Corbin Carroll

[Giancarlo27]

Weird how little hype he’s getting on this board considering his prospect pedigree, and the fact that he is going to finish with close to 6 WAR in his age 22 season. Special player for sure

[SupermanBrandon]

Stolen bases dont matter this year

[Lotus12]

Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

Weird how little hype he’s getting on this board considering his prospect pedigree, and the fact that he is going to finish with close to 6 WAR in his age 22 season. Special player for sure

Fine by me as I still have a few cards I’m looking to purchase.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

Weird how little hype he’s getting on this board considering his prospect pedigree, and the fact that he is going to finish with close to 6 WAR in his age 22 season. Special player for sure

It's a product of most people missing the boat. Same thing happened with Ohtani. The first year he won the MVP, his thread would routinely drop the second page and didn't have much traffic most of the season because most of blowout had already given up on Ohtani and didn't have any part of the price upswing

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

Weird how little hype he’s getting on this board considering his prospect pedigree, and the fact that he is going to finish with close to 6 WAR in his age 22 season. Special player for sure

This thread has been bumped plenty when he's been hot. For example, 4 hits and an HR today. In the first half this thread was bumped just about every day, but he didn't keep up that pace.

He is the #1 gainer of the 26 guys in my Price Index as of yesterday. The only player likely to pass him is Acuna. As far as unadjusted price, he's jsut a hair behind Vlad and Witt and ahead of Gunnar, Adley, and Volpe. He's more than double Wander (I would have never thought this could happen so fast!) and about half of J-Rod. In fact if I keep it to guys +/- 1 year in age, the only guy who doesn't make sense is Elly, at 50% over Carroll. If I add in 1999 baseball birth year (Vlad, Tatis, Soto) then Carroll looks downright expensive.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Stolen bases dont matter this year

Your point actually has some merit. I’m not savvy enough to figure it out, but I’d bet there are a number of players who set career highs in SBs this year. Last year only 20 players stole 20+ bases, this year 40 have done it, with another 6 at 19 and 2 at 18. In 2022 only 6 players had 30 or more, this year 13 already do and several close to 30. Jon Berti led the MLB with 41 SB last year. Nico Hoerner has 41 now good for 6th place in the MLB. Point is, it’s way easier to steal bases than ever before, so of course more will do it. The bases are closer together and larger. The distance between 2nd-3rd was 88 ft 1.5 inches. This year it’s 87 feet… that’s 13.5 inches closer than ever. As amazing a stat as it is, it’s more easy to steal bases than even last year.


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[towerymt]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

The distance between 2nd-3rd was 88 ft 1.5 inches. This year it’s 87 feet… that’s 13.5 inches closer than ever. As amazing a stat as it is, it’s more easy to steal bases than even last year.

Bases went from 15" to 18". Distance 1st to 2nd decreased by 4.5". 3" at 1st base and 1.5" at 2nd base.

https://www.mlb.com/news/basepath-me...w-bigger-bases

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Stolen bases dont matter this year

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Your point actually has some merit. I’m not savvy enough to figure it out, but I’d bet there are a number of players who set career highs in SBs this year. Last year only 20 players stole 20+ bases, this year 40 have done it, with another 6 at 19 and 2 at 18. In 2022 only 6 players had 30 or more, this year 13 already do and several close to 30. Jon Berti led the MLB with 41 SB last year. Nico Hoerner has 41 now good for 6th place in the MLB. Point is, it’s way easier to steal bases than ever before, so of course more will do it. The bases are closer together and larger. The distance between 2nd-3rd was 88 ft 1.5 inches. This year it’s 87 feet… that’s 13.5 inches closer than ever. As amazing a stat as it is, it’s more easy to steal bases than even last year.


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Yes and no. Stolen bases have never mattered unless they come with power. That is as true this year as ever. The guys who are doing both have had plenty of ink spilled on their feats, and that includes Corbin Carroll.

The guys who may be getting hurt are the one's a little farther down the SB list. Guys like Francisco Lindor (26/28), Fernando Tatis (25/28 with a big ol *), Kyle Tucker (28/28, just as underrated now as ever), Trea Turner (26/28, I can't believe this! I was under the impression that he was terrible), and Jose Ramirez (24/26, pretty much par for the course).

Then again, they may not be getting hurt. I think the only one of those who would have had any hype for his SB even last year is Tucker at 28/28, being so close to 30/30. This year with two guys already there and another needing one measly HR in 14 games, there isn't as much attention to go to Tucker. Then again Tucker had 30/25 last year, so there's that.

I think the reason there is a perception that these guys are getting less hype than they should is there is just less hype to go around. I measure hype in $. While Ronald Acuna is the best he's ever been on a relative basis, his BCA is half of what it was at its peak. Likewise Corbin Carroll is near his all time high, but he's nowhere near guys who are/were chumps when the market was bigger. Where Carroll is right now doesn't even crack the Top 25 in April, 2021.

[Jman330]

Matchups just came out . 2nd the toughest for CC but he’ll get at Least a hit imo.Second two gotta love em’ for both team and CC. If he was a yankee He would hit 35+ hrs a year. I’m going out on a limb but I’d bet he gets at least one over the 325 short porch.��������������

[pewe]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

Yes and no. Stolen bases have never mattered unless they come with power. That is as true this year as ever. The guys who are doing both have had plenty of ink spilled on their feats, and that includes Corbin Carroll.

The guys who may be getting hurt are the one's a little farther down the SB list. Guys like Francisco Lindor (26/28), Fernando Tatis (25/28 with a big ol *), Kyle Tucker (28/28, just as underrated now as ever), Trea Turner (26/28, I can't believe this! I was under the impression that he was terrible), and Jose Ramirez (24/26, pretty much par for the course).

Then again, they may not be getting hurt. I think the only one of those who would have had any hype for his SB even last year is Tucker at 28/28, being so close to 30/30. This year with two guys already there and another needing one measly HR in 14 games, there isn't as much attention to go to Tucker. Then again Tucker had 30/25 last year, so there's that.

I think the reason there is a perception that these guys are getting less hype than they should is there is just less hype to go around. I measure hype in $. While Ronald Acuna is the best he's ever been on a relative basis, his BCA is half of what it was at its peak. Likewise Corbin Carroll is near his all time high, but he's nowhere near guys who are/were chumps when the market was bigger. Where Carroll is right now doesn't even crack the Top 25 in April, 2021.

Funny thing is you don’t even mention JRod who made 30/30 already.

Fangraphs had an article on how easy it is for folks to make the SB thresholds this year and the volume of recent rookies likely to make it: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/julio-ro...30-30-players/


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[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by pewe

Funny thing is you don’t even mention JRod who made 30/30 already.

Fangraphs had an article on how easy it is for folks to make the SB thresholds this year and the volume of recent rookies likely to make it: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/julio-ro...30-30-players/


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He's one of the two that are already there.

I didn't mention his card price because nobody wants to talk about how he's having a better year than last year yet his price is down 20%! Corbin Carroll will be in the same boat next year.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

He's one of the two that are already there.

I didn't mention his card price because nobody wants to talk about how he's having a better year than last year yet his price is down 20%! Corbin Carroll will be in the same boat next year.

You are telling me this just *after* I buy a nice Carroll

I’m not worried… like you imply, I’m not planning to go crazy on him any time soon. Just grabbed one thing that doesn’t come up too often after the initial product release


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[slogue2]

My CC auto collection is coming along nicely. The most recent addition just popped at PSA.


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[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by slogue2

My CC auto collection is coming along nicely. The most recent addition just popped at PSA.


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Daaaaaaaaang. That’s hot.

[chester0711]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

He's one of the two that are already there.

I didn't mention his card price because nobody wants to talk about how he's having a better year than last year yet his price is down 20%! Corbin Carroll will be in the same boat next year.

Well, that's the "hobby" for you.

I mean, if all that mattered was guys playing well, Freddie Freeman cards would be priceless at this point.

it has less to do with what they do, more to do with style and how they do it....not too mention a dose of timing.

[SupermanBrandon]

Corbin will probably be down 20%+ next year as well. There's an entire new crop of young hyped guys coming in every 2024 release. CC will be an after thought unfortunately. It happens almost every year.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Corbin will probably be down 20%+ next year as well. There's an entire new crop of young hyped guys coming in every 2024 release. CC will be an after thought unfortunately. It happens almost every year.

And when he blows out his shoulder again, then what happens???


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[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by pewe

And when he blows out his shoulder again, then what happens???

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Well I hope that doesn't happen

[pewe]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Well I hope that doesn't happen

It’s the one thing that terrifies me - he’s got such a huge swing


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[chester0711]

Forget blowing his shoulder out. If he bats .260 next year, its over....next new flavor.

[BAHoopla]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Corbin will probably be down 20%+ next year as well. There's an entire new crop of young hyped guys coming in every 2024 release. CC will be an after thought unfortunately. It happens almost every year.

I unloaded my two 10s (19 1sr blue and 19 best blue auto) during his really hot streak mid season for twice what I paid and now I’m dipping back in as prices have cooled…will post the now one when it arrives. Always a bargain or two to be had and a window to sell as well. Exciting player who plays the game with a passion. Happy collecting/prospecting or enjoy just being fan!

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by BAHoopla

I unloaded my two 10s (19 1sr blue and 19 best blue auto) during his really hot streak mid season for twice what I paid and now I’m dipping back in as prices have cooled…will post the now one when it arrives. Always a bargain or two to be had and a window to sell as well. Exciting player who plays the game with a passion. Happy collecting/prospecting or enjoy just being fan!

He's a blast to watch. Incredible player. Hopefully his team can get even better too. I like watching stars play on good teams. It matters for the growth of the sport.

[BAHoopla]

Originally Posted by pewe

You are telling me this just *after* I buy a nice Carroll

I’m not worried… like you imply, I’m not planning to go crazy on him by time soon. Just grabbed one thing that doesn’t come up too often after the initial product release


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Do post when it arrives…bet it’s a nice one

[pewe]

Originally Posted by chester0711

Forget blowing his shoulder out. If he bats .260 next year, its over....next new flavor.

A sophomore slump is the best friend of a PC

Just look at Devers… we were able to get discounts for two years after his sophomore slump


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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by pewe

I’m not worried… like you imply, I’m not planning to go crazy on him by time soon. Just grabbed one thing that doesn’t come up too often after the initial product release

Anyone saying he's definitely going down next season doesn't know baseball. Corbin can compete for an MVP, there's very few who you put in the conversation as a reasonable shot. The issue with Corbin and everyone after 2019 is supply. The growth of the hobby has not caught up with the supply they are putting for 2023 levels to really light the singles market on fire. He probably needs MVP conversation for his stuff to go up.

The Julio comparison is not apples to apples because he was starting from a much higher base of hype coming into the league and going into his second season