds in one or two sub-sets and not all the ones that are include in the foreign language releases e.g. there are no tip off or the rookie subset that is at the end of series 2, but there are Blueprints (which are also in series 2).

I now have every Scottie Pippen card from 1994-95, 1995-96, 1997-98 Collector's choice, but I'm still missing one Japanese language version of 1 of the you Crash the games from 1996-97

I would be interested to know if there is anything else that I am missing, but it would be very frustrating

[exclusively_nba]

Originally Posted by hattrickj333

In 1994-95 nba collectors choice i don't think that there is enough evidence to determine that there was an official Northern European set. In 1995-96 there is. The reason being is that there only appears to be non-foil golds in one or two sub-sets and not all the ones that are include in the foreign language releases e.g. there are no tip off or the rookie subset that is at the end of series 2, but there are Blueprints (which are also in series 2).

I now have every Scottie Pippen card from 1994-95, 1995-96, 1997-98 Collector's choice, but I'm still missing one Japanese language version of 1 of the you Crash the games from 1996-97

I would be interested to know if there is anything else that I am missing, but it would be very frustrating

Oh, shoot...I thought I had finally figured it out, haha! Mine is the 1994 version, so I was hoping I could figure out the Pop count, because it's clearly a lot lower for the foil cards than the PSA numbers suggest.