2022 Topps Chrome Baseball Pre Sale.. thoughts?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by brios8

Hahaha that 20% drop has happened time over time and if we go by history they will rise back up.. but no one knows its future

So you hate sportscards now or whats your agenda apart from loving PSA everyday

I don’t hate cards at all. I hate pumpers who are trying to sucker dumbasses into buying product at disgusting inflated prices. Asset classes are collapsing, inflation is understated and skyrocketing, technical recession is incoming, and almost everyone is ignoring the looming layoffs. But here you are talking about $400 boxes of Topps Chrome like they can’t possibly go lower.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by brios8

Hahahaha nice try

If its $100 per box then its seems like your one of those who want things free in life because its never getting there lol, bot even 2021 topps chrome lol

Gucci at some point wasnt high end. Then it becomes popular and prices get higher becomes of the demand and it suddenly becomes high end. Not everything starts high end or maintains high end.

But here with cards it varies with the rookies in the product + other things..each market has different factors.

Topps Chrome Hobby MSRP was below $100 when I was buying it back in 2018/19 timeframe. And I did buy my boxes at ~$100 back then.

With print runs at multiples of those releases, and demand likely to fall back to levels we haven't seen since at least 2018-19 (if not earlier) what makes you think that prices won't get back to those levels or lower?

And the RC content was certainly hotter back then...

[pewe]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Ben Baller Chrome
There's several obvious signs that we've jumped the shark but you can't tell me in 10-15-20 years from now...we wont look back and just die laughing at Ben Baller Chrome and how it's a perfect example of how stupid things got. A complete joke of a release.

Cosmic, Gold, etc... it is out of hand

And running into the jaws of a horrible stagflation recession...

What I wonder: will Fanatics urp back up Topps and flee trading cards?!?

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by pewe

Cosmic, Gold, etc... it is out of hand

And running into the jaws of a horrible stagflation recession...

What I wonder: will Fanatics urp back up Topps and flee trading cards?!?

The Fanatics question is one I have been pondering. They couldn't have had worse timing for all of their overspending on everything hobby related. It is going to be hard to recoup the amount of money they sunk into this whole thing they are doing. Really hard.

[brios8]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I don’t hate cards at all. I hate pumpers who are trying to sucker dumbasses into buying product at disgusting inflated prices. Asset classes are collapsing, inflation is understated and skyrocketing, technical recession is incoming, and almost everyone is ignoring the looming layoffs. But here you are talking about $400 boxes of Topps Chrome like they can’t possibly go lower.

Ok, good luck with everything you do in life

Originally Posted by pewe

Topps Chrome Hobby MSRP was below $100 when I was buying it back in 2018/19 timeframe. And I did buy my boxes at ~$100 back then.

With print runs at multiples of those releases, and demand likely to fall back to levels we haven't seen since at least 2018-19 (if not earlier) what makes you think that prices won't get back to those levels or lower?

And the RC content was certainly hotter back then...

Oh ok so Acuna Bat down sapphire will go down to $200 and Soto Black updates to $300

Yeah sure.

And Tatis sapphires to $200 while Vlad topps chrome blue /150 to $200


OF COURSE NOT. ITS A DIFFERENT MARKET
DONT LIVE IN THE PAST

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by premium1981

The Fanatics question is one I have been pondering. They couldn't have had worse timing for all of their overspending on everything hobby related. It is going to be hard to recoup the amount of money they sunk into this whole thing they are doing. Really hard.

Maybe Topps is run by evil geniuses? They sell at peak to Fanatics. Then buy it back for pennies on the dollar when Fanatics gives up and realizes they hired a tone deaf monkey to run it during a recession.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I don’t hate cards at all. I hate pumpers who are trying to sucker dumbasses into buying product at disgusting inflated prices. Asset classes are collapsing, inflation is understated and skyrocketing, technical recession is HERE, and almost everyone is ignoring the looming layoffs. But here you are talking about $400 boxes of Topps Chrome like they can’t possibly go lower.

Wanted to correct for you

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by brios8

Oh ok so Acuna Bat down sapphire will go down to $200 and Soto Black updates to $300

Yeah sure.

And Tatis sapphires to $200 while Vlad topps chrome blue /150 to $200


OF COURSE NOT. ITS A DIFFERENT MARKET
DONT LIVE IN THE PAST

Hyperbolic statements make you look worse than you already do.

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

Wanted to correct for you

One more GDP print!

[brios8]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Hyperbolic statements make you look worse than you already do.


One more GDP print!

Oh wait.. you didnt like that statement because you have those types of cards lol

But he (Pewe) is saying because 2018 topps chrome was $100/box then 2022 could/should as well

So why not these cards.. because you own some then it isnt happening?

KhalDrogo the always smart troll right?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by brios8

Oh wait.. you didnt like that statement because you have those types of cards lol

But he (Pewe) is saying because 2018 topps chrome was $100/box then 2022 could/should as well

So why not these cards.. because you own some then it isnt happening?

KhalDrogo the always smart troll right?

Conflating a challenging truth with trolling is a big problem that you have.

Could TC hobby boxes go back to $100? Absolutely. Unfortunately for everyone, the cardboard cartel controls too much supply to let prices come back to a reasonable level any time soon.

I’m curious what you think a box of 2022 hobby should be.

[brios8]

Lets wait and see what happens
This is going in circles

Ill refrain from writing until around late July and see how things look.
Getting tiresome replying to 99% attacks lol.

Whatever happens happens

May all of you make the best decisions for your card collections/investments
Be happy and enjoy

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by brios8

Lets wait and see what happens
This is going in circles

Ill refrain from writing until around late July and see how things look.
Getting tiresome replying to 99% attacks lol.

Whatever happens happens

May all of you make the best decisions for your card collections/investments
Be happy and enjoy

Well, yeah these guys rely on the hobby for a living so they’re going to try to protect their livelihoods.

[GlenSepper]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Well, yeah these guys rely on the hobby for a living so they’re going to try to protect their livelihoods.

Yah, except the poster you're responding to is the "to the moon" poster.

He's upset people are pointing out the potential prolonged downturn we're facing (perhaps even stagflation) and how that won't be good for his cardboard investments. He seems to think cards are untouchable and will continue to go up, up, up.

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by brios8

Lets wait and see what happens
This is going in circles

Ill refrain from writing until around late July and see how things look.
Getting tiresome replying to 99% attacks lol.

Whatever happens happens

May all of you make the best decisions for your card collections/investments
Be happy and enjoy

Does the breeze make up for the Texas heat/humidity?

[ScooterD]

I’ve followed this thread from the beginning, and I’m starting to wonder what the point currently is.

If the OP thinks he/she got in on the ground floor is is going to make a killing - good for him/her, but why try convince everyone else that you made the smart move? Just wait for it to come to fruition and count your money on the way to the bank.

There’s no reason to defend your initial position unless you want to:

A) prove your the smartest guy in the room

B) shove your success in the faces of those who missed the boat

C) create demand, which will increase your re-sale value (if selling sealed)

D) all of the above

Bottom line is that you are either going to go down with the ship or sale off into glory - why sell front row tickets to either event?

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by GlenSepper

Yah, except the poster you're responding to is the "to the moon" poster.

He's upset people are pointing out the potential prolonged downturn we're facing (perhaps even stagflation) and how that won't be good for his cardboard investments. He seems to think cards are untouchable and will continue to go up, up, up.

MTP doesn't actually read what others post. He/she just has a rolodex of pre-determined responses that he/she toggles thru. Copy & Paste!

[pewe]

Originally Posted by brios8

OF COURSE NOT. ITS A DIFFERENT MARKET
DONT LIVE IN THE PAST

I encourage you to read this book to understand the value of historic precedence

https://www.amazon.com/Superforecast.../dp/0804136718

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

I’ve followed this thread from the beginning, and I’m starting to wonder what the point currently is.

If the OP thinks he/she got in on the ground floor is is going to make a killing - good for him/her, but why try convince everyone else that you made the smart move? Just wait for it to come to fruition and count your money on the way to the bank.

There’s no reason to defend your initial position unless you want to:

A) prove your the smartest guy in the room

B) shove your success in the faces of those who missed the boat

C) create demand, which will increase your re-sale value (if selling sealed)

D) all of the above

Bottom line is that you are either going to go down with the ship or sale off into glory - why sell front row tickets to either event?

OP has turned into the Dogecoin millionaire of this thread.

We can call him the “2022 topps chrome ten-thousandaire” instead.

The tutes (the BO peanut gallery) is glorifying him as the “to da moon pump” cover boy.

He will either revel in his own success as he proves all the naysayers wrong, or end up like what the dogecoin millionaire really is now, a dogecoin ten-thousandnaire, dusting off his brown uni with the Golden Arches in his closet and getting ready for his 6 am shifts at McDonald’s starting late September this year.

He could have retired had he cashed in, but soon he will be serving hash browns to car #2 in the drive thru.

[blackbears86]

As we get a little over a month out from release here are my thoughts:

1. This product will get printed to the moon: I'm seeing shades of 2014 topps chrome football here. (not surprising I know to many here)
2. The vets added to the checklist worry me: How many will be added, and how much harder will this make it to pull even ONE half decent rookie auto out of a jumbo box? Will this be a "vet dump"?
3. Checklist unknowns: IF the big rookies are included, will they be short prints? Will they be auto's only?
4. Prices: I can only explain the high pre-sell prices as manipulation at this point. Are people really this desperate? Is anyone buying? I'd love to know.



Like I said earlier: if you got in early, kudos, if you are thinking about a case now: GOOD LUCK.

[ThoseBackPages]

Brandon brings up a good point with Baller Chrome.... THAT is the "high end" topps chrome.

the numbered cards almost equal their real Topps Chrome counterparts, but the production level is probably 2% to 5% of real Topps Chrome

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Well, yeah these guys rely on the hobby for a living so they’re going to try to protect their livelihoods.

Might be your most brain dead post ever. Congratulations on lowering the bar even further.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Brandon brings up a good point with Baller Chrome.... THAT is the "high end" topps chrome.

the numbered cards almost equal their real Topps Chrome counterparts, but the production level is probably 2% to 5% of real Topps Chrome

good point. I do wonder what production numbers will look like on that this year.

[cj828282]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

good point. I do wonder what production numbers will look like on that this year.

We might be surprised. I have seen lower PRs on recent stuff. Bowman Megas stayed the same and Bowman Sapphire decreased by over 1/2. Baller may be around the 2020 PR.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by pewe

Cosmic, Gold, etc... it is out of hand

And running into the jaws of a horrible stagflation recession...

What I wonder: will Fanatics urp back up Topps and flee trading cards?!?

Originally Posted by premium1981

The Fanatics question is one I have been pondering. They couldn't have had worse timing for all of their overspending on everything hobby related. It is going to be hard to recoup the amount of money they sunk into this whole thing they are doing. Really hard.

Their business plan was always divorced from reality...

Rubin said he’d like to see at least a ten-fold increase in the number of people who are actively involved in the trading card space on some level.

“My goal would be how we have 50 million, or 100 million collectors, or hundreds of millions of collectors. So I think there’s a huge opportunity for us to really grow this market.”

That was from Feb 13 before the **** hit the fan so maybe time for them to rein in those expectations a little.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Their business plan was always divorced from reality...

Rubin said he’d like to see at least a ten-fold increase in the number of people who are actively involved in the trading card space on some level.

“My goal would be how we have 50 million, or 100 million collectors, or hundreds of millions of collectors. So I think there’s a huge opportunity for us to really grow this market.”

That was from Feb 13 before the **** hit the fan so maybe time for them to rein in those expectations a little.

Hold on, you're implying that when people can't afford food and fuel they're NOT going to keep buying baseball cards? I've been reassured by the pumpers that baseball card demand will only increase.