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Old 06-12-2020, 02:47 PM   #10826
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Debatable if its better than the Prizm Silver or Galactic, but base Golds from the big 3 brands are a major yes for me.

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Very curious what's next. Looks like you and I have targeted very similar stuff.
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:04 PM   #10827
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Anybody else enjoy picking up Mahomes Panini Instant cards? These have not really taken off much at all but I like them as a KC/Mahomes fan, especially for playoff games and big moments. Failure to take off in price so far doesn't bode well. OTOH, these depict iconic moments in his career and have a low print runs there could be good long term value there.
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:10 PM   #10828
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Anybody else enjoy picking up Mahomes Panini Instant cards? These have not really taken off much at all but I like them as a KC/Mahomes fan, especially for playoff games and big moments. Failure to take off in price so far doesn't bode well. OTOH, these depict iconic moments in his career and have a low print runs there could be good long term value there.
Are there any that have taken off in other sports? I bought a ton of the Zeke ones when I first got back into cards. Of course they are worth less now than I paid for them. Also a few of the Yordan ones but those were autos. Haven't really seen much with the Pattys.
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:24 PM   #10829
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Now you’re a pumper? Thought you hoped this guy broke his leg or something.
$23 isn't worthy of a pump. I still want injury, if only just to shut up sleeper and PCP
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:27 PM   #10830
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$23 isn't worthy of a pump. I still want injury, if only just to shut up sleeper and PCP
He had his injury last year. Hope you enjoyed it. That's it for a while
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:28 PM   #10831
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GRADES POPPED TODAY


46876432 MINT 9 2017 Panini Prizm 269 Patrick Mahomes II Prizm

46876433 MINT 9 2017 Panini Prizm 269 Patrick Mahomes II Prizm

46876434 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II Red/Yellow

46876436 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II Red/Yellow

46876436 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

MINIMUM GRADE 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876438 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876439 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876440 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II


46876441 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876442 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II Holo

46876443 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 195 Deshaun Watson Red/Yellow

46876444 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 195 Deshaun Watson

46876445 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 195 Deshaun Watson

46876446 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Contenders Optic 107 Daniel Jones Autograph-Red

46876447 MINT 9 2019 Panini Select Rookie Signature Memorabilia Prizm RM-DJ Daniel Jones Orange Pulsar

46876448 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic the Rookies 7 Patrick Mahomes II

46876449 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 302 Daniel Jones Autograph-Red Wave


46876450 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 168 JA Morant Holo

46876451 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini National Convention '18-19 Select 45 Trae Young

46876452 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 158 Zion Williamson


46876453 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Phoenix 102 Daniel Jones White Shimmer

46876454 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss the Elite Series 7 Patrick Mahomes II Rookies


46876455 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Phoenix 104 Patrick Mahomes II Yellow Base not Yellow - Mislabeled

46876456 MINT 9 2017 Panini Crown Royale 84 Patrick Mahomes II

46876457 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic Rookie Phenom Jersey 8 Deshaun Watson

46876458 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic Rookie Phenom Jersey 7 Patrick Mahomes II
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:31 PM   #10832
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GRADES POPPED TODAY
can't lead with the goods. gotta warm the grader up then hit him when he's least expecting it.
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:33 PM   #10833
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GRADES POPPED TODAY


46876432 MINT 9 2017 Panini Prizm 269 Patrick Mahomes II Prizm

46876433 MINT 9 2017 Panini Prizm 269 Patrick Mahomes II Prizm

46876434 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II Red/Yellow

46876436 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II Red/Yellow

46876436 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

MINIMUM GRADE 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876438 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876439 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876440 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II


46876441 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876442 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II Holo

46876443 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 195 Deshaun Watson Red/Yellow

46876444 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 195 Deshaun Watson

46876445 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 195 Deshaun Watson

46876446 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Contenders Optic 107 Daniel Jones Autograph-Red

46876447 MINT 9 2019 Panini Select Rookie Signature Memorabilia Prizm RM-DJ Daniel Jones Orange Pulsar

46876448 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic the Rookies 7 Patrick Mahomes II

46876449 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 302 Daniel Jones Autograph-Red Wave


46876450 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 168 JA Morant Holo

46876451 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini National Convention '18-19 Select 45 Trae Young

46876452 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 158 Zion Williamson


46876453 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Phoenix 102 Daniel Jones White Shimmer

46876454 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss the Elite Series 7 Patrick Mahomes II Rookies


46876455 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Phoenix 104 Patrick Mahomes II Yellow Base not Yellow - Mislabeled

46876456 MINT 9 2017 Panini Crown Royale 84 Patrick Mahomes II

46876457 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic Rookie Phenom Jersey 8 Deshaun Watson

46876458 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic Rookie Phenom Jersey 7 Patrick Mahomes II
Very nice. Some big cards in there. Phoenix has gone way up since you submitted those. I would never be sad with a PSA 9 Prizm the way they are grading now. Looks like great results overall.
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:43 PM   #10834
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:48 PM   #10835
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Old 06-12-2020, 05:22 PM   #10836
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Man card prices are just getting crazy. The fact that Blowout is offering 500k for the NT Zion Logoman blows my mind. The guy hasn't even played a season yet. We need to get Patty to that level.
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Old 06-12-2020, 05:27 PM   #10837
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46876432 MINT 9 2017 Panini Prizm 269 Patrick Mahomes II Prizm

46876433 MINT 9 2017 Panini Prizm 269 Patrick Mahomes II Prizm

46876434 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II Red/Yellow

46876436 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II Red/Yellow

46876436 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

MINIMUM GRADE 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876438 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876439 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876440 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II


46876441 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II

46876442 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 177 Patrick Mahomes II Holo

46876443 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 195 Deshaun Watson Red/Yellow

46876444 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 195 Deshaun Watson

46876445 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic 195 Deshaun Watson

46876446 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Contenders Optic 107 Daniel Jones Autograph-Red

46876447 MINT 9 2019 Panini Select Rookie Signature Memorabilia Prizm RM-DJ Daniel Jones Orange Pulsar

46876448 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic the Rookies 7 Patrick Mahomes II

46876449 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Prizm 302 Daniel Jones Autograph-Red Wave


46876450 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 168 JA Morant Holo

46876451 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini National Convention '18-19 Select 45 Trae Young

46876452 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Donruss Optic 158 Zion Williamson


46876453 GEM MINT 10 2019 Panini Phoenix 102 Daniel Jones White Shimmer

46876454 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss the Elite Series 7 Patrick Mahomes II Rookies


46876455 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Phoenix 104 Patrick Mahomes II Yellow Base not Yellow - Mislabeled

46876456 MINT 9 2017 Panini Crown Royale 84 Patrick Mahomes II

46876457 MINT 9 2017 Panini Donruss Optic Rookie Phenom Jersey 8 Deshaun Watson

46876458 GEM MINT 10 2017 Panini Donruss Optic Rookie Phenom Jersey 7 Patrick Mahomes II
A buddy of mine got all his Patty's back. He had a ton of Optic Rated Rookies. PSA only gave him one PSA 10 for a base. The rest were color parallels and PSA gave them all 9's.

If you don't believe that PSA is manipulating the market....then there's no hope for you.

We both looked at his small stack of cards. We couldn't find surface, corner or surface or centering issues on any of them.

Just the drop off of PSA 10's since the new year ought to tell you something. All of a sudden people are just submitting crappy cards? I don't buy it.

Sad!
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Old 06-12-2020, 07:34 PM   #10838
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A buddy of mine got all his Patty's back. He had a ton of Optic Rated Rookies. PSA only gave him one PSA 10 for a base. The rest were color parallels and PSA gave them all 9's.

If you don't believe that PSA is manipulating the market....then there's no hope for you.

We both looked at his small stack of cards. We couldn't find surface, corner or surface or centering issues on any of them.

Just the drop off of PSA 10's since the new year ought to tell you something. All of a sudden people are just submitting crappy cards? I don't buy it.

Sad!

I did a bit better than your friend on my last bulk sub, but not even close to my 3 - 4 previous ones. I own multiple 2017 PSA 10 Optic Mahomes Rated Rookies from /25 up through Base that would have probably gotten 8's or best case 9's if cracked & resubbed to my last grader. Definitely some "population control" going on over there...

The only crazy thing about my sub was that I got a bunch of GEM 2018 Optic Lamar Jackson Rated Rookie grades including /50 Purple & /25 Black Velocity whereas I had gotten hammered on 18 Optics in previous subs. Go figure...
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Old 06-12-2020, 08:48 PM   #10839
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A buddy of mine got all his Patty's back. He had a ton of Optic Rated Rookies. PSA only gave him one PSA 10 for a base. The rest were color parallels and PSA gave them all 9's.

If you don't believe that PSA is manipulating the market....then there's no hope for you.

We both looked at his small stack of cards. We couldn't find surface, corner or surface or centering issues on any of them.

Just the drop off of PSA 10's since the new year ought to tell you something. All of a sudden people are just submitting crappy cards? I don't buy it.

Sad!

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Old 06-12-2020, 08:51 PM   #10840
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A buddy of mine got all his Patty's back. He had a ton of Optic Rated Rookies. PSA only gave him one PSA 10 for a base. The rest were color parallels and PSA gave them all 9's.

If you don't believe that PSA is manipulating the market....then there's no hope for you.

We both looked at his small stack of cards. We couldn't find surface, corner or surface or centering issues on any of them.

Just the drop off of PSA 10's since the new year ought to tell you something. All of a sudden people are just submitting crappy cards? I don't buy it.

Sad!
Send them to BGS for a shot at BGS 9.5. Looks like they have a good chance. If your buddy does try the crack and submission to BGS, let us know the results.
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Old 06-13-2020, 12:04 AM   #10841
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WOW- People are SO RIGHT ABOUT PSA Grading Mahomes PRIZM HARD.

The one ended tonight for $700 was prob the nicest PSA 9 ive ever seen unless missing somthing truly looks just like my PSA 10's, and all my 9s have 1 white corner... this one looks really undergraded, clean and centered!




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Old 06-13-2020, 12:13 AM   #10842
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My last 4 sent in with perfect centering got two 8's and two 9's. I was pretty shocked. No dimple but 2 had the shadow in that spot. I gave up after that.
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Old 06-13-2020, 05:13 AM   #10843
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WOW- People are SO RIGHT ABOUT PSA Grading Mahomes PRIZM HARD.

The one ended tonight for $700 was prob the nicest PSA 9 ive ever seen unless missing somthing truly looks just like my PSA 10's, and all my 9s have 1 white corner... this one looks really undergraded, clean and centered!




I was watching this card and thought the same thing.


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Old 06-13-2020, 09:37 AM   #10844
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The gem mint percentage for both PSA and BGS is ~33%. It will be interesting to see if the % changes going forward especially with PSA, which can be attributed to stricter grading.

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I find it stunning that there aren’t even 800 PSA 10s yet. For comparison, there’s 1747 Luka Silver 10s.

So it may be a base card, but what’s the actual PR on it? I would argue that even at $3k+, it’s still undervalued.
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I find it stunning that there aren’t even 800 PSA 10s yet. For comparison, there’s 1747 Luka Silver 10s.

So it may be a base card, but what’s the actual PR on it? I would argue that even at $3k+, it’s still undervalued.
Plus they're grading it much differently now. Someone posted the numbers a few days ago but I think it's around 20% gem rate with current submissions. If that was always the case there would be under 500.
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Football cards have always sold for less compared to basketball and baseball. Basketball has more global reach and a broader collector base than football. For example, this is Zion's first year but look at the price of his Raw NT RPA/99-

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373081115598

Blowout announced a 500K bounty on Zion's NT Logoman 1/1

https://www.blowoutcards.com/blog/bl...lliamson-card/

EDIT: I do not find Mahomes Prizm PSA 10 and XRC PSA 10 attractive at current prices from a risk to reward standpoint but that is just my personal opinion.
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Man, I really need to send my Optic Holo into PSA
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Football cards have always sold for less compared to basketball and baseball. Basketball has more global reach and a broader collector base than football. For example, this is Zion's first year but look at the price of his Raw NT RPA/99-

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373081115598

Blowout announced a 500K bounty on Zion's NT Logoman 1/1

https://www.blowoutcards.com/blog/bl...lliamson-card/

EDIT: I do not find Mahomes Prizm PSA 10 and XRC PSA 10 attractive at current prices from a risk to reward standpoint but that is just my personal opinion.

This is all true, but I feel like some of that gap is closing, in part due to basketball collectors getting priced out and looking to football for opportunities.


The issue, though, is that football just has so many fewer guys to 'invest' in than basketball. This is my observation as someone who collected football for 15 years, left for 5 years to collect basketball, and now is back. There are only a handful of guys worth putting my money into short term, and an ever smaller number long term.

I threw some small change at Russell Wilson Topps Chrome PSA 10s and Refractors 2 months ago before they tripled, some prizm silver Daniel Jones and Lamar Jackson when Mahomes and Kyler went through the roof. But this is all stuff I'll move out of before too long.

The only place I've put my money that I plan on holding for a long time is Montana rookies, Brady, and Mahomes. In my mind, this is the past/present/future upper crust of modern football collecting.

Other guys, I just can't get into. Rodgers just doesn't do it for me. Brees will always be the 3rd-4th best of his era. And other young guys just seem too risky to dump big money into once I think of all the QB card busts over the years that actually weren't terrible players, but terrible investments: Carr, Luck, Newton, Ryan, Garappalo, etc.

My expectation that the separation between that top tier an the rest will grow is my reasoning being getting in on these guys.
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Man, I really need to send my Optic Holo into PSA
Sent mine in last month. Man those were good buys in February at $150-$200.
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