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Bronco Buster · 10-31-2016, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Why leave out the most important part of the article?

"As for the China incident, Kirby insisted that Clinton had nothing to do with the matter.

“To be clear – this was not Secretary Clinton’s hotel room and no citation whatsoever was given to Secretary Clinton, nor were any reports written about Secretary Clinton’s conduct,” Kirby said in the statement.

At the time of the security sweep, the suite was still inside of a Diplomatic Security-controlled area, Kirby said, and under the direct control of a Diplomatic Security agent posted outside the room.

“Ultimately, Diplomatic Security concluded that classified information had been improperly secured, but that the evidence did not support assigning culpability to any individual. Furthermore, the Diplomatic Security investigation concluded that due to the fact that the documents were found within a Diplomatic Security controlled area, the likelihood that the information was compromised was remote.”"

Just seems strange this wasn't included in the quote above.

Nothing in what I posted suggested Clinton herself was in the wrong so didn't think it was needed. The point is not only Clinton herself is/was careless with classified info but those closest to her as well. And this proves that the whole server thing wasn't a one time mistake they seem to have a history of making mistakes. Mistakes that we as a country can't afford to keep letting happen.

Now we got lucky in both these instances that someone behind them actually did do their job and the info didn't fall into the wrong hands. But what about the future or god forbid past instances where someone wasn't there to clean up their mistakes ? This is as much about carelessness as it is about criminal intent as in the case of the e-mails.

TheFrenzy · 10-31-2016, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 37Jetson

My guess is that the interference by Obama/Clinton in Comey's July decision will be documented in historical texts and still will not make a hill of beans difference to Hillary being elected President.

I will again ask you to watch the Comey video outlining all of the findings against Hillary relating to emails. If you have any intellectual honesty you will change your smug comments like "what has she been charged with".

Why are you assuming I'm smug? Why do I have to rely on your guess?

It's a simple question. For all of the angst and anger being tossed around in this thread, what has she actually done? Why are you avoiding such direct questioning?

TheFrenzy · 10-31-2016, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tke1600

You're the one that formed your statement that women were oppressed by not being able to vote

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I assume you're agreeing with this part. It seems self-evident.

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Originally Posted by tke1600

I don't agree at all.

So women being denied the right to vote was not oppression.

That does shed a lot of light on many of these comments.

tke1600 · 10-31-2016, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Why are you assuming I'm smug? Why do I have to rely on your guess?

It's a simple question. For all of the angst and anger being tossed around in this thread, what has she actually done? Why are you avoiding such direct questioning?

She had 33,000 emails bleach bitted after a congressional subpoena. Loretta Lynch, who I think is corrupt, gave out immunity to all those involved to cover it up. You can choose to believe Hillary just forgets everything and all those pleading the 5th have nothing to hide, but that doesn't really fly past objective Americans.

tke1600 · 10-31-2016, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

So women being denied the right to vote was not oppression.

That does shed a lot of light on many of these comments.

I don't agree with a lot of things that happened before I was born and I don't try to defend things I had nothing to do with.

Skipscards · 10-31-2016, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

So women being denied the right to vote was not oppression.

That does shed a lot of light on many of these comments.

Originally, most men couldn't vote either.

Nyfancam01 · 10-31-2016, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Panthersfans

So you're asking which Clinton is worse......right?

Nope.
i'm talking about people running for president RIGHT NOW.

You bringing up Bill clinton... trump is that you??? again???

I'm talking HILLARY vs TRUMP.
That's it. Bill IS NOT running for president. Just a friendly reminder since you and trump seem to keep forgetting

TheFrenzy · 10-31-2016, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tke1600

She had 33,000 emails bleach bitted after a congressional subpoena. Loretta Lynch, who I think is corrupt, gave out immunity to all those involved to cover it up. You can choose to believe Hillary just forgets everything and all those pleading the 5th have nothing to hide, but that doesn't really fly past objective Americans.

So objectively, what is the great evil that has been committed?

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Originally Posted by tke1600

I don't agree with a lot of things that happened before I was born and I don't try to defend things I had nothing to do with.

Bro, just say you don't agree with the idea of women being denied the franchise. It's 2016. We should all be on this page as Americans by now.

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Originally, most men couldn't vote either.

Again:

And this makes it better? Or worse? Or what exactly is your point?

Are you saying we should go back to only property-owning, white males being granted the franchise?

Onions · 10-31-2016, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Originally, most men couldn't vote either.

Very true.

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Isn't it crazy that it took our country almost 150 years to even allow women to vote? As in, it will be 2064 before our country will have allowed women to vote for as long as it prevented them from voting.

Not only did the first Americans write the founding documents without any provision for women to vote, but we then amended that document eighteen times before finally deciding to allow half of our adult population to fully participate in civic duty! It is unbelievable if you think about it.

And now the fact that we are possibly one week away from finally having a woman serve in the final male-only branch of government - well, it's something we should all be proud of as Americans.

Not saying they all will be, but they all should be to some degree. It's been 238 years, but American ideals are marching on!

This is the dumbest argument for Hillary I have heard yet, and that is saying something.

Just because women were not allowed to vote, doesn't mean we owe Hillary the presidency. We should elect a woman to be president, just not this one.

TheFrenzy · 10-31-2016, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Onions

This is the dumbest argument for Hillary I have heard yet, and that is saying something.

Just because women were not allowed to vote, doesn't mean we owe Hillary the presidency. We should elect a woman to be president, just not this one.

?????

Who said anything about owing Hillary the presidency? It's almost like you're projecting your own biases onto an otherwise neutral post....

Panthersfans · 10-31-2016, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

Nope.
i'm talking about people running for president RIGHT NOW.

You bringing up Bill clinton... trump is that you??? again???

I'm talking HILLARY vs TRUMP.
That's it. Bill IS NOT running for president. Just a friendly reminder since you and trump seem to keep forgetting

What's good for the goose........

Skipscards · 10-31-2016, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Again:

And this makes it better? Or worse? Or what exactly is your point?

Are you saying we should go back to only property-owning, white males being granted the franchise?

Why does everything have to be so serious? It's like you only have two speeds; attack and defend. It's just an interesting fact. Relax.

TheFrenzy · 10-31-2016, 10:10 PM

How I imagine people who read Breitbart:

cnewby · 10-31-2016, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Why does everything have to be so serious? It's like you only have two speeds; attack and defend. It's just an interesting fact. Relax.

So much truth.

tke1600 · 10-31-2016, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

So objectively, what is the great evil that has been committed?

Bro, just say you don't agree with the idea of women being denied the franchise. It's 2016. We should all be on this page as Americans by now.

Again:

And this makes it better? Or worse? Or what exactly is your point?

Are you saying we should go back to only property-owning, white males being granted the franchise?

I don't feel like going back and forth with issues that don't really pertain to this election or century. Of course I don't like that women couldn't vote. It doesn't make any sense to me living in this day and age why that happened.

I already said I don't base decisions on gender, which means I like the best person for the job, no matter what gender.

The "great evil" is that Clinton committed a crime and it was covered up. That is me "reading between the lines", reading Wikileaks, and understanding why she is being investigated again for crimes.

TheFrenzy · 10-31-2016, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Why does everything have to be so serious?

??????

I'm sorry. Was me asking you what you meant by your comment too serious for you?

I didn't mean to offend you.

That said, what did you mean by your comment?

Onions · 10-31-2016, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

How I imagine people who read Breitbart:

It's almost like you're projecting your own biases....

TheFrenzy · 10-31-2016, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tke1600

The "great evil" is that Clinton committed a crime and it was covered up. That is me "reading between the lines", reading Wikileaks, and understanding why she is being investigated again for crimes.

What was the great evil crime?

NeedChapmans · 10-31-2016, 10:17 PM

Hey, look who's leading the new DOJ investigation into Huma Abedin's emails ... Peter Kadzik.

NeedChapmans · 10-31-2016, 10:19 PM

tke1600 · 10-31-2016, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

What was the great evil crime?

I think we will soon find out. Right now it's the lies, obstruction of justice, and the coverup that are the biggest crimes.

TheFrenzy · 10-31-2016, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tke1600

I think we will soon find out.

And if it turns out to be nothing, will that be accepted by many in here?
Is there any reason to get angry at voters who want to see if anything actually comes of the investigations before they devote the time and energy to opposing Clinton?

Nyfancam01 · 10-31-2016, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tke1600

I honestly don't think we will find out anything at all. Right now it's just us republicans TRYING to think up the worst things possible and say the absolute worst things possible even though we have nothing for certain. We are trying our best to scare undecided voters into voting for the orange cheese puff.

fixed this for you.

I'm sure November 9th or so the F.B.I will come out and say they found nothing at all AGAIN and comey will look like even more of an idiot for his sad and pathetic attempt to sway this election.

Clinton will still win!

Skipscards · 10-31-2016, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

??????

I'm sorry. Was me asking you what you meant by your comment too serious for you?

I didn't mean to offend you.

That said, what did you mean by your comment?

See? You did it again. You immediately assume an adversarial position. I was talking about my comment. There was no deep meaning. It was just a statement. And you didn't offend me.

But if it will help you scratch an itch. I am happy to oblige. Women weren't the only people being oppressed. How about those non-land owning men? We still haven't elected one of those. Those poor people. If only we could make one of them President we'll have righted another wrong from 240 years ago.

But again...

jarrodsalas · 10-31-2016, 10:30 PM

Schoen: I'm a Democrat, and I worked for Bill Clinton, but I can't vote for Hillary

Schoen: I'm a Democrat, and I worked for Bill Clinton, but I can't vote for Hillary | Fox News

and for those that have FoxNews blocked. The original is here...

Doug Schoen: Reassessing my support for Hillary Clinton | TheHill

View Poll Results: 2016 Election
Hillary Clinton	81	19.19%
Donald Trump	188	44.55%
Neither	153	36.26%
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