LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by theleica

I understand for a lot of members the photo is proof that BuyNiceCards owned the card in 2013.

Where did Buybuymj pull the photo from in 2013? Did BuyNiceCards have it posted for sale or was it on his website? The only reason I ask is because of the disclaimer/text at the top of BuyNiceCards LeBron Exquisite section. Below it says a majority of cards aren’t owned by him.

Did BuyNiceCards have a LeBron Exquisite section in 2013?

“The 2003-2004 Upper Deck Exquisite Collection LeBron James Jersey Patch Auto /99 is possibly the most important modern sports card in existence. The cards displayed here are for database purposes. The majority of the cards listed in this section are not owned by BuyNiceCards and are not for sale. If you have access to a serial number not pictured here please contact us.”


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He did not.

You can use the Wayback Machine to see what the site looked like as early as January 2014. He hosted mostly cards that were for sale or trade. But some are marked as NFS/NFT. I do not see any that are marked as not owned by him.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140215...ynicecards.com

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by theleica

I understand for a lot of members the photo is proof that BuyNiceCards owned the card in 2013.

Where did Buybuymj pull the photo from in 2013? Did BuyNiceCards have it posted for sale or was it on his website? The only reason I ask is because of the disclaimer/text at the top of BuyNiceCards LeBron Exquisite section. Below it says a majority of cards aren’t owned by him.

Did BuyNiceCards have a LeBron Exquisite section in 2013?

“The 2003-2004 Upper Deck Exquisite Collection LeBron James Jersey Patch Auto /99 is possibly the most important modern sports card in existence. The cards displayed here are for database purposes. The majority of the cards listed in this section are not owned by BuyNiceCards and are not for sale. If you have access to a serial number not pictured here please contact us.”


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That database doesn’t have his copyright at the bottom of the photos though...

[ThoseBackPages]

and that was post #1000 no less

wow.

[theleica]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

That database doesn’t have his copyright at the bottom of the photos though...

Ok thank you. That clears up any potential loose ends.

Buybuymj should make his own online version of LeBron Exquisite cards with the link to this post at the top.

Googling ‘LeBron Exquisite’ Blowout is #7 on the front page but you have to click into ‘More results from Blowout’ and it is the 7th link inside that.

It would be pretty easy to rank in the top 3 for ‘LeBron Exquisite’ with a little SEO work and would deter a lot of people from buying in the future, etc.


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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

An explanation could simply be him coming on and saying that he lied in some capacity.

Do you honestly believe he would do that?

From the new information, it appears he owned the #87 raw in 2013. If he didn't own the card, he was hosting the card on his website for whoever did own it.

I bought #87 in the same collection raw and graded it BGS 9 when I received it and I recall it being a clean card and didn’t appear trimmed to me. I graded it promptly and it graded BGS 9. I stand by the fact that I did not trim either of these cards or have any involvement with someone else trimming the cards.

He already admitted he acquired this card in 2014 from sohrob, in raw form. He then claimed it was graded promptly. We know that's a lie, because it was graded in April 2015. So sometime between 2013 and 2015 the card was trimmed. If BNC did not trim the card, then he acquired it trimmed.

Some individuals have thrown out the idea of BNC being the victim in all this. But this is now PROOF that at the very least, he knew the card was trimmed when he acquired it in 2014. Unless someone wants to suggest that he acquired #87 and simply didn't realize he was hosting an image of it on his site just a year earlier which clearly demonstrates the less than mint condition of the card.

*** And this is just #87! Let's not forget about #74 and the many other copies that have passed through BNC.

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Do you honestly believe he would do that?

I don't anticipate him saying much of anything else about it. That's why I said I'd like to hear from him again.

[GeechQuest]

Point blank, BNC is an unscrupulous dealer. It was pretty clear when he gaslighted the forum and tried to make his “what is the forum?” seem bigger than the issue of the trimmed cards.

He also stated he wasn’t sure how he would handle the situation because he wasn’t sure if he would sell the cards. That’s obvious BS. They will be sold or traded and some point, but even if he was 100% truthful that he may never actually move them he still should have stated he would HONESTLY list them as altered. It’s obvious he doesn’t want to do that, but hopefully if someone is in the market they will have this thread to be aware.

If you want to deal with BNC in the future I don’t see an issue because at least you’re aware of what you’re dealing with. The dude is unethical, but that doesn’t make someone who purchases cards from him unethical. That type of hyper morality that’s kind of floated around in some posts is disengenious, as I can’t think of anybody I’ve ever met who hasn’t purchased SOMETHING from an unethical person/company. I can understand the sentiment, just get off the high horse.

[ctau00]

Originally Posted by houdini

I honestly don't know what to make of it all.

My question is why hasn't this been made a sticky thread and moved to the member sales/feedback section? I know it's about the Lebron Exquisite but not everyone browses the basketball community and BNC dabbles in all sports.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by ctau00

My question is why hasn't this been made a sticky thread and moved to the member sales/feedback section? I know it's about the Lebron Exquisite but not everyone browses the basketball community and BNC dabbles in all sports.

Someone (not me) should just make a gigantic thread that links back all the unscrupulous cards in the hobby. 90’s fakes, traced autos, trimmed cards. Just a sticky on each forum that has links back to the threads in which these cards are discussed.

The problem is that the problem is so vast and widespread throughout the hobby that it would be tough to compile ALL of it.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by ctau00

My question is why hasn't this been made a sticky thread and moved to the member sales/feedback section? I know it's about the Lebron Exquisite but not everyone browses the basketball community and BNC dabbles in all sports.

who reads that section? lol

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

who reads that section? lol

This. 100% More eyes will be on this here.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Oh my,.... buybuymj opened the pandora's box revealing the evil, greed, lies and deceit. This is going to get even more ugly imo. I am new to this hobby (started 6 months ago) and so far I have seen shill bidding, trimming cards, forging vintage cards, using multiple fake user ID's to cheat others, etc., and the list goes on... Makes me seriously think if I should come out of this hobby

I returned to this so called “hobby” in 2015 and was excited after seeing my bosses collection. Then started realizing all the things that are wrong with it. Fell victim to shilling multiple times without knowing it. Then went back after being notified about it and saw I had been had multiple times. Even had issues with members on here with their greed and shadiness. I wouldn’t be surprised if I owned a trimmed card or card with a non-original patch. It’s pathetic what this hobby and forum will do to one another. Grown ups ruining a hobby that was once loved by kids.

I would warn anyone thinking of getting into it. My boss had no clue at the time and now that I’ve shown him all the threads like these, he won’t even buy cards anymore. I only collect one person now and I can’t even buy his best card because of crap like this.

People on here get mad at me for joking around and having fun. But the actual problem people on here get free passes at times. I’m so tired of hearing anyone being called a “nice or good guy”. When I see those words, I just assume they are a giant piece of crap. Some people actually defend people they’ve never met, that’s just mind bottling . I’m not even sure what’s worse, the shadiness or those that defend shadiness so they don’t hurt their future business with them.

I’m sure we will get some lame explanation on this at some point. But the fact that one of the best cards ever will have a dark cloud around it is sickening. This guy won’t die with the card, so we know someone else will have this in the future.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

An explanation could simply be him coming on and saying that he lied in some capacity.

What does that do? He's a dirtbag, admitting a lie changes nothing.

[DajuanWagner]

Originally Posted by the27guy

I hear that. I was confused. And I agree. It doesn’t look good for me.

I wish I’d taken the time to understand it better. I was so focused on the other card. But yeah. This was a CRUCIAL piece of evidence.

Wouldn't it have been better on your sainthood image if you hadn't posted anything at all??? Now, anytime anyone thinks of you, they will think of this thread. Just like with me, I will always be remembered for that crazy Grant Hill auction. Guess we will all be remembered for something. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Guess we both wish for a way-back-machine for Christmas, but probably won't get one.

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by Jasondr91

This is really what you got out of this thread?

You and the others having existential meltdowns in here are the exception, not the norm. Take a break from the thread for a week and you'll get some perspective.

[Jasondr91]

Originally Posted by Soleternity

You and the others having existential meltdowns in here are the exception, not the norm. Take a break from the thread for a week and you'll get some perspective.

Ya boy got busted for defending a high end crook, had the evidence from the beginning that he was a crook....

But you think I need to step away from the thread because of my meltdown? Yeah, ok. Thanks for playing the role of “that guy”.

[pcbuck]

Just caught up with everything in this thread.
There's no way that BuyFairSellNice cards is coming back here. No chance.

[chuckerrrr]

Just looking on BuyNiceCards Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/buynicecards/

Seems like business as usual on there. Still a lot of peeps not aware of this thread praising his potentially altered cards.

[theLUCKYshow]

Buybuymjs computer saved the image of #87 on 7/19/2013.

Looks like there's a good chance that Sohrob was the seller based on this thread started by him. Notice the date shows he sold the card on or around 7/20/2013.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=550538

Edit: Actually the thread was started on 7/20/2013 and looks like it sold 7/24/2013.

[SanAntonioSpurs]

Originally Posted by the27guy

It was me. Go ahead - let me have it. I should have put it all together. I didn’t understand what he was saying. I know that most of you won’t believe that. It’s fine.

I was focused on the other card when he sent it and I truly didn’t have any idea what he was trying to say. That combined with how poorly the pics rendered on ebay and I couldn’t figure it out.

But I should have tried harder to understand what buybuymj was saying because as I mentioned in my previous post, this is the single biggest breakthrough thus far.


Having said that, this thread is not going to turn towards me again. Hurray!!!


Sigh.

This is just a random thought, but I believe that when buybuymj asked 27 NOT to disclose his name in the PM that gave 27 the green light to refuse to post the evidence. Why? Because 27 thought since buybuymj wanted to remain anonymous that he wouldn't post it himself - that obviously backfired on 27 and he was forced to play the "I'm an idiot" card and gave an extremely weak reason on why he didn't fully read the PM. Then the obligatory "Having said that, this thread is not going to turn towards me again. Hurray!!" making it sound like just an innocent victim is the icing on the cake.

What I get so far from this thread is:

The27Guy - is a lying sack of crap and trying to paying the oblivious card is laughable. He said he didn't realize what buybuymj was sending him, that's BS. The PMs were pretty straight forward and clear what he was being sent.

BNC - Definitely knows who's trimming cards - either himself or someone he asked to do it.

All in all, this is an interesting thread. I hope the truth can be found at some point but with all the covering up people like 27 are doing, it won't be an easy task.

Scammers (Haiku/Peja to name a few large scale scams) know that the easiest people to prey on are people online that want to be liked so bad by the "cool groups" they will cover up and look the other way when shady stuff goes down.

[Soleternity]

Originally Posted by Jasondr91

Ya boy got busted for defending a high end crook, had the evidence from the beginning that he was a crook....

But you think I need to step away from the thread because of my meltdown? Yeah, ok. Thanks for playing the role of “that guy”.

You literally made a "Merry Xmas everyone" post. I've seen multiple posts open with "The lies, the deception, the deceit, the pure evil..." is this an audition to write murder mystery novels or a thread about basketball cards? The mob mentality is off the rails. And you all feed into each other. This aspect of human nature leads to terrible outcomes. I'm the guy who first looked at this thread a few hours ago and is telling you it's not *that* serious.

We're talking about 2 trimmed Lebron rookies and potentially more owned by BNC. That's a big deal in the context of basketball cards and something I will bear in mind if I ever seek to transact with him. As should everyone. There's many thousands of dollars in value at stake and potentially lost here. But I do not need to point this out, it's already plain to anyone with a brain who is reading this post.

As far as *who* trimmed #87, the evidence is clearly leaning one way, but I've got a feeling there are still a few twists left. That's something you learn after reading enough of these threads.

As far as The27Guy being "busted," relax with all that. The dude is the best commenter on these boards. True, he should've posted about #87 after he got the evidence. But he didn't and it's not a big deal, since the person with the info came forward, as they should have in the first place. It's a weak move to ask The27Guy to post because they're scared of the blowback. In other words, they didn't mind putting the heat on him.

[theLUCKYshow]

Buybuymj couldn't post it though. He just became a member here and that was his 1st post.

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[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Buybuymj couldn't post it though. He just became a member here and that was his 1st post.

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He became a member once Adam wouldnt post it, if Adam had posted it then Buybuymj wouldnt have become a member. At anytime Buybuy could have posted it if he desired, but he wanted to go the route with someone he had interacted and felt that he could trust. The info should have provided here immediately.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You damn well know that isn’t happening.

Pretty obvious here that some people aren’t doing the right thing in order to preserve relationships.

Yeah, BNC guilty as hell and 27Guy guilty as hell for defending him while withholding the evidence the forum was requesting at every turn.

Both seem like the guys in line at Christmas who ask the teen cashier for 2 $20s for a $10.

[theLUCKYshow]

This is confusing actually. If the dates are correct:

7/19/13: buybuymj saves pic of #87 with buynicecards logo

7/20/13: Sohrob starts a for sale thread for a Lebron RPA Exq /99. The number isnt specified.

7/24/13: Sohrob edits original post saying the card has sold to a good home.

So Sohrob was using buynicecards logo? Then sold it to Eric? Or are these dates just a coincidence.

All I can tell is that Eric didnt acquire #87 like he said he did. I doubt he's misinformed.

I think it's also important to note that the arrow is moving away from Sohrob. If you read buybuymjs message to the27guy he says Sohrob isnt the magician everyone thinks he is. Yes, he says he's seen two reputable peoples dark side but he wasn't referring to Sohrob. He was referring to obviously Eric but the other person is a PBM he did not name.

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