Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

[WalterAZ31]

lmao, everytime Vlad jr doesnt get a hit in a 2 game stretch, certain dumbo members of this forum act like the skys about to fall

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

lmao, everytime Vlad jr doesnt get a hit in a 2 game stretch, certain dumbo members of this forum act like the skys about to fall

Walter, if your hitting .333 then you need to go 1-3 every single game consecutive. None of this hit less for two games then pull off a 2-3 or 3-4 game. Geez

[Clause37]

People really are discounting his walk rate as well. He walked in the winning run last night and while he did have 5 k's over the last 3 games, he also had 4 walks on top of the hit. Also, walks don't count as at bats, so he's 1/8 in that span with an OBP of .416. So, you know, bad?

[ThoseBackPages]

i am not worried

[eye4talent]

Hopefully this is my last big Vlad mail day. The only reason I’m still buying is that there are still too many deals out there—I want to get priced out!


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[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Hopefully this is my last big Vlad mail day. The only reason I’m still buying is that there are still too many deals out there—I want to get priced out!


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That Mothers Day Pink went for far less then I’d imagined, you got it for an absolute song if that’s the one that sold last week. Had it in my watch list thought it’d go for 650-700 + tbh.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by PLAYED4NOTHING

That Mothers Day Pink went for far less then I’d imagined, you got it for an absolute song if that’s the one that sold last week. Had it in my watch list thought it’d go for 650-700 + tbh.

Yeah, that’s the one. I sold a raw Father’s Day a few weeks ago for $750, so I was more than happy to pick this one for less than half that.

What’s funny is that I only put the bid in as a Hail Mary, in the event that the entire card world was sleeping on it. I guess everyone just wants to spend that much on an Xfractor with a print run of a thousand or two...


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[jbruner23]

Picked up my first TCU color. Might be among his least coveted blues; but its Vlad, its serial numbered, and the price was right so I’m glad to have it.




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[beavers]

Originally Posted by jbruner23

Picked up my first TCU color. Might be among his least coveted blues; but its Vlad, its serial numbered, and the price was right so I’m glad to have it.




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Congrats, I love that card!

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Yeah, that’s the one. I sold a raw Father’s Day a few weeks ago for $750, so I was more than happy to pick this one for less than half that.

What’s funny is that I only put the bid in as a Hail Mary, in the event that the entire card world was sleeping on it. I guess everyone just wants to spend that much on an Xfractor with a print run of a thousand or two...


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Hahaha yeah that makes zero sense but you just got an extremely low #’d card for a December 19’ price. I’ve owned a raw pink and theres NO WAY mine was better then an PSA 8. That parallel is one tough Mother to be a Mint. We were all sleeping on it indeed (I actually fell asleep just before ended).

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by PLAYED4NOTHING

Hahaha yeah that makes zero sense but you just got an extremely low #’d card for a December 19’ price.

The Pinks are just not a desirable parallel. Everyone who buys a Pink thinks they got some crazy steal about how under market it was because it's numbered to 50 and they see how much lower it is than other parallels. I promise it's not some special situation to this specific Pink. They always lag tremendously for their rarity. Nothing against the card, if you like it, that's all that matters. Just pointing out that the market for the parallel is well defined over many years

[texmcpherson]

Originally Posted by BBases31

The Pinks are just not a desirable parallel. Everyone who buys a Pink thinks they got some crazy steal about how under market it was because it's numbered to 50 and they see how much lower it is than other parallels. I promise it's not some special situation to this specific Pink. They always lag tremendously for their rarity. Nothing against the card, if you like it, that's all that matters. Just pointing out that the market for the parallel is well defined over many years

I mean my favorite parallel is the flagship black but I’d be pretty stoked to get a pink or blue, especially for a good price. If there’s a parallel of any player that’s tearing up the league there will be a market for it.

[eye4talent]

While it’s generally true that the Mother’s Day lags behind the other rare flagship parallels, it is not true that is undesirable. For instance, a Mookie Betts 2014 Topps Update pink BGS 9 sold a couple months ago for $4,000. And the ‘14 pink is not a pretty card.

While I would expect the pictured pink Soto to sell for less than the pictured blue Sotos, there are a couple things to consider: first, the two blues have much stronger subgrades, while the pink has the lowest possible subgrades for a 9.5. I would argue these subgrades are a bigger determinant than color in the price difference (though both are factors).

The other thing to consider: it sold for $2,800 while Soto was off to a slow start to the season! You don’t spend that kind of money on a card unless its defining elements are considered desirable.

The value/desirability of Mother’s Day cards might lag somewhat relative to the black, Father’s Day, and Independence Day (at least in a couple years). But relative to all cards available in a given year, the Mother’s Day is a top-echelon card—which especially proves out the further a player ascends in the hobby.


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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

it is not true that is undesirable.

It is undesirable relative to it's rarity. There was another in addition to yours that ended in the last 2 weeks for $300. Just a coincidence that in a white hot Vlad market TWO of these finish "below market" at auction within a week of each other.

For instance, a Mookie Betts 2014 Topps Update pink BGS 9 sold a couple months ago for $4,000. And the ‘14 pink is not a pretty card.

Mookie is an extremely poor comparison. In 2014, the only #ed parallels above 10 and below Gold are Camo(/99 back then), Black, and Pink. Additionally, it's considerably rarer for parallels from 2014 Update to come up for sale than modern sets. If you wanted to buy any of the three right now, the only option is a single PSA 8 Pink on Ebay.

The other thing to consider: it sold for $2,800 while Soto was off to a slow start to the season!

The sale you showed me was 30% less than a Blue, which is already not desirable relative to it's rarity as well(but not to Pink's extent) and proves the point.

You don’t spend that kind of money on a card unless its defining elements are considered desirable.

Relative to it's rarity. 30% less than Blue. Soto also has considerably less high end rookie cards to choose from than any player that year

The value/desirability of Mother’s Day cards might lag somewhat relative to the black, Father’s Day, and Independence Day (at least in a couple years).

It lags a TON relative to a black and ALOT to an Indy Day lol. Big understatement there! And still 30%+ to a Blue!

But relative to all cards available in a given year, the Mother’s Day is a top-echelon card—which especially proves out the further a player ascends in the hobby.

All that matters is that you like the card, you shouldn't care what others or the market thinks. But the market has spoken

[eye4talent]

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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by BBases31

It is undesirable relative to it's rarity. There was another in addition to yours that ended in the last 2 weeks for $300. Just a coincidence that in a white hot Vlad market TWO of these finish "below market" at auction within a week of each other.



Mookie is an extremely poor comparison. In 2014, the only #ed parallels above 10 and below Gold are Camo(/99 back then), Black, and Pink. Additionally, it's considerably rarer for parallels from 2014 Update to come up for sale than modern sets. If you wanted to buy any of the three right now, the only option is a single PSA 8 Pink on Ebay.



The sale you showed me was 30% less than a Blue, which is already not desirable relative to it's rarity as well(but not to Pink's extent) and proves the point.




Relative to it's rarity. 30% less than Blue. Soto also has considerably less high end rookie cards to choose from than any player that year



It lags a TON relative to a black and ALOT to an Indy Day lol. Big understatement there! And still 30%+ to a Blue!



All that matters is that you like the card, you shouldn't care what others or the market thinks. But the market has spoken

The Mookie Betts comparison... You made a reference to the history of Topps pink and how it had been established that pinks are less desirable. Well, the history of pinks /50 goes back to 2013. So, what is this historical timeframe that you’re referencing? Regardless, there aren’t all that many more parallels in 2019 than in 2014, and you really made my case that, as time passes, these parallels become more difficult to find—and thus make strong investments. (The long-term variety.)

The Soto blues... I clearly laid out that comparison. Feel free to re-read my previous post.

The other Vlad pink... You’re missing the greater narrative that has strung through the Vlad thread of late, which is that his flagship parallels are generally undervalued. We went through this with the Clear /10 the other day. Meanwhile, the blacks are showing strong sales. In terms of market trends, it’s quite common for one card to lead the way, and the others to follow. It’s not at all surprising that the black would be the first to pop, while the others would (hopefully) start moving upward. And why would the black lead the way? Continue reading to find out...

The black comparison... Again, you’re missing a greater narrative or understanding. The black is the original flagship parallel with a sub-100 print run. It is king—like how gold refractors in Chrome are more desirable than gold waves or black refractors /35 from Bowman Chrome a while back. Precedence is key. (This is also a big reason why Chrome green /99 lags behind blue /150.) And so the characterization that pinks are less desirable relative to their print run misses the mark. The black is king. Independence Day is really only revered for its ‘18 design. Blue is a little more desirable than pink. Camo, if anything, is the one that is undervalued for its print run—as admirable as it is to honor Memorial Day, the card’s aesthetics are problematic. Regardless of those micro-distinctions within the flagship context, pink remains a very strong long-term investment within the hobby if you think your guy is on track to be a superstar/HOF-caliber player. (The same can be said of Chrome gold waves.)

That is because, as the black continues upward, and all 60-something black cards of your player are gobbled up and/or reach an unaffordable price point, collectors/investors will begin turning to the next best options. And as hobby momentum gains exponentially for a player, then all those flagship parallels start to look like paper gold. Same with Topps Chrome and all its parallels, which happen to be popping sooner than flagship in the Vlad market.

I don’t recall what other gibberish you wrote, but I will say that this is the last time I will engage with you. I had mainly avoided doing so since your return from suspension, but I was trying to correct the record in this case. I even let it pass when you said Vlad was 1 for his last 12. (He was 1 for his last 8, and 4 for his last 12). Unfortunately, no matter how much correcting occurs, you will keep twisting the issues to fit your own narrative to try to be “right.”

And furthermore, you admit to not watching much baseball, so true baseball fans in this forum shouldn’t be wasting their time arguing with you or reacting to your inflammatory, contrarian comments.


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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I don’t recall what other gibberish you wrote, but I will say that this is the last time I will engage with you. I had mainly avoided doing so since your return from suspension

what suspension?

but I was trying to correct the record in this case. I even let it pass when you said Vlad was 1 for his last 12. (He was 1 for his last 8, and 4 for his last 12).

He had 1 hit in his last 12 PAs with 5 strikeouts when I wrote that. And now 2 hits in his last 16 PAs with 6 strikeouts

And furthermore, you admit to not watching much baseball, so true baseball fans in this forum shouldn’t be wasting their time arguing with you or reacting to your inflammatory, contrarian comments.

You are the most thin skinned dude on this forum. Feel free to use that ignore button

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by BBases31

You are the most thin skinned dude on this forum.

That's like the fourth person I've seen you say that to. Reminds me of an old Irish proverb:

"If you run into an a-hole on your way to work in the morning, that's just bad luck. If you run into a-holes all day long, you're the a-hole."

Arthur

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

That's like the fourth person I've seen you say that to. Reminds me of an old Irish proverb:

"If you run into an a-hole on your way to work in the morning, that's just bad luck. If you run into a-holes all day long, you're the a-hole."

Arthur

oh, that one is good. ive not heard that one before

[WalterAZ31]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

That's like the fourth person I've seen you say that to. Reminds me of an old Irish proverb:

"If you run into an a-hole on your way to work in the morning, that's just bad luck. If you run into a-holes all day long, you're the a-hole."

Arthur

ring that bell

[Chris P]

Vladdy Mailday..Topps 3D RC

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

That's like the fourth person I've seen you say that to. Reminds me of an old Irish proverb:

"If you run into an a-hole on your way to work in the morning, that's just bad luck. If you run into a-holes all day long, you're the a-hole."

Arthur

Probably the only place he can be a big man without being slapped around. Keeping the responses minimal usually works.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Probably the only place he can be a big man without being slapped around. Keeping the responses minimal usually works.

Tough guy over here! Thank god I'm past the days where I would get beat up on the playground! Based on the pictures I see from all these card shows, I think I'd do quite alright against 98% of this hobby

[beavers]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Tough guy over here! Thank god I'm past the days where I would get beat up on the playground! Based on the pictures I see from all these card shows, I think I'd do quite alright against 98% of this hobby

Cringe.

[doowopbruce]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

That's like the fourth person I've seen you say that to. Reminds me of an old Irish proverb:

"If you run into an a-hole on your way to work in the morning, that's just bad luck. If you run into a-holes all day long, you're the a-hole."

Arthur

Go Arthur!