Connor Bedard

[Ehawk89]

Originally Posted by kluke84

2813 of 5763 PSA 10 Pop for McDavid

I'll be interested to see what the Bedard Pop count is a year from now. Seemingly several have found in packs so far which is great!

Something else to keep in mind there's over 7k BGS 9.5 McDavid YGs, and I imagine majority of those are from when Beckett was preferred grader.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by Ehawk89

Something else to keep in mind there's over 7k BGS 9.5 McDavid YGs, and I imagine majority of those are from when Beckett was preferred grader.

While true, 9.5 BGS is not comparable to PSA 10 (esp with no auto involved).

I don't have access to their pop reports but no doubt results were increased with crack and resub. Same asbPSA. They weren't always at a similar Gem Rate like most

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by kluke84

While true, 9.5 BGS is not comparable to PSA 10 (esp with no auto involved).

I don't have access to their pop reports but no doubt results were increased with crack and resub. Same asbPSA. They weren't always at a similar Gem Rate like most

I agree with you but it's funny that at one time that actually was the overall thought of the hockey card community especially, BGS 9.5=PSA 10 as I believe that is both of their "gem mint" designations, and BGS was considered the tougher grader.

I never thought they were the same as math taught me 10 is a higher number than 9.5 but now that Beckett has fallen off a cliff and you have a ton of new collectors not listening to old rules, and the first significant hockey card since the card boost (Bedard)will be 95% sent to PSA I think that thinking is long dead and gone.

[Ehawk89]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

I agree with you but it's funny that at one time that actually was the overall thought of the hockey card community especially, BGS 9.5=PSA 10 as I believe that is both of their "gem mint" designations, and BGS was considered the tougher grader.

I never thought they were the same as math taught me 10 is a higher number than 9.5 but now that Beckett has fallen off a cliff and you have a ton of new collectors not listening to old rules, and the first significant hockey card since the card boost (Bedard)will be 95% sent to PSA I think that thinking is long dead and gone.

I'm thinking we're going to eventually see a 10k plus pop count on a Bedard YGs graded from PSA.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Thanks for the insight.

Even if there are just a handful of Bedard autos, with the other Bedard inserts and cards, I think Extended at $150 is a better bang for the buck than S2 at $300.

That really depends on some different factors

1) What his canvas comes out the gate/maintains at the first few weeks. If it ends up selling for half a YG (I don't think people will have a grand for every Bedard rookie this year lol) then it sort of eliminates the half off box price compared to S2, with no chance at numbered/silver outburst YG's, but it's all just "OMFG Extended product of year" lol

2) If you even hit one, it feels people are buying with the assumption their box/case already has one. Canvas YG's are more rare then regular with the black and white being rarer than silver outbursts which I've seen hardly any Bedard. People spending what they are now on S2 could end up spending the same on Extended if they strike out and keep going.

3) How guys like Fantilli/Cooley sell, Carlsson YG sold for $25 yesterday, we can pump them adding value but if they are similar it doesn't take much hit out of a Bedard-less box

4) What the inserts etc are valued at since they usually are peanuts compared to YG's. I remember buying Extended Kaprizov year thinking I'll get some nice subsidy rookies and even hit some, and when I looked up values then up to now they still aren't really worth anything. That's why even though there are some signicant guys in previous Extended since they don't have a YG /Canvas it's still dirt cheap as no one cares about the other cards, even retros (will be different for Bedard)

That being said any form of numbered Bedard will be a winner, insert, checklist, business card, whatever lol

[odjickfan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

That really depends on some different factors

1) What his canvas comes out the gate/maintains at the first few weeks. If it ends up selling for half a YG (I don't think people will have a grand for every Bedard rookie this year lol) then it sort of eliminates the half off box price compared to S2, with no chance at numbered/silver outburst YG's, but it's all just "OMFG Extended product of year" lol

2) If you even hit one, it feels people are buying with the assumption their box/case already has one. Canvas YG's are more rare then regular with the black and white being rarer than silver outbursts which I've seen hardly any Bedard. People spending what they are now on S2 could end up spending the same on Extended if they strike out and keep going.

3) How guys like Fantilli/Cooley sell, Carlsson YG sold for $25 yesterday, we can pump them adding value but if they are similar it doesn't take much hit out of a Bedard-less box

4) What the inserts etc are valued at since they usually are peanuts compared to YG's. I remember buying Extended Kaprizov year thinking I'll get some nice subsidy rookies and even hit some, and when I looked up values then up to now they still aren't really worth anything. That's why even though there are some signicant guys in previous Extended since they don't have a YG /Canvas it's still dirt cheap as no one cares about the other cards, even retros (will be different for Bedard)

That being said any form of numbered Bedard will be a winner, insert, checklist, business card, whatever lol

It’s a thing that I have difficulty to understand. Why aren’t the retro YGs from Extended more popular?

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by odjickfan

It’s a thing that I have difficulty to understand. Why aren’t the retro YGs from Extended more popular?

Not knocking the purist model, but hockey collectors are purist compared to other sports. Most will not pay a crazy multiplier for what boils down to an insert. You can accumulate a nice collection, before Connor Bedard, but I imagine Bedard will change that. The retro design does not always work.

[JohnnyAppleseed]

Originally Posted by odjickfan

It’s a thing that I have difficulty to understand. Why aren’t the retro YGs from Extended more popular?

They're an insert, a bit gimmicky, and fairly plentiful. If they were scarcer they'd carry more weight. The actually scarce ones (like the 2001-02 retros in 21/22) do fetch a good premium.
I think (assuming he has one) Bedard's will be a popular cheap alternative, but they won't be all that desired. Look at how baseball collectors treat a shimmer/sonic/sapphire refractor vs the base and gold refractors. Or look at how hockey collectors treat these magmas and aquamarines vs. base rainbows in OPCP. They're basically treated the same.

[ThatGuyPal]

Walmart Canada restocked S2 aka Bedard boxes, megas, tins, blasters...

Printers don't stop babyyyyyyy

[Davis]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Walmart Canada restocked S2 aka Bedard boxes, megas, tins, blasters...

Printers don't stop babyyyyyyy

US Walmart.com hasn't restocked since the initial stock over a week ago. If it does I'll try to post links.

[rohara99]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Walmart Canada restocked S2 aka Bedard boxes, megas, tins, blasters...

Printers don't stop babyyyyyyy

They've come back in stock more then a couple times the last few days.

Grabbed another 5 tins Wednesday night.

Could of got more yesterday morning and yesterday afternoon and again this morning. Interested in when they actually/finally go out of stock.

[The_Reverend]

Walmart seems to be directing them to where the demand is always strong. In The US it is only strong because of people just wanting hockey. As much as it hurts to say it, good for you guys up north.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Walmart Canada restocked S2 aka Bedard boxes, megas, tins, blasters...

Printers don't stop babyyyyyyy

Tins out of stock at Walmart.ca as of a couple of hours ago.
$60 CAD less than my LCS ($149.99 vs $89.92).

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

Tins out of stock at Walmart.ca as of a couple of hours ago.
$60 CAD less than my LCS ($149.99 vs $89.92).

WOW! Did your LCS not get hobby? That is quite the markup.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

WOW! Did your LCS not get hobby? That is quite the markup.

He got boatloads of Hobby- more than likely his maximum allocation as he had to cut off pre-sales. Presale hobby was $300/box I believe which was 'fair' to market. Extended presale he had up at $199 before it sold out.
He has 4 stores here in Greater Vancouver and is a huge volume seller.
Right now pre-order pricing here is-
23/24 SP Hockey Blasters- $40/box and $780/case (20)
23/24 SkyBox MU Blasters- $40/box and cases sold out
23/24 Skybox MU hobby- $270/box and $5900/case (20)
23/24 SP Game Used hobby- $299/box and cases sold out.
23/24 SPX hobby- $249/box and $4900/case (20)
23/24 Credentials- $199/box and no cases
23/24 Trilogy- $270/box and $3900/case (16)

[anusinha]

those prices are absurd, DA is much lower on most of that

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

He got boatloads of Hobby- more than likely his maximum allocation as he had to cut off pre-sales. Presale hobby was $300/box I believe which was 'fair' to market. Extended presale he had up at $199 before it sold out.
He has 4 stores here in Greater Vancouver and is a huge volume seller.
Right now pre-order pricing here is-
23/24 SP Hockey Blasters- $40/box and $780/case (20)
23/24 SkyBox MU Blasters- $40/box and cases sold out
23/24 Skybox MU hobby- $270/box and $5900/case (20)
23/24 SP Game Used hobby- $299/box and cases sold out.
23/24 SPX hobby- $249/box and $4900/case (20)
23/24 Credentials- $199/box and no cases
23/24 Trilogy- $270/box and $3900/case (16)

Speaking of Vancouver, how is Aidan McD doing related to his progress?

[ThoseBackPages]

i wouldnt worry too much about "Pop Reports"

what matters more is the player goes on to be a hobby superstar

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by anusinha

those prices are absurd, DA is much lower on most of that

IDK, but after exchange looks like my LCS is right there, and mostly lower, outside of SPGU and Trilogy. Credentials is less. SP the same. Extended the same.
S2 tins are more at D&A at about $170 CAD.
I didn't mention 23/24 OPC boxes, but D&A is $240 CAD while my LCS is $185.
Also, Canadians can't buy from D&A until 12 months after release.
Any way you slice it this year's pricing is absurd with whomever you buy from.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Speaking of Vancouver, how is Aidan McD doing related to his progress?

Only 13 points in 44 games for the Abby Canucks (AHL) and way off his trajectory from Northeastern, but he is doing well enough to be kept and not bandied about in trade rumours the last few weeks. Team likes him.
But as a 2019 draftee his rope will be getting shorter as his position on the prospect depth chart drops with the introduction of Jonathan Lekkerimaki and the continued rise of Arshdeep Bains. Guys like Autu Raty, Danila Klimovich, Max Sasson and Linus Karlsson are likely a little ahead of him on the depth chart so Aidan will need a very strong camp.
He was also a draft pick of the old management regime under Jim Benning. The new group met with him and his family and signed him just last year though so Allvin and Rutherford definitely are invested in him.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

IDK, but after exchange looks like my LCS is right there, and mostly lower, outside of SPGU and Trilogy. Credentials is less. SP the same. Extended the same.
S2 tins are more at D&A at about $170 CAD.
I didn't mention 23/24 OPC boxes, but D&A is $240 CAD while my LCS is $185.
Also, Canadians can't buy from D&A until 12 months after release.
Any way you slice it this year's pricing is absurd with whomever you buy from.

Oh, didnt realize you were using CAD

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Oh, didnt realize you were using CAD

Ha! Must've been a real shock.
Guess it wasn't clear the post was a carry over talking CAD at Walmart.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

WOW! Did your LCS not get hobby? That is quite the markup.

People are paying those prices so most aren't gonna leave money on the table, especially when they go on FB Marketplace and see a guy selling them for that price if they don't. Maybe it's me but I get the vibe looking "out for the kids" is over for LCS, you used to have places that would give you a deal or sell closer to MSRP because they knew you were ripping and wanted to give you a break, now everyone is a flipper so I think most are numb now unless you're a lifelong customer or something. Hockey has also sat and been discounted for two years due to a mix of weaker rookie classes and people already saving for Bedard back then, so call it greed but many are bleeding out whatever they can for Bedard year as they don't know if/when this will happen again, and next year will likely revert back to full shelves. Misa will be popular but he isn't considered a Bedard level

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

People are paying those prices so most aren't gonna leave money on the table, especially when they go on FB Marketplace and see a guy selling them for that price if they don't. Maybe it's me but I get the vibe looking "out for the kids" is over for LCS, you used to have places that would give you a deal or sell closer to MSRP because they knew you were ripping and wanted to give you a break, now everyone is a flipper so I think most are numb now unless you're a lifelong customer or something. Hockey has also sat and been discounted for two years due to a mix of weaker rookie classes and people already saving for Bedard back then, so call it greed but many are bleeding out whatever they can for Bedard year as they don't know if/when this will happen again, and next year will likely revert back to full shelves. Misa will be popular but he isn't considered a Bedard level

If they dont cut down production next year, the stuff will be on BF clearance for a decade. Stankoven? Will smith? Celebrini? looking like a 22/23 type class.

[Satan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

People are paying those prices so most aren't gonna leave money on the table, especially when they go on FB Marketplace and see a guy selling them for that price if they don't. Maybe it's me but I get the vibe looking "out for the kids" is over for LCS, you used to have places that would give you a deal or sell closer to MSRP because they knew you were ripping and wanted to give you a break, now everyone is a flipper so I think most are numb now unless you're a lifelong customer or something. Hockey has also sat and been discounted for two years due to a mix of weaker rookie classes and people already saving for Bedard back then, so call it greed but many are bleeding out whatever they can for Bedard year as they don't know if/when this will happen again, and next year will likely revert back to full shelves. Misa will be popular but he isn't considered a Bedard level

Despite Upper Deck's marketing efforts - Misa might not even be a top 5 pick in the 2025 draft.

The next big rookie will be Gavin McKenna (2026 draft).