Is it ok to give a sketch artist feedback if something looks off?

[Super J]

Originally Posted by Faulkenburg

Exactly. He doesn't realize he's essentially asking if we prefer a brand new Ford Mustang, or a JPEG of one with different rims.

Since Ted is an artist and he charmed in, let's use Ted as an example (I hope Ted will not be offended because I read one of his response in this thread). If Ted painted 2 Leia sketches (one with bulbous nose, one with slim nose) and selling for the same price. For public record, which one would you choose? be honest here and don't try to avoid answering the question directly like Cujobyte did...

[Super J]

Originally Posted by joudenjouden

I haven't read through this thread at all but to answer your first question, for pack inserted sketches, no, it is what it is, no need to give feedback. For commissions that's difference and you can tell the artist.


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I agree.

And if you read some response from some members, they acted like they truly like the "original nose" and accept the commission "as-is" just because they don't want to hurt the artist feeling... deep down, I think they are lying to themselves and to the artist as well (these are my assumptions). By doing so, I think they're not helping the artists (who do this for a living) to build up their customer base...

[richo]

So it seems the artist has indeed announced he is leaving the Facebook group after the feedback from the two people. I think this is a shame.

[joudenjouden]

Yep. It saddened me to hear that. There was no reason to single any artist out on this thread and use that 3 card sketch as an example.

This is just the last thing I want to see in this hobby


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[kerg]

Originally Posted by kerg

No matter what the subject (art, driving, cooking, fashion, you name it...), I find that unsolicited feedback can frequently not end well regardless of the well meaning intentions.

Like I said several pages back.

Never been a fan of calling out a particular sketch card for 'quality' issues.

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by joudenjouden

Yep. It saddened me to hear that. There was no reason to single any artist out on this thread and use that 3 card sketch as an example.

This is just the last thing I want to see in this hobby


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I do feel bad, I never meant it as a witch hunt or asked for a photoshop, and it's not just this artist, plenty have facial items which could use a slight tweak.

I merely posted the example for context.

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[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by Super J

I agree.

And if you read some response from some members, they acted like they truly like the "original nose" and accept the commission "as-is" just because they don't want to hurt the artist feeling... deep down, I think they are lying to themselves and to the artist as well (these are my assumptions). By doing so, I think they're not helping the artists (who do this for a living) to build up their customer base...

I like the touched up ones, if they could have been the first choice. I would not have altered the sketch myself.

I do think critique is part of life and people need to be able to accept it.

I also like to go into a movie and give my opinion about it afterwards.

I appreciate telling a chef politely if the meal stinks or if it was superb.

I like complimenting a waitress or waiter that goes above and beyond.

[Cavaliercards]

I feel bad for the artist, but what if he did sketches for Topps and they sent some back with an issue or a comic book art or if he ever was in a gallery.

[Wyrm]

Originally Posted by Super J

I agree.

And if you read some response from some members, they acted like they truly like the "original nose" and accept the commission "as-is" just because they don't want to hurt the artist feeling... deep down, I think they are lying to themselves and to the artist as well (these are my assumptions). By doing so, I think they're not helping the artists (who do this for a living) to build up their customer base...

It's interesting. I honestly think you have no idea how disrespectful it is to alter an artist's work, let alone argue that you've improved it.

To then assume that anyone who disagrees with you is lying and/or deluding themselves is kind of remarkable.

And before you ask, yes, I prefer the original. It reflects the artist's style and choices. It has nothing to do with not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings, and everything to do with the way I understand art and the process of creation.

[Vargaman]

Do your wife's pants make her butt look big?

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[Super J]

Originally Posted by Wyrm

It's interesting. I honestly think you have no idea how disrespectful it is to alter an artist's work...

I'm guessing you do... because you consider yourself an artist now?

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

I feel bad for the artist, but what if he did sketches for Topps and they sent some back with an issue or a comic book art or if he ever was in a gallery.

Card company rejects don't provide reasons. They just don't pay for them and promise the rejects have been "destroyed" winkwink

[Super J]

Originally Posted by Wyrm

I only give feedback on changes when I'm asked for it. Just got done working with an artist who sent me pencils for approval that allowed me to ask for little tweaks. But that's what the artist WANTED. (And I still felt like a PITA when I asked for little tweaks...)

Why did you have to feel like a pita? I'm guessing... unless you didn't paid much? If you don't mind disclosuring the amount you paid...
..

[Super J]

Originally Posted by Wyrm

And before you ask, yes, I prefer the original. It reflects the artist's style and choices. It has nothing to do with not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings, and everything to do with the way I understand art and the process of creation.

Thank you for providing feedback. You are now the 2nd person voted for the look of the original.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, voluptuous women during 16th century were considered sexy and beautiful, comparing to 21th century victoria secret models (I personally prefer 21st century ).
With that being said, if artists want to consider drawing sketches as their profession and want to make a living out of it, I hope that they would adapt to the 21st century style/cater to customer taste. Otherwise, they would become a starving artist. I am just being straight, honest, realistic and practical here.

[Faulkenburg]

Originally Posted by Super J

Thank you for providing feedback. You are now the 2nd person voted for the look of the original.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, voluptuous women during 16th century were considered sexy and beautiful, comparing to 21th century victoria secret models (I personally prefer 21st century ).
With that being said, if artists want to consider drawing sketches as their profession and want to make a living out of it, I hope that they would adapt to the 21st century style/cater to customer taste. Otherwise, they would become a starving artist. I am just being straight, honest, realistic and practical here.

Can a mod do an IP check? The chip on this guy's shoulder is massive, feels like a PBM to me...

[Super J]

Not at all. Why do you think that?

[sammyjankis]

Originally Posted by Spacehindu

please do not alter my work, it is what it is. I will take the high road and leave it at that.

This guy has some serious talent. Check out some of his sketches in Rogue One S2: http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/s...l#post12141111

Not everyone will like everything you do. You can't help that. Just know that there are people that really enjoy your work and would be thrilled to pull one of your sketches.

[Super J]

I think this is a good thread to help both artists and collectors to have an open honest conversation.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by Super J

I think this is a good thread to help both artists and collectors to have an open honest conversation.

The internet is littered with the dead carcasses of these types of threads discussing sketch quality. Not sure it has done much other than piss off a bunch of people.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by richo

So it seems the artist has indeed announced he is leaving the Facebook group after the feedback from the two people. I think this is a shame.

It is a shame that the artist left, and I'm very disappointed that is the way he chose to handle this. Seems like he is punishing himself and his fans over the actions of a few...

Originally Posted by Super J

I think this is a good thread to help both artists and collectors to have an open honest conversation.

I feels more like a thread of people arguing with you.

[Super J]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

I feels more like a thread of people arguing with you.

I think so too

At least I look at this thread from a positive perspective that I hope it helps collectors who are shy, now feel more comfortable providing feedback to the artists that they commission with.

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by kerg

The internet is littered with the dead carcasses of these types of threads discussing sketch quality. Not sure it has done much other than piss off a bunch of people.

^this

[houdini]

Originally Posted by Super J

Nice job. I like the one on the right

Originally Posted by Super J

My hands were itchy after seeing this photoshop. I couldn't resist. So I had to perform a little "plastic surgery" on Luke, Leia, & Han

Why are you using 2 accounts from the same residential IP address and pretending you are 2 different people agreeing with yourself?

[houdini]

Originally Posted by Spacehindu

yes i am offended. I will be leaving the Facebook star wars card collector group as well as this forum. I don't do this for money, i do this because i love star wars. i don't need negativity of this form in my life.

Originally Posted by Super J

If you felt that I offended you, I apologize. It's not intentional. I saw people debating without solid material to base on. So, I just tried to provide data/choices... observing public opinion. peace!

So far, one member prefers the alter one. The other two members expressed their feeling that they would be happy with the original. But if they have 2 choices above and pay a few hundreds $, I'm curious which one they would choose.

Just for the record, he was using a second account to agree with himself. There never was another person agreeing.

If you want to leave the forum over it, ok, but maybe let the above sink in for a bit before you do.

[kerg]

Originally Posted by houdini

Why are you using 2 accounts from the same residential IP address and pretending you are 2 different people agreeing with yourself?