09-10 Stephen Curry NT RPA Platinum Sale ?

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Ok cool. Hopefully he shows up on here to shed more light on this, and if he dealt directly with Eric or not.

Yes. I agree.

[the27guy]

Sadly, this is the answer....

I remember buying it direct from someone...I remember thinking it was fake and he somehow convinced me the white ones were rare ����#@♂️ Because another white jersey patch sold. I since got a new phone (several) and don’t have anyone’s numbers anymore

[james23wcr]

Quickly put this together.

[james23wcr]

It's not 100% and there are tiny little movements (I didn't want to change perspectives or anything like that) but the top border changes dramatically.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by buybuymj

I don't know, but he's not a person who purchased 49/99 w/ original weak patch. Probably he just bought it as a fake patch.



This is the guy who bought the original 49/99:



https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/14...p2047675.l2565



https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/141588652...2047675.l10137







https://imageshack.com/a/img922/577/UxtAYF.png

I just messaged the seller of that card through thebay to see if he would be willing to look up who he sold the card to. If he responds I'll report back. Hopefully he's a member here and can directly speak on the matter.

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[cking]

Do you guys have any thoughts or ideas about what the grading companies can do better in terms of spotting altered cards?

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by james23wcr

Quickly put this together.

It looks like the right side expands too, which doesn't make sense.

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[buybuymj]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

I just messaged the seller of that card through thebay to see if he would be willing to look up who he sold the card to. If he responds I'll report back. Hopefully he's a member here and can directly speak on the matter.

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Yeah let us know either way, I just found out that I had some nice convos with bmt_42099 before. If he doesn't respond I'll try to shoot him a message.

[james23wcr]

Yeah, that's the only part I couldn't match up without manipulating the dimensions of the photo (ie. not correcting one of the scans which may have come in at a slightly different angle). Hopefully someone else can give it a go and correct it up a bit.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

It looks like the right side expands too, which doesn't make sense.

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Yeah. I was going to say the same thing.

I think it has to do with the angle of the card. Some pics tend to show that third dimension. Kinda need to pictures from straight on. Or at least the same angle.

[buybuymj]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Sadly, this is the answer....

I remember buying it direct from someone...I remember thinking it was fake and he somehow convinced me the white ones were rare ����#@♂️ Because another white jersey patch sold. I since got a new phone (several) and don’t have anyone’s numbers anymore

By the way how did he get the seller's number? I think he still must went through some eBay messsages whether seller offered direct or he did?

[Lee42]

Originally Posted by james23wcr

Yeah, that's the only part I couldn't match up without manipulating the dimensions of the photo (ie. not correcting one of the scans which may have come in at a slightly different angle). Hopefully someone else can give it a go and correct it up a bit.

I think its more the reflection of the inner plastic sleeve that makes it appear that the right edge gets wider.

Look at the bottom right corner it doesn't change but the reflection of the inner plastic on the 9.5 makes the card appear wider.

Clearly trimmed at the top.

[pejc300]

Every time I see these threads I think of Eric's manifesto when he chimed in on the Lebron altered thread. He spent so much time on that, talking about world peace and such nonsense. Still funny to me every time I read it.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by buybuymj

By the way how did he get the seller's number? I think he still must went through some eBay messsages whether seller offered direct or he did?

Probably correct. Unless it was a deal here or on another board.

I told him that it’s really important that he look into this and that his evidence may help us find who switched out the patch. While I don’t believe he had anything to do with the patch switching, he can help us here by showing who he got it from. Obviously we’re all interested in that.

I pointed out that he should be able to find info in his PayPal history. He said he’d look into it tomorrow. I’ll follow up with him tomorrow if I don’t hear back.

[buybuymj]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Probably correct. Unless it was a deal here or on another board.

I told him that it’s really important that he look into this and that his evidence may help us find who switched out the patch. While I don’t believe he had anything to do with the patch switching, he can help us here by showing who he got it from. Obviously we’re all interested in that.

I pointed out that he should be able to find info in his PayPal history. He said he’d look into it tomorrow. I’ll follow up with him tomorrow if I don’t hear back.

# 9025719 - 2009-10 Playoff National Treasures Platinum Curry 2/5 from BGS 8.5 to 9.5 trimmed
# 9025720 - 2009-10 Playoff National Treasures Curry /99 BGS 9 Patch Switched
# 9025721 - 2009-10 Playoff National Treasures Logoman AU Curry /5 which didn't pass grading for some reason

That's three straight high end Currys. We know limitedlogos was a high end Curry collector. So he's not 100% free with this, to say the truth. If it went through eBay he must have emails that show seller's user name. If it went through a board he still must have those messages I think, that show seller's eBay user name. I don't think he, or anybody would buy this kind of card with not even knowing seller's eBay feedback.

I have a plan. I want to catch the guy this time. We'll see.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Lee42

I think its more the reflection of the inner plastic sleeve that makes it appear that the right edge gets wider.

Look at the bottom right corner it doesn't change but the reflection of the inner plastic on the 9.5 makes the card appear wider.

Clearly trimmed at the top.

Yes, it is. They are different bgs holders and inner sleeves, with scanner glare in the 2nd photo. I made sure the actual cards, images on the cards, and text lined up perfectly to achieve a 1:1 scale on the cards themselves. It is very clearly trimmed on top.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

It looks like the right side expands too, which doesn't make sense.

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Please refer to my previous message...it's the glare on the second image from the scanner reflection on the inner sleeve that gives it this optical illusion. The cards themselves are perfectly overlayed to ensure the same dimensions, even though the holders may appear slightly different.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Please refer to my previous message...it's the glare on the second image from the scanner reflection on the inner sleeve that gives it this optical illusion. The cards themselves are perfectly overlayed to ensure the same dimensions, even though the holders may appear slightly different.

Ok, I see. It helped focusing on the right corner as it didnt expand. (Ahh I see lee42 pointed that out)

It seems pretty conclusive. What a sham(e).

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[Ross]

This stuff is getting worse and worse... Beyond frustrating.

[UltimateDeron]

I have an email from limitedlogos from July 2012 where he mentions his BO username is amaballa801. I do remember this user from a few years back.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Ok, I see. It helped focusing on the right corner as it didnt expand. (Ahh I see lee42 pointed that out)

It seems pretty conclusive. What a sham(e).

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So much high end in virtually every sport has been tarnished. It's a sad world we live in...

[Deadshot]

Some amazing stuff going on here. I just woke up and I'm gonna have to read it all again.

Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

I have an email from limitedlogos from July 2012 where he mentions his BO username is amaballa801. I do remember this user from a few years back.

I found his Photobucket and looked through all the stuff he used to own. There are some incredible cards in there. Including this Kris Bryant black refractor

http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/AM...l?sort=6&o=812

[KhalDrogo]

Quick summary here. Great work everyone.

This thread focuses on three cards, which were graded sequentially by BGS in January 2016. It originated after probstein made the sale of the first card in question on January 23, 2019 for $215,000 via best offer.

#9025719 - 2009-10 Playoff National Treasures Platinum Curry 2/5 BGS 9.5

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-10-Nat...app-cvip-panel



This is a very nice price for a very high end card. But wait! This card used to be in a BGS 8.5 slab when it sold in May 2015.

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/31...p2047675.l2565

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-rc-1728399257



So what happened? The card was unequivocally trimmed. L/R centering (when the card is vertical) went from 55.4/44.6 to 50/50. Sometime between May 2015 and January 2016, the card was trimmed. So do we know who owned it at this time? Well no. However, we do see that our good friend Eric from BNC did own the card at some point, as late as December 29, 2016.





So this led to some digging. The next card in the BGS sequence is:

#9025720 - 2009-10 Playoff National Treasures Curry 49/99 BGS 9



In July 2016 this card was sold on eBay.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...hen-1820846549

In September 2016, this card was sold again (likely different seller).

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...nal-1830134200

Well, problem. This card sold in March 2011. But with a different patch.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...auto-138132998



Great user buybuymj then chimes in with the goods. He has the link to the eBay auction of the July 2016 sale by seller limitedlogos.

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...2047675.l10137



So who is limitedlogos? Well, Adam (the27guy) happens to know him, as they are both from Utah.

Originally Posted by the27guy

Found him.

His name’s Tony. He and I met at the card shop I use to work at in Salt Lake. He completely crushed the Steph Curry market when Steph blew up in 2013-14-ish. Like completely destroyed it. He had everything. Several NT’s, logoman autos, 1/1’s, etc.

I texted him a few minutes ago and told him he was being accused of something. He asked what? And I, honestly only starting to pay attention when you decided to throw me in to this again, “Trimming maybe. Patch replacement maybe.” His response was a slap to the face emoji and then he said “I wish I could do that stuff”.

I asked “Mind if I tell everyone you said that?”

And he said “I seen on one page they posted a Curry I did own. I wish I still did”

I asked if I could use his first name and he said that was fine.

I think that’s all I know at this point. I’m pretty sure he’s a member here. He might be able to help. I’ll ask him if he can come here and provide any other details on where he got the card. That’s what we need to figure out who switched the patch.

Originally Posted by the27guy

Sadly, this is the answer....

I remember buying it direct from someone...I remember thinking it was fake and he somehow convinced me the white ones were rare ����#@♂️ Because another white jersey patch sold. I since got a new phone (several) and don’t have anyone’s numbers anymore

UltimateDeron then locates an email from him with his BO username.

Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

I have an email from limitedlogos from July 2012 where he mentions his BO username is amaballa801. I do remember this user from a few years back.

And Deadshot finds his photobucket, with a Kris Bryant black refractor that I had previously found through Worthpoint containing the same general description as the patch faked /99 Curry.

Originally Posted by Deadshot

I found his Photobucket and looked through all the stuff he used to own. There are some incredible cards in there. Including this Kris Bryant black refractor

http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/AM...l?sort=6&o=812

The final card in the trifecta is actually the biggest.

#9025721 - 2009-10 Playoff National Treasures Logoman AU Curry /5 (NO GRADE)

Now, can we figure out which copy this is? It's either a no grade due to the minimum not being met. Or a no grade due to being altered.

2/5: January 2013 in BGS 9 slab.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...onal-408671730

Then cracked and sold raw in May 2013.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ures-443070534

Regraded as a BGS 9 in August 2013. And then sold in September 2016.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...man-1831219031

3/5: March 2016 raw, March 2016 raw, May 2016 raw. All the same seller.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ures-443070534

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...nal-1808585504

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...nal-1812859960

4/5: Graded February 2016 as a BGS 9.5. Sold June 2017.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...man-1873119004

Only four copies of this card have been graded. And as I've shown, serial number 2/5 was graded twice as a BGS 9 (October 2010 and August 2013). The third copy is the BGS 9.5. The fourth copy was graded BGS 8.5 in February 2014.

My money is on this being the copy that was originally a no grade given the proximity of the BGS 9.5 slab to the no grade being issued. Because what are the chances that a card with only five copies in existence, comes in the door just a month after a previous copy was rejected due to either being altered or not meeting the minimum grade?

So where do we go now? The critical question that needs answering is where did limitedlogos acquire his BGS 9 49/99 before selling in July 2016. That is a short five month window between getting graded and being sold on eBay. Did he do the grading, or did he purchase it graded already? Because with damn near certainty, whoever graded that copy, was the individual who trimmed the 2/5 Platinum RPA that just sold. And I have very high suspicions that the 4/5 Logoman BGS 9.5 is also altered.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by exoticprince

Did anyone else notice this ending price ? According to the listing this just sold for $215k. I know it’s likely the best copy of his rpa money can buy but wow if sale goes through. Had it been his NT rc logoman auto 1/1 I’d understand. I do not own any Steph but I always like understanding the legitimacy of sales of this magnitude as I’m sure many others also do. Maybe probstein himself can confirm if it does go through

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-10-Nat...app-cvip-panel

How much is the Lebron RPA /99 worth today? Asking for a friend.

[theleica]

Here are my videos of the BGS 8.5 to BGS 9.5 transformation. As always I aligned, resized, and matched the perspective on both cards in Photoshop using opacity and free transformation.

When I looked last night I thought 3 edges were trimmed but upon spending more time aligning everything perfectly only the top edge is trimmed. I added blue guides around the edges of BGS 8.5 so you can visually see exactly where the BGS 9.5 gets smaller.

Here are the videos:

https://youtu.be/NC0OgTobr9g

https://youtu.be/tuaa1UnwsBs

https://youtu.be/hnjXgahfA4I