Connor Bedard

[Ehawk89]

Originally Posted by Satan

Despite Upper Deck's marketing efforts - Misa might not even be a top 5 pick in the 2025 draft.

The next big rookie will be Gavin McKenna (2026 draft).

Think that might be the year Matvei Michkov comes over to play in Philly. Might be a must buy year if Michkov end up in the same series.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by Satan

Despite Upper Deck's marketing efforts - Misa might not even be a top 5 pick in the 2025 draft.

The next big rookie will be Gavin McKenna (2026 draft).

I'm more going off the fact he was granted exceptional status.....or do you think he shouldn't of? (honest question) Only Day was drafted outside top 5 and only Wright besides him didn't go first that got it at 15

[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by anusinha

If they dont cut down production next year, the stuff will be on BF clearance for a decade. Stankoven? Will smith? Celebrini? looking like a 22/23 type class.

Originally Posted by Satan

Despite Upper Deck's marketing efforts - Misa might not even be a top 5 pick in the 2025 draft.

The next big rookie will be Gavin McKenna (2026 draft).

Whatever prospect ends up with Bedard will have a ton of unearned and irrational hype... and will blow past initial pricing of anyone from 22-23.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

... Maybe it's me but I get the vibe looking "out for the kids" is over for LCS, you used to have places that would give you a deal or sell closer to MSRP because they knew you were ripping and wanted to give you a break, now everyone is a flipper so I think most are numb now unless you're a lifelong customer or something...

Very much on point. Been a customer to the LCS since moving to the Valley in '97. Owner has been pretty good to me through the years.

[Satan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

I'm more going off the fact he was granted exceptional status.....or do you think he shouldn't of? (honest question) Only Day was drafted outside top 5 and only Wright besides him didn't go first that got it at 15

Joe Veleno slipped to the end of the first round too

Misa was almost denied exceptional status back in April 2022 except he went on a run towards the end of his season and they gave it to him. Like anything, there’s nuance to this. It did look like Misa was considering playing in the USHL (Chicago Steel, he would’ve joined Macklin Celebrini). The CHL wants to keep the best players in Canada.

[bub838]

My LCS was $250 hobby and $80 for tins. I told him he could have probably charged $120 for tins and they would have flown and he just shrugged. Said he was happy what he sold them for and they were a good option for people who couldn’t afford hobby.

Same LCS has been giving out the empty tins to kids for free.

Edit to add, of course I know he’s still making gobs of money on everything. But reading other people’s experiences, he could be a lot worse.

[NotGoSportsBall]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

People are paying those prices so most aren't gonna leave money on the table, especially when they go on FB Marketplace and see a guy selling them for that price if they don't. Maybe it's me but I get the vibe looking "out for the kids" is over for LCS, you used to have places that would give you a deal or sell closer to MSRP because they knew you were ripping and wanted to give you a break, now everyone is a flipper so I think most are numb now unless you're a lifelong customer or something. Hockey has also sat and been discounted for two years due to a mix of weaker rookie classes and people already saving for Bedard back then, so call it greed but many are bleeding out whatever they can for Bedard year as they don't know if/when this will happen again, and next year will likely revert back to full shelves. Misa will be popular but he isn't considered a Bedard level

My LCS owner pays his army of minions to scour every retail shelf in the metro area for hot product and then resells them at a markup in his store. He did this for Zion Prizm mania and is doing it again with S2. “For the kids” is just a smokescreen to get the adults in the store. Owner gives little Mikey a free pack of Topps update and proceeds to sell dad an S2 blaster for $100.

[brettmik59]

Originally Posted by NotGoSportsBall

My LCS owner pays his army of minions to scour every retail shelf in the metro area for hot product and then resells them at a markup in his store. He did this for Zion Prizm mania and is doing it again with S2. “For the kids” is just a smokescreen to get the adults in the store. Owner gives little Mikey a free pack of Topps update and proceeds to sell dad an S2 blaster for $100.

I don't even bother looking for retail these days. I know the neckbeards in sweatpants already got to it.

[kellmuff]

LCS's know that the card market will burst again at some point so they're going to bleed their customers during this run while they can

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by brettmik59

I don't even bother looking for retail these days. I know the neckbeards in sweatpants already got to it.

You have to at least look, especially in your travels. I found 2 tins on the shelf at a Target 20 minutes ago. Had they had more I would have grabbed to rip a couple more.

[Ehawk89]

Originally Posted by NotGoSportsBall

My LCS owner pays his army of minions to scour every retail shelf in the metro area for hot product and then resells them at a markup in his store. He did this for Zion Prizm mania and is doing it again with S2. “For the kids” is just a smokescreen to get the adults in the store. Owner gives little Mikey a free pack of Topps update and proceeds to sell dad an S2 blaster for $100.

I think I witness this yesterday at a Meijer. Go to the isle nothing there except the tags that were there for hangers and tins. I grab a few series 1 baseball hangers. As im leaving I see this dude rushing to the isle. As I'm done checking out i see the same dude with all the Series 2 in hand The dude must had someone that work there or someone come in there and hide it for him.

[zeus22]

Originally Posted by kellmuff

LCS's know that the card market will burst again at some point so they're going to bleed their customers during this run while they can

People who think that LCS's are padding their retirements from Series 2 sales or upcoming '23-24 products will be surprised to know that it's far from the actual real-world happenings.

In most cases to receive any Series 2 products they had to recommit to pick up even more & more '22-23 sku's that no-one wants to buy.

For example....buy 20 more cases of '22-23 Series 2 at $100US per box and then list it on the shelf at $60US per box just to try to recoup some cashflow. Yes...knowingly lose $40 per box to make $10 per box on Bedard Series 2.

It's the distributers, the middlemen (Universal / Grosnor), who are making out like bandits being able to clear out "dead-stock" products that no customer is actually looking for (Credentials/Clear Cut/SPGU/OPC Platinum from last year) by using the threat of cutting off any upcoming Bedard products.

Currently at my LCS you can get 5 hobby boxes of '22-23 Series 2 for the same price as 1 box of this years. So....in theory, the owner would lose $200US to make $10. But, thankfully that's not actually happening as no one is coming in to buy last years Series 2 so it just sits on the shelf.

[The_Reverend]

The crazy thing is 21-22 series 2 has so many more potential star rc YG, with some already producing. Those boxes are cheap comparatively. The 22-23 class has really sucked it up.

[potatozoo]

I gotta ask, just how many Bedard YG's have been printed? Reddit, twitter, FB, anywhere, people are posting they buy 3 blasters/tins they pull 2 or 3 Bedards, I mean its crazy how many I have seen pull multiples

[SidVish]

Originally Posted by kluke84

Anyone spending 5k for a YG PSA 10 is either a die hard Hawk fan doing a long term hold or an unserious person. McDavid YG 10s go for 2500-2700 currently.

Lol. I'm a die hard Hawks fan and just sit in amazement at prices. Selling for double McDavid is just bonkers.

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[fjf31970]

Bedard BGS POP REPORT

https://www.beckett.com/grading/pop-report

[brettmik59]

Even if you assume Bedard is the next McDavid, which is quite the assumption, you'd have to adjust for the pop count differential between him and McDavid. How many more Bedards will there be than McDavid? Paying $2500 for one is crazy. Let alone paying $5k lol - those folks need to be brought in for psychiatric evaluation.

[DaveedTO]

Originally Posted by fjf31970

Bedard BGS POP REPORT

https://www.beckett.com/grading/pop-report

6 BGS10
22 graded

[ThatGuyPal]

Those numbers really show how far Beckett has fallen off the grading scale for most customers

[zeus22]

Originally Posted by brettmik59

Even if you assume Bedard is the next McDavid, which is quite the assumption, you'd have to adjust for the pop count differential between him and McDavid. How many more Bedards will there be than McDavid? Paying $2500 for one is crazy. Let alone paying $5k lol - those folks need to be brought in for psychiatric evaluation.

The thing is Mcdavid is sorta like Mike Trout - exceptionally gifted at his sport but pretty "vanilla" on an intangible level. Neither seems to give a hoot about lack of notoriety. I can most certainly guarantee you that an avid Baseball card collector is not saying that they NEED a Mcdavid YG in their collection and vice versa. Plus....who in the US really cares about the Edmonton Oilers and nobody in Canada gives a damn about the Anaheim Angels for collectability. Either could walk down the street and pretty well go unnoticed by passersby.

Bedard though, may be one of the first to crossover to other sports collectors. If so, 50k YG's may not be nearly enough to satiate the collector market. Add that he plays for an Original Six team, is a Canadian and plays for a huge US market team.

Who knows??? Just my 2 cents.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by zeus22

The thing is Mcdavid is sorta like Mike Trout - exceptionally gifted at his sport but pretty "vanilla" on an intangible level. Neither seems to give a hoot about lack of notoriety. I can most certainly guarantee you that an avid Baseball card collector is not saying that they NEED a Mcdavid YG in their collection and vice versa. Plus....who in the US really cares about the Edmonton Oilers and nobody in Canada gives a damn about the Anaheim Angels for collectability. Either could walk down the street and pretty well go unnoticed by passersby.

Bedard though, may be one of the first to crossover to other sports collectors. If so, 50k YG's may not be nearly enough to satiate the collector market. Add that he plays for an Original Six team, is a Canadian and plays for a huge US market team.

Who knows??? Just my 2 cents.

They do feature the Oilers quite a bit stateside on ESPN/TNT national broadcasts all things considered for a Canadian team. I do think he has significant notoriety in the US. Market is not as impactful as it was 10-20 yrs ago where a big city increased value due to all the local TV packages. You.can watch.every game if you want to.

Trout is not a.bad comp for individual vs. Team success. I do.think the Oilers have a window for as long as McDavid plays. Trout not so much as in baseball it is harder for 1 player to have significant team impact.

Bedard could be a crossover athlete but it will takes several years to know.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by zeus22

The thing is Mcdavid is sorta like Mike Trout - exceptionally gifted at his sport but pretty "vanilla" on an intangible level. Neither seems to give a hoot about lack of notoriety. I can most certainly guarantee you that an avid Baseball card collector is not saying that they NEED a Mcdavid YG in their collection and vice versa. Plus....who in the US really cares about the Edmonton Oilers and nobody in Canada gives a damn about the Anaheim Angels for collectability. Either could walk down the street and pretty well go unnoticed by passersby.

Bedard though, may be one of the first to crossover to other sports collectors. If so, 50k YG's may not be nearly enough to satiate the collector market. Add that he plays for an Original Six team, is a Canadian and plays for a huge US market team.

Who knows??? Just my 2 cents.

He’s a crossover because of Chicago?

Good luck with that

The Trout comparison is fine…. That just makes Bedard like Bryce Harper

Not as good but more media friendly

[ThatGuyPal]

Bedard is more Trevor Lawrence than Joe Burrow.

Good, clean looks made for tv screens (and sports card boxes lol), but don't really have that extra flash or unspoken charisma the way Burrow does. That being said I don't think hockey really encourages that either compared to the NBA or NFL, they don't want another Sean Avery lol

Trout and Mcdavid have the highest modern rookies so it's not bad company but I doubt he influences other collectors that much. You're kind of seeing it right now, Wemby is the Bedard of basketball but how many people on here are buying up Wemby? I'd guess pretty low and vice versa yeah there's clearly some basketball/football guys opening looking for Bedard but I think most are just looking for a quick flip as it's been awhile since something this good out of retail or even hobby with the odds was possible (Prizm retail is ok if you hit Wemby but hobby is still insane). In a year I don't think you have basketball guys searching for PSA 10 Bedards as they'll be on to the next thing.

[mma138]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Bedard is more Trevor Lawrence than Joe Burrow.

Good, clean looks made for tv screens (and sports card boxes lol), but don't really have that extra flash or unspoken charisma the way Burrow does. That being said I don't think hockey really encourages that either compared to the NBA or NFL, they don't want another Sean Avery lol

Trout and Mcdavid have the highest modern rookies so it's not bad company but I doubt he influences other collectors that much. You're kind of seeing it right now, Wemby is the Bedard of basketball but how many people on here are buying up Wemby? I'd guess pretty low and vice versa yeah there's clearly some basketball/football guys opening looking for Bedard but I think most are just looking for a quick flip as it's been awhile since something this good out of retail or even hobby with the odds was possible (Prizm retail is ok if you hit Wemby but hobby is still insane). In a year I don't think you have basketball guys searching for PSA 10 Bedards as they'll be on to the next thing.

ewwwwwww not good

[ZappBrannigan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Bedard is more Trevor Lawrence than Joe Burrow.

Good, clean looks made for tv screens (and sports card boxes lol), but don't really have that extra flash or unspoken charisma the way Burrow does. That being said I don't think hockey really encourages that either compared to the NBA or NFL, they don't want another Sean Avery lol

Trout and Mcdavid have the highest modern rookies so it's not bad company but I doubt he influences other collectors that much. You're kind of seeing it right now, Wemby is the Bedard of basketball but how many people on here are buying up Wemby? I'd guess pretty low and vice versa yeah there's clearly some basketball/football guys opening looking for Bedard but I think most are just looking for a quick flip as it's been awhile since something this good out of retail or even hobby with the odds was possible (Prizm retail is ok if you hit Wemby but hobby is still insane). In a year I don't think you have basketball guys searching for PSA 10 Bedards as they'll be on to the next thing.

Are Trevor Lorence and Joe Borough Wichita linemen? When is the Wembly tennis thing starting?