2022 Baseball HOF ballot - Page 41

SaveMeTheGum · 01-25-2022, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

1 that's just hitters
2 Rivera's WAR is 34% higher than any other relief pitcher

Ok, if we are going to talk relief pitchers, where does Papi's WAR rank for DH's for a fair comparison.

Dbacksbaseball · 01-25-2022, 06:33 PM

Disagree with Papi getting in but do not bring the WAR argument to the table for a DH/Cement footed first baseman. It’s a trash argument.

JRX · 01-25-2022, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Ok, if we are going to talk relief pitchers, where does Papi's WAR rank for DH's for a fair comparison.

22% lower than Edgar

whitesoxfan3579 · 01-25-2022, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NHRonin

For those claiming Ortiz is a known steroid user, that’s incorrect. He is reported to have failed one test and that was from a leaked report that even MLB said may have been a false positive. Never tested positive again while maintaining the same stats. Never suspended like Manny or ARod.

Get over it.

False positive… do you still believe in the tooth fairy?

silverandblack · 01-25-2022, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NHRonin

For those claiming Ortiz is a known steroid user, that’s incorrect. He is reported to have failed one test and that was from a leaked report that even MLB said may have been a false positive. Never tested positive again while maintaining the same stats. Never suspended like Manny or ARod.

Get over it.

It’s not incorrect, he has a failed test and is the only player voted in with a failed test. Sure it could be a false positive but it also could have been an actual failed test. Bonds has zero failed tests and is a significantly better ball player then Ortiz.

SaveMeTheGum · 01-25-2022, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

22% lower than Edgar

So second highest. And I'll take the leader in HR's, RBI's, along with the rings and postseason numbers any day.

NHRonin · 01-25-2022, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm just here to watch this thread BLOW UP because David Ortiz is in the HOF and Bonds/Clemens are not.

The crybabies will be out in full force for sure. Their warm salty tears are like the fountain of youth for us Ortiz fans.

ThoseBackPages · 01-25-2022, 06:36 PM

a sad day for The Hobby

D-Lite · 01-25-2022, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Where does Mariano Rivera's WAR rank?

bWAR?

56.3

Ortiz: 55.3

silverandblack · 01-25-2022, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NHRonin

The crybabies will be out in full force for sure. Their warm salty tears are like the fountain of youth for us Ortiz fans.

I don’t think anyone thinks Ortiz isn’t a HOFer but him getting in over Bonds is a joke. Bonds is a significantly better ball player

JRX · 01-25-2022, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by silverandblack

It’s not incorrect he has a failed test and is the only player voted in with a failed test. Sure it could be a false positive but it also could have been an actual failed test. Bonds has zero failed tests and is a significantly better ball player then Ortiz.

You also have to believe he is the only player to have discovered a magic elixir that's not steroids that will turn around your career at age 34 and help you go on to be a dominant player at age 40. Oh that's right, it was just his work ethic lol.

Bottom line if you want to be into the hall, suck up to the media.

SaveMeTheGum · 01-25-2022, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

a sad day for The Hobby

I was sure Bonds and Clemens were in, but I quit at the $10k mark on the Tiffany Bonds/Clemens PSA 10 rookies. Maybe I can snag one for a discount now.

Silent George · 01-25-2022, 06:38 PM

Congrats to Ortiz

Congrats to Schilling for finally being away from the writers

Congrats to Schilling, Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa for entering the only phase of the Hall of Fame process where they stand a chance: an eventual Vets committee election

Congrats to Hunter, Beuhlre, Abreau and a few others for surviving this overloaded ballot to start getting a real chance to grow next year

Congrats to the writers for officially cementing your hypocrisy and creating yet another era our elite media will be looked back on and laughed at

And a damn shame goes out to Joe Nathan, but most egregiously to Tim Hudson. When only 3% of voters choose Tim Hudson, your electorate sucks. Hudson joins a growing list of players who will one day make the Hall of Fame, maybe after death when it's too late to enjoy it - to the growing befuddlement of future baseball fans of how he ever fell off a ballot.

Seriously, it's time for a Hall of Fame test for writers. Something that proves they actually understand history and stats and have a clue about perspective. There are 10-15 members of this ballot that can look at the current players that are enshrined and rightfully wonder why they didn't get more support.

asujbl · 01-25-2022, 06:38 PM

Baseball gets more embarrassing by the day

And I’m a casual fan. Fully admit

All of us (casual fans) don’t give two craps if Bonds and Clemens make it if Ortiz makes it

Literally no one cares except for hardcore (which is fine) baseball folks

I’m not wrong

Siberian13 · 01-25-2022, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SethMurphy

Does Ortiz deserve to be in, in your opinion?

I haven't read the entire thread so I'm not trolling. But I know why people don't think Clemens/Bonds don't belong, but Ortiz has a positive PED test, so he's a confirmed user.

No he doesn’t.

RedSoxFan28 · 01-25-2022, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

22% lower than Edgar

Thats the DH with the highest WAR, and is in the HOF.

Thats like saying Griffey Jr shouldnt be in the HOF since his WAR is about half of Babe Ruth's.

zworykin · 01-25-2022, 06:40 PM

It's almost like all of these people with their strong opinions on who should and shouldn't be in the HoF don't actually understand the stated mission of the HoF, which is not "to reward 'clean' play" but rather, and this is a direct quote, "to preserve the sport's history, honor excellence within the game and make a connection between the generations of people who enjoy baseball."

Point being, WHO CARES if someone used steroids? Does that make them no longer a part of the sport's history? Does that mean they weren't excellent? Does that mean that the "generations of people who enjoy baseball" didn't enjoy watching them? Or wouldn't want to know about them in the future?

It isn't called the Hall of Clean, or even the Hall of Indisputably Best Players. Maybe there's a reason for that.

blackbears86 · 01-25-2022, 06:41 PM

For those saying Bonds/Clemens should be in: You better also be yelling for A-Rod to get in.

goodsport97 · 01-25-2022, 06:41 PM

Just booked my flight and lodging for HoF weekend. Haven't been to one before, but I'll never have the chance to see a childhood hero go in again. Once in a lifetime opportunity, so happy I can do it this year.

ThoseBackPages · 01-25-2022, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

For those saying Bonds/Clemens should be in: You better also be yelling for A-Rod to get in.

absolutely!

SaveMeTheGum · 01-25-2022, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by goodsport97

Just booked my flight and lodging for HoF weekend. Haven't been to one before, but I'll never have the chance to see a childhood hero go in again. Once in a lifetime opportunity, so happy I can do it this year.

My brothers and I just did the same!

D-Lite · 01-25-2022, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Thats the DH with the highest WAR, and is in the HOF.

Thats like saying Griffey Jr shouldnt be in the HOF since his WAR is about half of Babe Ruth's.

And how many years did it take Edgar with no issues about possible PED use to get in?

asujbl · 01-25-2022, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

For those saying Bonds/Clemens should be in: You better also be yelling for A-Rod to get in.

He 100% should be in

Silent George · 01-25-2022, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Thats the DH with the highest WAR, and is in the HOF.

Thats like saying Griffey Jr shouldnt be in the HOF since his WAR is about half of Babe Ruth's.

I'm glad Ortiz is in. But arguing the DH position against only the DH position is silly. It's punishing players who weren't too terrible to put on a glove. DH's need to be so good they have to overcome the complete lack of value they bring to half the game. Ortiz was that good.

JRX · 01-25-2022, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Silent George

Congrats to Ortiz

Congrats to Schilling for finally being away from the writers

Congrats to Schilling, Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa for entering the only phase of the Hall of Fame process where they stand a chance: an eventual Vets committee election

Congrats to Hunter, Beuhlre, Abreau and a few others for surviving this overloaded ballot to start getting a real chance to grow next year

Congrats to the writers for officially cementing your hypocrisy and creating yet another era our elite media will be looked back on and laughed at

And a damn shame goes out to Joe Nathan, but most egregiously to Tim Hudson. When only 3% of voters choose Tim Hudson, your electorate sucks. Hudson joins a growing list of players who will one day make the Hall of Fame, maybe after death when it's too late to enjoy it - to the growing befuddlement of future baseball fans of how he ever fell off a ballot.

Seriously, it's time for a Hall of Fame test for writers. Something that proves they actually understand history and stats and have a clue about perspective. There are 10-15 members of this ballot that can look at the current players that are enshrined and rightfully wonder why they didn't get more support.

During his career, Hudson actually led mlb in Wins. A bit surprising he got zero consideration.

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01-25-2022, 06:41 PM	#1019
goodsport97 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 846 redsoxfanatic97	Just booked my flight and lodging for HoF weekend. Haven't been to one before, but I'll never have the chance to see a childhood hero go in again. Once in a lifetime opportunity, so happy I can do it this year. __________________ Red Sox, Jonah Heim @lasershowcards on Instagram

01-25-2022, 06:38 PM	#1013
Silent George Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,147	Congrats to Ortiz Congrats to Schilling for finally being away from the writers Congrats to Schilling, Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa for entering the only phase of the Hall of Fame process where they stand a chance: an eventual Vets committee election Congrats to Hunter, Beuhlre, Abreau and a few others for surviving this overloaded ballot to start getting a real chance to grow next year Congrats to the writers for officially cementing your hypocrisy and creating yet another era our elite media will be looked back on and laughed at And a damn shame goes out to Joe Nathan, but most egregiously to Tim Hudson. When only 3% of voters choose Tim Hudson, your electorate sucks. Hudson joins a growing list of players who will one day make the Hall of Fame, maybe after death when it's too late to enjoy it - to the growing befuddlement of future baseball fans of how he ever fell off a ballot. Seriously, it's time for a Hall of Fame test for writers. Something that proves they actually understand history and stats and have a clue about perspective. There are 10-15 members of this ballot that can look at the current players that are enshrined and rightfully wonder why they didn't get more support.

01-25-2022, 06:40 PM	#1017
zworykin Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 6,072 zworykin2	It's almost like all of these people with their strong opinions on who should and shouldn't be in the HoF don't actually understand the stated mission of the HoF, which is not "to reward 'clean' play" but rather, and this is a direct quote, "to preserve the sport's history, honor excellence within the game and make a connection between the generations of people who enjoy baseball." Point being, WHO CARES if someone used steroids? Does that make them no longer a part of the sport's history? Does that mean they weren't excellent? Does that mean that the "generations of people who enjoy baseball" didn't enjoy watching them? Or wouldn't want to know about them in the future? It isn't called the Hall of Clean, or even the Hall of Indisputably Best Players. Maybe there's a reason for that.

01-25-2022, 06:41 PM	#1018
blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,188 blackbears86	For those saying Bonds/Clemens should be in: You better also be yelling for A-Rod to get in.