Official Tom Brady RC Price Tracker

[arod305]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I still think he is undervalued, especially when you look at Mahomes prices, but then again, I think Patty is incredibly overvalued based on what he has accomplished thus far (sorry Patty fans in this thread)

I love Patty, but I did take about 70% of the profits from my (2) Mahomes NT RPA's and invest them in Brady. It just made too much sense not too imo. Especially, when Brady's prices were down in May/June.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I still think he is undervalued, especially when you look at Mahomes prices, but then again, I think Patty is incredibly overvalued based on what he has accomplished thus far (sorry Patty fans in this thread)

It's all good... IMO... they are both undervalued when compared to LeBron and Luka....


And before we get into the "Basketball market is much bigger than football", this run on the Brady Contenders and Brady Golds and is proving out my thesis that football can come close to matching basketball, and least in a concentrated manner for the top players.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by tjforce

It's all good... IMO... they are both undervalued when compared to LeBron and Luka....


And before we get into the "Basketball market is much bigger than football", this run on the Brady Contenders and Brady Golds and is proving out my thesis that football can come close to matching basketball, and least in a concentrated manner for the top players.

100% agree with this.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by arod305

I love Patty, but I did take about 70% of the profits from my (2) Mahomes NT RPA's and invest them in Brady. It just made too much sense not too imo. Especially, when Brady's prices were down in May/June.

Very smart. I've been wrestling with the same idea with my Patty's and what to keep and what to sell.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by tjforce

It's all good... IMO... they are both undervalued when compared to LeBron and Luka....


And before we get into the "Basketball market is much bigger than football", this run on the Brady Contenders and Brady Golds and is proving out my thesis that football can come close to matching basketball, and least in a concentrated manner for the top players.

what are the Brady Contenders going for these days?

[FantasyMagic]

Originally Posted by oplum29

what are the Brady Contenders going for these days?

Authentic - 18.6k
PSA 5 - 30k
PSA 6 - 35k
PSA 7 - 46k
BGS 8.5 - 38k

[boston12]

Originally Posted by FantasyMagic

Authentic - 18.6k
PSA 5 - 30k
PSA 6 - 35k
PSA 7 - 46k
BGS 8.5 - 38k

** 8.5 was with 9 auto

[Brian48]

Originally Posted by jgb1219

Was just reading through the past month’s posts. Lots of really thoughtful chat about Brady rookies vs rare(er) non-rookies. As it can be fun to debate comparisons (vs discussing a single card in a vacuum), wondering what people think of the following options?

Scenario I: If you could have either card for $45K (based on recent comps), which is the better long-term investment?
Option I: 2000 Playoff Contenders Rookie Ticket PSA 7 (~$46K on both 8/15 and 8/28)
Option II: 2020 Prizm Gold PSA 9 ($50K on 9/3, for argument’s sake assume you could buy a copy for $45K)

Scenario II: If you could have either card for $22K (based on recent comps), which is the better long-term investment?
Option I: 2000 Playoff Contenders Rookie Ticket PSA Authentic ($22K on 8/22)
Option II: 2012 Prizm Silver PSA 10 ($22K on 7/22)

For each scenario, assume “long-term” is five years. And that the question is simply which option in each scenario will be worth more at that time?

The current debate on Brady rookies vs rare non-rookies feels a lot like comparing Jordan’s 1986 Fleer to his other rare non-rookies. While the 1997 Precious Metal Gems Red (/90) and 1997 Precious Metal Gems Green (/10) are frequently brought up, he also has other non-rookie cards that have had similar exponential price jumps: 1997 E-X Jambalaya, 1997 Upper Deck Game Jersey Patch, 1997 Skybox E-X2001 Essential Credentials – Now (/90), 1997 Skybox E-X2001 Essential Credentials – Future (/72), etc.

Obviously, we’ll only know the answer on the Brady front in the future (which is what makes this fun!). FWIW, my own $0.02 is that there really won’t be “wrong” answers to either scenario above - high-quality Brady cards (rookies, rare, etc) will continue to outperform that sports card market on a relative basis.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts – always super interesting to read the comments from the experts here!

I'd take the Prizm cards in both instances. Already got the Contender

[arod305]

Originally Posted by FantasyMagic

Authentic - 18.6k
PSA 5 - 30k
PSA 6 - 35k
PSA 7 - 46k
BGS 8.5 - 38k

There is 0 chance of touching an authentic/10 auto for $18.6 rn. I expect the auth/9 to do over $20 at auction.

[jgb1219]

Great article in the Athletic for anyone who missed it...

Julian Edelman had never seen the board.

During the 2013 offseason, he uncovered Tom Brady’s greatest source of motivation. The teammates had been working out together in Los Angeles when Edelman saw a prominently displayed whiteboard in Brady’s home gym, scripted with a sole objective.

“Super Bowl XLVIII: Feb. 2, 2014, MetLife Stadium.”

At the time, Brady had three Super Bowl rings — modest, by his standard. That’s because Brady’s standard, as Edelman would find out in that moment, was well beyond the scope of anything he could imagine.

“Bro, how crazy is it that you’re going after Montana?” Edelman asked Brady.

“I ain’t going for Montana,” Brady responded with an unmistakable air of confidence. “I’m going for Jordan.”

https://theathletic.com/2809565/2021...f-all-winners/

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jgb1219

Great article in the Athletic for anyone who missed it...

Julian Edelman had never seen the board.

During the 2013 offseason, he uncovered Tom Brady’s greatest source of motivation. The teammates had been working out together in Los Angeles when Edelman saw a prominently displayed whiteboard in Brady’s home gym, scripted with a sole objective.

“Super Bowl XLVIII: Feb. 2, 2014, MetLife Stadium.”

At the time, Brady had three Super Bowl rings — modest, by his standard. That’s because Brady’s standard, as Edelman would find out in that moment, was well beyond the scope of anything he could imagine.

“Bro, how crazy is it that you’re going after Montana?” Edelman asked Brady.

“I ain’t going for Montana,” Brady responded with an unmistakable air of confidence. “I’m going for Jordan.”

https://theathletic.com/2809565/2021...f-all-winners/

7 rings to 6.
All time TD leader to 5th all time
All time Yards leader
All time wins leader
Winning Super Bowls at 43 compared to playing Golf at 43


The debate over who is the greatest American athlete our our lifetimes is really going to be heating up once we've all had a chance to soak this all in.

[FantasyMagic]

Originally Posted by arod305

There is 0 chance of touching an authentic/10 auto for $18.6 rn. I expect the auth/9 to do over $20 at auction.

I haven’t seen an Authentic/10 Auto sell recently. I see a bunch at around 50k but I wonder where it would actually fall in an auction

[COMCMax]

Originally Posted by tjforce

7 rings to 6.
All time TD leader to 5th all time
All time Yards leader
All time wins leader
Winning Super Bowls at 43 compared to playing Golf at 43


The debate over who is the greatest American athlete our our lifetimes is really going to be heating up once we've all had a chance to soak this all in.

Wonder if we'll ever see a Brady/Jordan dual auto.

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by tjforce

7 rings to 6.
All time TD leader to 5th all time
All time Yards leader
All time wins leader
Winning Super Bowls at 43 compared to playing Golf at 43


The debate over who is the greatest American athlete our our lifetimes is really going to be heating up once we've all had a chance to soak this all in.

Huge Jordan collector also it’s hard to compare the 2 sports. Jordan played 2 ways and was a beast but winning at football is a lot harder. Much easier to form dynasties in basketball compared to football there’s a hard cap where basketball just spend all you want and pay the luxury tax. Love them both I knew when Jordan retired early he was leaving the door open for someone like Brady to overtake him and I think he has. Not thrilled but not sad either it is what it is.

[MyckKabongo]

Longevity and rings aren't going to be only things considered in a Jordan vs. Brady debate. Jordan is far ahead in terms of regular season dominance, cultural impact, and aesthetics of his performance. While Brady is going to be increasingly appreciated in the coming years, he is not going to pass Jordan. That's OK--2nd place to Jordan is nothing to sneeze at.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Longevity and rings aren't going to be only things considered in a Jordan vs. Brady debate. Jordan is far ahead in terms of regular season dominance, cultural impact, and aesthetics of his performance. While Brady is going to be increasingly appreciated in the coming years, he is not going to pass Jordan. That's OK--2nd place to Jordan is nothing to sneeze at.

Brady isn’t the better athlete, he’s not the most “iconic” globally, but he’s the greatest winner in professional sports. Not just the last couple of decades.
Ever. Jordan was amazing. The best to ever take the court. But he’s not Tom Brady.

[Onepocketj]

It's just silly trying to compare Brady to Jordan. Will to win? That's about the only thing similar.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Longevity and rings aren't going to be only things considered in a Jordan vs. Brady debate. Jordan is far ahead in terms of regular season dominance, cultural impact, and aesthetics of his performance. While Brady is going to be increasingly appreciated in the coming years, he is not going to pass Jordan. That's OK--2nd place to Jordan is nothing to sneeze at.

I'll give you that Jordan is the cultural impact GOAT. I'm not sure anyone will ever beat him there.

Jordan being the regular season GOAT is probably a little more debatable. Brady has less MVPs, but the TD record and the Yardage record (soon). Even more importantly for Brady, he has both the NFL record for wins and (230 compared to 186) AND the modern record for regular season winning % (.769). Jordan's winning % was .659. I don't know what that ranks, but it's not top 25 (guys like Kawhi, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Russell, Klay are all on that list.). Brady has a perfect regular season (MJ has the 2nd best regular season record).

Honestly, it could be argued that Brady's regular season history was as good as, if not better than MJ. Heck, you could argue that Wilt or Kareem had better regular season resume's than MJ. What set MJ apart on the court was his playoff performance and Finals wins. Well, Brady matches up well in that department as well.

How about greatest wins? MJ had some great Finals performances. Brady has 28-3.

Organizational impact? Brady took the a team that missed the playoffs the prior year, and at age 43, took them to a Super Bowl win. Jordan took and ever worse team in the Wizards and led them to 8 games under .500 years back to back at age 38 and 39.

I'm not making a definitive statement that Brady > MJ here... I'm just pointing out this is going to be a hot debate moving forward, and there is a lot of meat to it.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'll give you that Jordan is the cultural impact GOAT. I'm not sure anyone will ever beat him there.

Jordan being the regular season GOAT is probably a little more debatable. Brady has less MVPs, but the TD record and the Yardage record (soon). Even more importantly for Brady, he has both the NFL record for wins and (230 compared to 186) AND the modern record for regular season winning % (.769). Jordan's winning % was .659. I don't know what that ranks, but it's not top 25 (guys like Kawhi, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Russell, Klay are all on that list.). Brady has a perfect regular season (MJ has the 2nd best regular season record).

Honestly, it could be argued that Brady's regular season history was as good as, if not better than MJ. Heck, you could argue that Wilt or Kareem had better regular season resume's than MJ. What set MJ apart on the court was his playoff performance and Finals wins. Well, Brady matches up well in that department as well.

How about greatest wins? MJ had some great Finals performances. Brady has 28-3.

Organizational impact? Brady took the a team that missed the playoffs the prior year, and at age 43, took them to a Super Bowl win. Jordan took and ever worse team in the Wizards and led them to 8 games under .500 years back to back at age 38 and 39.

I'm not making a definitive statement that Brady > MJ here... I'm just pointing out this is going to be a hot debate moving forward, and there is a lot of meat to it.

No idea how you think you can compare two completely different sports.
Ok fine. Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year in 1988. How many of those does Brady have?
Just accept that they both were amazing players in their respective sports.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

No idea how you think you can compare two completely different sports.
Ok fine. Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of the Year in 1988. How many of those does Brady have?
Just accept that they both were amazing players in their respective sports.

I think I just demonstrated how you can compare different sports...

-Championships
-Statistical records
-Team records
-Historic performances

Sure, you find things that don't compare. That's easy. Heck, you can do that within the same sport. Aaron Donald has 3 DPOY awards and Mahomes has none! Yet every year ESPN and others rank the 100 best players, and this year these guys are 1 and 2.

[MyckKabongo]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'll give you that Jordan is the cultural impact GOAT. I'm not sure anyone will ever beat him there.

Jordan being the regular season GOAT is probably a little more debatable. Brady has less MVPs, but the TD record and the Yardage record (soon). Even more importantly for Brady, he has both the NFL record for wins and (230 compared to 186) AND the modern record for regular season winning % (.769). Jordan's winning % was .659. I don't know what that ranks, but it's not top 25 (guys like Kawhi, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Russell, Klay are all on that list.). Brady has a perfect regular season (MJ has the 2nd best regular season record).

Honestly, it could be argued that Brady's regular season history was as good as, if not better than MJ. Heck, you could argue that Wilt or Kareem had better regular season resume's than MJ. What set MJ apart on the court was his playoff performance and Finals wins. Well, Brady matches up well in that department as well.

How about greatest wins? MJ had some great Finals performances. Brady has 28-3.

Organizational impact? Brady took the a team that missed the playoffs the prior year, and at age 43, took them to a Super Bowl win. Jordan took and ever worse team in the Wizards and led them to 8 games under .500 years back to back at age 38 and 39.

I'm not making a definitive statement that Brady > MJ here... I'm just pointing out this is going to be a hot debate moving forward, and there is a lot of meat to it.

Jordan won the scoring title in every full season he played from 1986 to 1998. That is what I mean by regular season dominance. Brady was just as much of a winner but didnt dominate statistically to that degree.

It will be interesting to see how it's all perceived as the years go by. The same way my grandfather grew up idolizing Babe Ruth and no athlete afterwards could ever really compare, that's how it is with a lot of us (self included) and Jordan.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I think I just demonstrated how you can compare different sports...

-Championships
-Statistical records
-Team records
-Historic performances

Sure, you find things that don't compare. That's easy. Heck, you can do that within the same sport. Aaron Donald has 3 DPOY awards and Mahomes has none! Yet every year ESPN and others rank the 100 best players, and this year these guys are 1 and 2.

Got it. If it makes sense to you then have at it.
Guess Rocky Marciano was better than both of them. He was undefeated.

[jasonm2121]

Brady!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nin5k72]

I grew up watching/loving Jordan & I would 100% put the two on the same level.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by nin5k72

I grew up watching/loving Jordan & I would 100% put the two on the same level.

Agreed. Both amazing to watch and great for their sport. You just can't really compare them based on records.

Wilt Chamberlain has 72 regular and post season NBA records
Wayne Gretzky has 61 regular and post season NHL records
Tom Brady has 19 regular and post season NFL records

Who had a bigger impact? Who knows. We can just agree they're all great.