Topps Living Set

[Joliet Jake]

I'm digging the McGriff card today, but I'm surprised they didn't release him with the Braves. I wasn't quite 8-years-old when he was traded to Atlanta, but I remember him on those Braves teams of the early-to-mid-90s. Especially since he appeared in his only two WS with Atlanta and won his only WS with them in 1995.

Edit: A quick afterthought. When a retired player is featured in the set, do they have any say in what team they appear for? I imagine HOF players would have to be released as the team they entered the Hall with, but I'm wondering about the others.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Joliet Jake

I'm digging the McGriff card today, but I'm surprised they didn't release him with the Braves.

Agree that I also remember him as a Brave. I would guess it's an effort to even out franchise cards in this set. Braves franchise has a much deeper history (though logo "issues") than the Blue Jays.

I know a lot of people are going to come up with a ton more but off the top of my head for Blue Jays greats I remember as Blue Jays I think of Gary Carter (EDIT: mfw13 pointed out, I meant Joe Carter), Roberto Alomar and Roy Halladay? I'm sure I'm missing some but ... you know for Braves the list is a lot longer -- mostly because of franchise life length.

Not trying to say one team is better than the other, just pointing out that the Jays in the long run will need some way to even out # of cards in this set.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Joliet Jake

I imagine HOF players would have to be released as the team they entered the Hall with, but I'm wondering about the others.

I don't think this is true. Off the top of my head Willie Mays is in HOF as San Francisco but the card is for New York.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I don't think this is true. Off the top of my head Willie Mays is in HOF as San Francisco but the card is for New York.

It's the same franchise.....i.e. the Giants.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I know a lot of people are going to come up with a ton more but off the top of my head for Blue Jays greats I remember as Blue Jays I think of Gary Carter, Roberto Alomar and Roy Halladay?

Umm....Gary Carter played for the Expos, not the Blue Jays.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by mfw13

It's the same franchise.....i.e. the Giants.

Well the post said team, not franchise. I honestly think it's whatever Topps wants to do, tbh.

Originally Posted by mfw13

Umm....Gary Carter played for the Expos, not the Blue Jays.

My apologies, I just rattled them off without rereading ... Joe Carter is who I meant to say. Thanks for the correction, embarrassing!

[Fsegaud]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Agree that I also remember him as a Brave. I would guess it's an effort to even out franchise cards in this set. Braves franchise has a much deeper history (though logo "issues") than the Blue Jays.

I know a lot of people are going to come up with a ton more but off the top of my head for Blue Jays greats I remember as Blue Jays I think of Gary Carter (EDIT: mfw13 pointed out, I meant Joe Carter), Roberto Alomar and Roy Halladay? I'm sure I'm missing some but ... you know for Braves the list is a lot longer -- mostly because of franchise life length.

Not trying to say one team is better than the other, just pointing out that the Jays in the long run will need some way to even out # of cards in this set.

Tony Fernandez
Dave Stieb
George Bell
Kelly Gruber
Tom Heinke

I wish there were 5 cards a week.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Fsegaud

Tony Fernandez
Dave Stieb
George Bell
Kelly Gruber
Tom Heinke

George Bell, yes, can't believe I forgot him. The others I recognize but I'm not so sure -- I just don't know enough about them.

One of my biggest problems as a Twins fan is I remember Kent Hrbek being better than he actually was. Does he deserve a Living Set card? Maybe but probably not until 2113 lol. It's hard to follow this set and not be critical of the checklist ... I personally feel what they're doing is the safest course of action to minimize complaints.

Originally Posted by Fsegaud

I wish there were 5 cards a week.

There's one artist. I prefer quality over quantity. Also my wallet prefers 2 per week If Seto's hand didn't fall off from doing five a week, I'd be on board.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by okumeister

There are cards I like and don't like, but majority of them are great.
And you are really going to go back on a two year old card to bring her down?
That doesn't seem too fair.

I made no comment about the artist herself. just that THAT card in particular is fugly.

one thing that she does, however, is make ALL details come out. in particular little facial imperfections like pock marks or freckles. but that seems to be more often with newer players. veterans or retired players dont have the same "problem".

i think she does good work,but you know, that devers is fugly.

[yanman]

Haven't seen this posted, but they released the Glasnow/Seager week print runs on the archives page and found the Tanaka and Nola print runs on their individual pages.

358 - Tyler Glasnow: 1,969
359 - Corey Seager: 2,806
360 - Masahiro Tanaka: 1,991
361 - Austin Nola: 1,784

[Joliet Jake]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Agree that I also remember him as a Brave. I would guess it's an effort to even out franchise cards in this set. Braves franchise has a much deeper history (though logo "issues") than the Blue Jays.

I know a lot of people are going to come up with a ton more but off the top of my head for Blue Jays greats I remember as Blue Jays I think of Gary Carter (EDIT: mfw13 pointed out, I meant Joe Carter), Roberto Alomar and Roy Halladay? I'm sure I'm missing some but ... you know for Braves the list is a lot longer -- mostly because of franchise life length.

Not trying to say one team is better than the other, just pointing out that the Jays in the long run will need some way to even out # of cards in this set.

Interesting bit from Baseball Reference regarding Fred McGriff, since you mentioned Joe Carter and Roberto Alomar for potential Blue Jays cards in the set:

December 5, 1990: Traded by the Toronto Blue Jays with Tony Fernandez to the San Diego Padres for Roberto Alomar and Joe Carter.

This is something I was not aware of, and Carter and Alomar were two I immediately thought of for Toronto, too.

[Joliet Jake]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Well the post said team, not franchise. I honestly think it's whatever Topps wants to do, tbh.

Good catch. I should have used franchise instead of team.

[gmarutiak]

Originally Posted by dboutic617

#362 - Fred McGriff (Blue Jays)
#363 - Merrill Kelly (Diamondbacks)

Merrill Kelly HAS to set the new record for lowest PR, right?!?!

[dboutic617]

#364 - Carlos Carrasco (Indians) - PR 1712
#365 - Devin Williams (Brewers) - PR 2012

[BH34]

sigh..
sure would be nice to see another Mets TLS card again one of these days....

[yanman]

Originally Posted by gmarutiak

Merrill Kelly HAS to set the new record for lowest PR, right?!?!

Watch out for this guy. He can see the future.

#362 Fred McGriff - 1,904
#363 Merrill Kelly - 1,699 (New Low Print Run)

[joejoemay]

Originally Posted by yanman

Watch out for this guy. He can see the future.

#362 Fred McGriff - 1,904
#363 Merrill Kelly - 1,699 (New Low Print Run)

Only three sellers on ebay of the new SP...I suggest either spw or bowling but avoid Uptownsports he is the counterfeiter Gregg Weider AKA editorgraw who was outed on these pages for counterfeiting Living cards back in the beginning...Just like the last SP he seems to have kept the price low and NEVER ran out of cards. It is how we ended up catching on...since he was counterfeiting the Cover Card that had 1043 copies (he sold about 200 copies of the card himself) never raising the price. In the end he canceled all the sales owned up to it and was booted from the Platinum Club...otherwise he seems to have just changed his eBay handle and fired up the printer.

If you want to know why prices of lower printed Living cards don't go up? Because there is an unlimited supply being made in NJ.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by joejoemay

Only three sellers on ebay of the new SP...I suggest either spw or bowling but avoid Uptownsports he is the counterfeiter Gregg Weider AKA editorgraw who was outed on these pages for counterfeiting Living cards back in the beginning...Just like the last SP he seems to have kept the price low and NEVER ran out of cards. It is how we ended up catching on...since he was counterfeiting the Cover Card that had 1043 copies (he sold about 200 copies of the card himself) never raising the price. In the end he canceled all the sales owned up to it and was booted from the Platinum Club...otherwise he seems to have just changed his eBay handle and fired up the printer.

If you want to know why prices of lower printed Living cards don't go up? Because there is an unlimited supply being made in NJ.

That darn Gregg! I think the one username was "editorgaw" though - would fit with his initials - Gregg A$$hat Weider.

[joejoemay]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

That darn Gregg! I think the one username was "editorgaw" though - would fit with his initials - Gregg A$$hat Weider.

I have to bring it up now and then...I hate for people to forget. Last time I posted on the Living group in Facebook people were shocked.

I for sure think Topps should never sell to him but they won't go that far.

Don't think I have a personal vendetta against him (I don't), I have tons of Living cards that have suffered because of his actions. That is my beef.

The brand has been hurt (badly) because of his actions...the trust that your ungraded card is legit is gone. All Topps needs to do his have their lawyers call him and stop selling to him. I think the Living set is awesome but as long as he has his hands in it...I'll NEVER buy from anyone on the secondary (unless it's graded). With that said I suppose Topps has no reason to do this as their sales are fine but we will never get back to the 10's of thousand PRs of Accuna unless prices on the secondary rise...and to me Gregg Weider is at least one cause of that. I will now leave it alone until the next SP...

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by joejoemay

I have to bring it up now and then...I hate for people to forget. Last time I posted on the Living group in Facebook people were shocked.

I for sure think Topps should never sell to him but they won't go that far.

Don't think I have a personal vendetta against him (I don't), I have tons of Living cards that have suffered because of his actions. That is my beef.

The brand has been hurt (badly) because of his actions...the trust that your ungraded card is legit is gone. All Topps needs to do his have their lawyers call him and stop selling to him. I think the Living set is awesome but as long as he has his hands in it...I'll NEVER buy from anyone on the secondary (unless it's graded). With that said I suppose Topps has no reason to do this as their sales are fine but we will never get back to the 10's of thousand PRs of Accuna unless prices on the secondary rise...and to me Gregg Weider is at least one cause of that. I will now leave it alone until the next SP...

I used to buy every card in bulk from this set. I stopped buying because of Gregg. I haven’t and won’t buy even just one more. I actually feel I’m sitting on a bunch of worthless cards right now from all that I used to buy. It’s not true, but I definitely feel they have been substantially devalued.

[Lawmaker]

Originally Posted by joejoemay

I have to bring it up now and then...I hate for people to forget. Last time I posted on the Living group in Facebook people were shocked.

I for sure think Topps should never sell to him but they won't go that far.

Don't think I have a personal vendetta against him (I don't), I have tons of Living cards that have suffered because of his actions. That is my beef.

The brand has been hurt (badly) because of his actions...the trust that your ungraded card is legit is gone. All Topps needs to do his have their lawyers call him and stop selling to him. I think the Living set is awesome but as long as he has his hands in it...I'll NEVER buy from anyone on the secondary (unless it's graded). With that said I suppose Topps has no reason to do this as their sales are fine but we will never get back to the 10's of thousand PRs of Accuna unless prices on the secondary rise...and to me Gregg Weider is at least one cause of that. I will now leave it alone until the next SP...

Why won't Ebay/topps ban him? Hell that is a federal crime too. Interstate commerce..........

[dboutic617]

#366 - Tony Oliva (Twins) - PR 2291

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Lawmaker

Why won't Ebay/topps ban him? Hell that is a federal crime too. Interstate commerce..........

Because it would cost too much in legal fees....that's why you see people making custom cards using Topps designs all over the place.

Copyright enforcement is the responsibility of the holder of the copyright.

And nailing someone for selling counterfeit baseball cards for a few dollars each is probably very low on the law enforcement priority list.

[Joliet Jake]

Originally Posted by dboutic617

#366 - Tony Oliva (Twins)
#367 - (will post when released)

I think this is going to be a single card week. It will allow Topps to get back to landing on even numbers each week so they can eventually release cards 399 and 400 on the same day.

[yanman]

Originally Posted by dboutic617

#366 - Tony Oliva (Twins)

Topps has really broken into the "retired, non-hall of famers" lately. Nomar, Crime dog, now Oliva. Basically all 3 in the last month.

For the first 2 and half years of the the set we didn't have a ton of these type of guys.

These are who I have listed as Retired, Non-Hall of Fame: - list originally started with Jeter, but since he was voted in, I moved him to HOF list.

Bo Jackson
Don Mattingly
Bernie Williams
Deion Sanders
Thurman Munson
Todd Helton
Brad Ziegler
Gary Sheffield
Andruw Jones
Kenny Lofton
Nomar Garciaparra
Fred McGriff
Tony Oliva


Note - I don't include guys like Ichiro, David Wright, or Adrian Beltre who were all active when their cards were first released.