2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Illinois wants to go to 7.85%

State income tax rates are so insane nowadays. That’s what you get when you spend willy nilly.

What is it again that you do for a living?

I'm really trying to get my bearings for this discussion.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I know you won't tell me, because you've never posted a single fact in your life but I would love to hear it from you ... how did they attack Venezuela?

You will be referred to Google, I suspect.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

But I thought prior to 20126 he was a Democrat and was loved by liberals.

Think again.
No one ever loved him.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

But I thought prior to 20126 he was a Democrat and was loved by liberals.

Bill and Hillary went to his wedding

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Bill and Hillary went to his wedding

So are you saying Trump is only beloved by horrible human beings? That’s a very strong statement.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Ask the people of Venezuela.

Absolute Socialism as THE form of government won't work. Having a few socialistic programs in a mostly Democratic Capitalist government (which is what most of us pushing for socialized healthcare want) absolutely would work.

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[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Joan p

You really have no idea how Venezuela was attacked by the US and UK


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Please enlighten us all, oh wise one.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

If Prickzter gets his awful non flat income tax amendment passed, I might just have to move out of Illinois

The only reason I stay in IL where I'm at is because most of my family and my wife's family live in the same small town. I've always had it in the back of my mind though that if things get too bad in IL we might start looking at Indiana; we're only about 30 miles from the border now.

[pac213up]

New deal reached! Maybe!

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

The only reason I stay in IL where I'm at is because most of my family and my wife's family live in the same small town. I've always had it in the back of my mind though that if things get too bad in IL we might start looking at Indiana; we're only about 30 miles from the border now.

That’s a smart idea

It’s not only the income tax in Illinois that’s crazy, it’s the property tax also

[free2131]

The thing about just broadly saying, "Cut ALL taxes," is that you have to first figure out what is gonna be cut, how much is going to be cut, and if it's feasable to cut those programs.

The one guy who said to cut everything 25 percent is the only one I've seen to actually give an answer to any of those questions (and definitely one of the few who suggested a military cut). Yelling out about taxes does nothing.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by free2131

Yelling out about taxes does nothing.

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Pretty sure there's a few folks from Boston around 245 years ago who would disagree with you.

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[free2131]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Pretty sure there's a few folks from Boston around 245 years ago who would disagree with you.

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They didn't just yell, they took action. Plus, their issue was more about being taxed without any say in the matter (taxation without representation).

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[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by free2131

The thing about just broadly saying, "Cut ALL taxes," is that you have to first figure out what is gonna be cut, how much is going to be cut, and if it's feasable to cut those programs.

The one guy who said to cut everything 25 percent is the only one I've seen to actually give an answer to any of those questions (and definitely one of the few who suggested a military cut). Yelling out about taxes does nothing.

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That was me. The military would be the easiest of the government programs to cut 25% out, after SS and Medicare/Medicaid.

But my answer isn’t much of an answer because it will never happen.

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

You will be referred to Google, I suspect.

Because gawd forbid you do your own research.
2014 first set of US sanctions against Venezuela
2017 US and EU locks Venezuela out of the credit market
2019 Venezuela has to give Russia their share of Citgo to secure access to credit
2019 One day after meeting with Pence Guaido he claims Maduro is not the legal president.
Basically comes done to Guaido giving US access rights to Venezuela’s oil fields ( largest in the world )
The US is in violation of the Monroe doctrine as well .
Maybe you find this interesting enough to do your own research , like I have , or not . Either way , I don’t care


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[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by Joan p

Because gawd forbid you do your own research.
2014 first set of US sanctions against Venezuela
2017 US and EU locks Venezuela out of the credit market
2019 Venezuela has to give Russia their share of Citgo to secure access to credit
2019 One day after meeting with Pence Guaido he claims Maduro is not the legal president.
Basically comes done to Guaido giving US access rights to Venezuela’s oil fields ( largest in the world )
The US is in violation of the Monroe doctrine as well .
Maybe you find this interesting enough to do your own research , like I have , or not . Either way , I don’t care


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Can you please state why you think the US is in violation of the Monroe Doctrine, o expert Intrawebz resarcher?

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Can you please state why you think the US is in violation of the Monroe Doctrine, o expert Intrawebz resarcher?

The penalties for violating the Monroe Doctrine are pretty stiff too, I bet.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

The penalties for violating the Monroe Doctrine are pretty stiff too, I bet.

Oh my goodness, yes, I hadn't even considered that

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Can you please state why you think the US is in violation of the Monroe Doctrine, o expert Intrawebz resarcher?

Easy now. Give her time to copy and paste.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

That was me. The military would be the easiest of the government programs to cut 25% out, after SS and Medicare/Medicaid.



But my answer isn’t much of an answer because it will never happen.

If both sides were willing to come together and allow their championed causes to be cut, at least a little, we might be more likely to come to an agreement.

There's lots of room in something like SNAP or welfare to save some money, and that's without cutting any actual benefits. One of my pet peeves about SNAP is that you can buy pretty much any non-hot food you want. Cookies, candy, soda, lobster tail, etc. I think SNAP is a great program and we have a moral obligation to make sure people are able to eat. That being said, SNAP should be limited like WIC is. No candy. No junk food. Dairy, cereal, water, 100 percent fruit juice, veggies, lean meats, bread, pasta, baby formula, diapers, wipes, and essential items like that.

As for welfare, either directly pay utilities, rent, etc. or send vouchers that must be redeemed by those companies/people. No direct cash or loaded cards. Also allow vouchers for childcare so the parents are able to find jobs. Childcare should be looked at like power or water in terms of a necessity.



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[Joan p]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Can you please state why you think the US is in violation of the Monroe Doctrine, o expert Intrawebz resarcher?

I was about to but your moronic insult made me change my mind


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[Boo]

Originally Posted by Joan p

I was about to but your moronic insult made me change my mind


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So bitter, love it!

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

Easy now. Give her time to copy and paste.

Not really ,but why not post TDS , mad cow or fredo ? That’s about your level


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[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Joan p

Not really ,but why not post TDS , mad cow or fredo ? That’s about your level


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You just covered them all. Nice ethnic slur by the way

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by Joan p

Not really ,but why not post TDS , mad cow or fredo ? That’s about your level


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Feel free to quote anytime I have used any of those three insults. Good luck finding them. Bet I can quote Trumptard from you though