2020-21 NBA Season Thread

[asujbl]

Hayward to Atlanta... Twitter is buzzing...

[Dame]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

So Jimmy butler can have a 40 point triple double in a Finals game vs "the Goat" but he's not worthy of being a number 1....okay.
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By that logic. Kyrie also dropped a 41 point game against the Warriors in the Finals, guess he's also a #1 option?

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Dame

By that logic. Kyrie also dropped a 41 point game against the Warriors in the Finals, guess he's also a #1 option?

Jimmy and Kyrie are both closers and both are the number 1 options with the clock running down.

Jimmy has done it forever
Kyrie did it with the Cavs

Kyrie is not a number 1 leader. Jimmy is.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Jimmy and Kyrie are both closers and both are the number 1 options with the clock running down.

Jimmy has done it forever
Kyrie did it with the Cavs

Kyrie is not a number 1 leader. Jimmy is.

Have any actual stats to back this up?

I’d like to see “forever” vs “Cavs”

Thanks in advance

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Have any actual stats to back this up?

I’d like to see “forever” vs “Cavs”

Thanks in advance

Forever- Jimmy Butler has been doing it for 13.8 Billion Years
Cavs- Kyrie did it from 2011-2017.

[RedSoxFan28]

@Murf56
Per league source on the Celtics' view of a potential James Harden deal: "No interest."

[jcmel323]

Pat Riley would never trade for Harden. Guaranteed.
He prefers Derozan, Beal or even Hayward that fit Miami style.
He would rather have a bunch of role players in the 6-10ppg than Harden.

[brothertona]

The only thing I can see about the Hayward news is that he was planning to opt out and sign with the Hawks and the Celtics were planning on using him to acquire a center so pivoted to see if they could do a sign and trade for Dedmon. I like Dedmon as a backup but he was atrocious in Sacramento.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Jimmy and Kyrie are both closers and both are the number 1 options with the clock running down.

Jimmy has done it forever
Kyrie did it with the Cavs

Kyrie is not a number 1 leader. Jimmy is.

Except this is not true.

Care to guess who was Miami’s most reliable scorer against the Celtics, Pacers this playoffs?

It’s not Jimmy. It’s Dragic. Both eye test and statistics support this.

Heck he basically was the 3rd or 4th most reliable scoring option against the Celtics.



Mind you he also shot 42% in that series.



You guys keep putting Butler in this pedestal as if he’s an undisputed 1st option when nothing in his career suggests this. Matter of fact, a lot of people in the circle knows this.

Heck Pat Riley knows it, that’s why they are delaying extending Bam Adebayo all in hopes of preserving their cap for 2021 .





If some of you guys now wants to move goal post and say Jimmy is a leader, then I’ll give you that. But on a championship caliber team, he is not a 1st option.


22 6 and 6 in this climate is not a 1st option
Closing out 2 playoff series as the 2nd/3rd scorer is not a legitimate, championship caliber 1st option.

[brothertona]

If this was in the works than I think Okongwu is the pick for the Hawks at 6.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Forever- Jimmy Butler has been doing it for 13.8 Billion Years
Cavs- Kyrie did it from 2011-2017.

Well done.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Dame

Except this is not true.

Care to guess who was Miami’s most reliable scorer against the Celtics, Pacers this playoffs?

It’s not Jimmy. It’s Dragic. Both eye test and statistics support this.

Heck he basically was the 3rd or 4th most reliable scoring option against the Celtics.



Mind you he also shot 42% in that series.



You guys keep putting Butler in this pedestal as if he’s an undisputed 1st option when nothing in his career suggests this. Matter of fact, a lot of people in the circle knows this.

Heck Pat Riley knows it, that’s why they are delaying extending Bam Adebayo all in hopes of preserving their cap for 2021 .





If some of you guys now wants to move goal post and say Jimmy is a leader, then I’ll give you that. But on a championship caliber team, he is not a 1st option.


22 6 and 6 in this climate is not a 1st option
Closing out 2 playoff series as the 2nd/3rd scorer is not a legitimate, championship caliber 1st option.

He’s super good at making stuff up.

You’re new here so it’s OK

[Dame]

Originally Posted by asujbl

He’s super good at making stuff up.

You’re new here so it’s OK

Well thanks for the heads up.

I’ll stay quiet now.

[Erikthredd]

Originally Posted by brothertona

The only thing I can see about the Hayward news is that he was planning to opt out and sign with the Hawks and the Celtics were planning on using him to acquire a center so pivoted to see if they could do a sign and trade for Dedmon. I like Dedmon as a backup but he was atrocious in Sacramento.

There’s also been talk that Ainge might have asked him to hold off on his decision to see if they can agree to a sign & trade with the Pacers. I’m guessing if the money is the same between Atlanta & Indy then he’d likely prefer to go home to that new house he & his family just bought. i’m Also guessing here as well but I think Hayward might be helping the Celtics try to get something in return for him. Sucks that we gotta wait another two days for this one to happen.

[brothertona]

Originally Posted by Erikthredd

There’s also been talk that Ainge might have asked him to hold off on his decision to see if they can agree to a sign & trade with the Pacers. I’m guessing if the money is the same between Atlanta & Indy then he’d likely prefer to go home to that new house he & his family just bought. i’m Also guessing here as well but I think Hayward might be helping the Celtics try to get something in return for him. Sucks that we gotta wait another two days for this one to happen.

Agreed, I will say I never understood the attacks on him. He's really good, yes he got hurt last year but any team that gets him is a lot better. He's a great player/leader


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[Erikthredd]

I don’t dig into stats that deep but from everything I’ve read in recent weeks said Hayward is coming off his most efficient season of his career. He was great as the 4th option this past season it just sucked that come playoff time there was another injury. I think he just wants a fresh start somewhere else after these three injury riddled seasons in Boston.

[jfan2024]

I just saw it now but Anthony Puccio said Harden to Nets is verbally agreed to. That means it's done. The only source more reliable than Puccio on Nets news is maybe Ian Eagle and that's a maybe. Harden will be a Net. The only possibilities that could be holding up the announcement now are both worrying:

1. We're sign and trading somebody, likely Joe Harris hence it has to wait. Please no.
2. They have to wait until after the draft tomorrow so this way the Nets can trade both their 2020 and 2021 firsts and get around the Stepien rule. They'll pick for Houston tomorrow, and once draft is over they can then trade their 2021 first.

Still, can't believe it. My team is going to have KD, Kyrie, and Harden barring a Dwight Howard plane flight moment.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by jfan2024

I just saw it now but Anthony Puccio said Harden to Nets is verbally agreed to. That means it's done. The only source more reliable than Puccio on Nets news is maybe Ian Eagle and that's a maybe. Harden will be a Net. The only possibilities that could be holding up the announcement now are both worrying:

1. We're sign and trading somebody, likely Joe Harris hence it has to wait. Please no.
2. They have to wait until after the draft tomorrow so this way the Nets can trade both their 2020 and 2021 firsts and get around the Stepien rule. They'll pick for Houston tomorrow, and once draft is over they can then trade their 2021 first.

Still, can't believe it. My team is going to have KD, Kyrie, and Harden barring a Dwight Howard plane flight moment.

Not to spoil it for you but there's also this report.


Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
·
1h
“We’re willing to get uncomfortable,” a high-ranking Rockets source says regarding going to camp and into the season with unhappy superstars. Rockets asking price for James Harden: a young star and massive package of picks.


Of course, the Rockets could see Levert as that young star.

[Dnic]

Originally Posted by jfan2024

I just saw it now but Anthony Puccio said Harden to Nets is verbally agreed to. That means it's done. The only source more reliable than Puccio on Nets news is maybe Ian Eagle and that's a maybe. Harden will be a Net. The only possibilities that could be holding up the announcement now are both worrying:

1. We're sign and trading somebody, likely Joe Harris hence it has to wait. Please no.
2. They have to wait until after the draft tomorrow so this way the Nets can trade both their 2020 and 2021 firsts and get around the Stepien rule. They'll pick for Houston tomorrow, and once draft is over they can then trade their 2021 first.

Still, can't believe it. My team is going to have KD, Kyrie, and Harden barring a Dwight Howard plane flight moment.

I wouldn't be happy if I was a Nets fan, this could potentially be a very bad decision. Who will have the ball in their hands lol Kylie or Harden they are both very ball dependent players and also how will their personalities get along?

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Dame

Except this is not true.

Care to guess who was Miami’s most reliable scorer against the Celtics, Pacers this playoffs?

It’s not Jimmy. It’s Dragic. Both eye test and statistics support this.

Heck he basically was the 3rd or 4th most reliable scoring option against the Celtics.



Mind you he also shot 42% in that series.



You guys keep putting Butler in this pedestal as if he’s an undisputed 1st option when nothing in his career suggests this. Matter of fact, a lot of people in the circle knows this.

Heck Pat Riley knows it, that’s why they are delaying extending Bam Adebayo all in hopes of preserving their cap for 2021 .





If some of you guys now wants to move goal post and say Jimmy is a leader, then I’ll give you that. But on a championship caliber team, he is not a 1st option.


22 6 and 6 in this climate is not a 1st option
Closing out 2 playoff series as the 2nd/3rd scorer is not a legitimate, championship caliber 1st option.

LOL.

Dragic was awesome during these Playoffs. We've seen this movie before from him. He shot well and was just winding the clock back the whole run. Great to watch.

How did he go in the Finals? Oh that's right, he was dead.

So you're drafting Dragic over Jimmy now?

When the clock is running down Butler has been doing this since the Bulls, Philly and even Minny days.

Embiid was number 1
So was KAT
But Jimmy was winning them the games.

Technically he's probably never been a true number 1, but when it's closing time he's been the guy everywhere and still is.

Here I was thinking you were gonna have some impressive data but you just showed stats from a well balanced team with no true Superstar.

And just LOL if you side with asujbl, there's a reason I had to put his dribble on ignore.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Dame

By that logic. Kyrie also dropped a 41 point game against the Warriors in the Finals, guess he's also a #1 option?

Also, don't mention this game to asujbl, he gets really butthurt if you talk about Kyrie being good at all. He also thinks Kyrie only ever made 1 shot as a Cav. Yet he's had 2 massive game winning buckets vs the Dubs alone.

Dude is crazy talented. Although he is so weird. Kyrie I'm talking about of course.

Edit: Kyrie didn't have a 40 pt triple double like Jimmy did.

[jfan2024]

Originally Posted by Dame

Not to spoil it for you but there's also this report.


Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
·
1h
“We’re willing to get uncomfortable,” a high-ranking Rockets source says regarding going to camp and into the season with unhappy superstars. Rockets asking price for James Harden: a young star and massive package of picks.


Of course, the Rockets could see Levert as that young star.

As far as Nets news goes, Puccio and Ian Eagle go above all including Woj and Shams. Don't need an opinion from Tim McMahon. I've actually wondered whether Puccio's source is Sean Marks nowadays with his permission. Strong hunch it used to be Irina Pavlova under the Prokhorov days. Puccio and/or Eagle speak, it's the truth and will happen.

People will clown the Nets as they always do, especially now since Kyrie, Harden, and KD are 3 of the most unlikeable superstars in the game today. But the only thing more scary to defend than a Kyrie/KD pick and roll is probably a Harden/KD pick and roll. You're going to see team USA olympics style offense with these guys. Bring on Ibaka for the mini-MLE and all the ring chasing vet minimums. God bless defenses. I don't think LeBron/AD or Kawhi/Playoff P-TSD are going to be able to put up the 130-140 points needed 4 times in 7 games to beat us

[jfan2024]

Originally Posted by Dame

Not to spoil it for you but there's also this report.


Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
·
1h
“We’re willing to get uncomfortable,” a high-ranking Rockets source says regarding going to camp and into the season with unhappy superstars. Rockets asking price for James Harden: a young star and massive package of picks.


Of course, the Rockets could see Levert as that young star.

I will say though he's reporting "sources around the league" on this one which is a new one since he's normally just the Nets front office mouthpiece announcing facts after it's done. Then again, if he's wrong on this, it will literally be a first for Puccio to have said something wrong about the Nets

[Dnic]

Originally Posted by jfan2024

As far as Nets news goes, Puccio and Ian Eagle go above all including Woj and Shams. Don't need an opinion from Tim McMahon. I've actually wondered whether Puccio's source is Sean Marks nowadays with his permission. Strong hunch it used to be Irina Pavlova under the Prokhorov days. Puccio and/or Eagle speak, it's the truth and will happen.

People will clown the Nets as they always do, especially now since Kyrie, Harden, and KD are 3 of the most unlikeable superstars in the game today. But the only thing more scary to defend than a Kyrie/KD pick and roll is probably a Harden/KD pick and roll. You're going to see team USA olympics style offense with these guys. Bring on Ibaka for the mini-MLE and all the ring chasing vet minimums. God bless defenses. I don't think LeBron/AD or Kawhi/Playoff P-TSD are going to be able to put up the 130-140 points needed 4 times in 7 games to beat us

Lol gl with that only one of them maybe two will put up big numbers on any given night with two major ball dependent players oh and all 3 want to be the alpha lol...

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Also, don't mention this game to asujbl, he gets really butthurt if you talk about Kyrie being good at all. He also thinks Kyrie only ever made 1 shot as a Cav. Yet he's had 2 massive game winning buckets vs the Dubs alone.

Dude is crazy talented. Although he is so weird. Kyrie I'm talking about of course.

Edit: Kyrie didn't have a 40 pt triple double like Jimmy did.

I’m literally defending Kyrie

That’s how nuts you are in this discussion

That’s saying something