2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Anyone else find it interesting that when these types of discussion were forbidden all hell would break loose in a mad dash before the deletion, yet now that they are allowed most of us have maintained restraint? It has been said that when someone doesn't have something they value it more then when they actually do. Seems to be the case so far.

Prohibition...

[Clarka3]

so I very much dislike Ted Cruz based on his politics. i wanted to get that out first.

that being said, wouldn't him not endorsing Trump show that he's sticking to his principles and be a positive thing? Same with Kasich just not even attending?


again, I cannot STAND Cruz and do not want him anywhere near a government position, but from the outside looking in I respect him for not bowing down.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by greentown

Since less than half of illegal immigrants are Mexican, you automatically assuming an illegal immigrant is a Mexican makes you a bigot.

Donald Trump has never mentioned illegal Bolivian immigrants.

He's also never mentioned illegal Peruvian immigrants.

He has spoken of Mexicans. Period.

Oh, and Muslims.

Obviously, you didn't read my posts. Whether missed or whatever, here:

My stance is that they're NOT ALL FROM MEXICO. Brown skin does NOT equal Mexican, and the term ''hispanic'' or ''latino'' is a ridiculous term to use, at least to me. This lumps Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc. into one group, which we absolutely are not.


Notice the "WE" part in there. WE, as in myself being included, have been subject to outright racism our entire lives. Having a HUGE Mexican population where I live, in a predominately WHITE, Conservative area will do that.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

I'm not stereotyping all rich white men, but with money/power comes a sense of entitlement and an inflation of importance to a lot of people. I ASSUME, as the Donald likes to say in a tongue in cheek way, that there are rich BLACK/BROWN men who are the same. The problem is, this RICH WHITE MAN is running for president so that's who I was discussing.

I find it amusing that Trump's supporters call his statements 'fact'...of course it's fact. No one is denying that there are plenty of illegal immigrants who are criminals.

My stance is that they're NOT ALL FROM MEXICO. Brown skin does NOT equal Mexican, and the term ''hispanic'' or ''latino'' is a ridiculous term to use, at least to me. This lumps Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc. into one group, which we absolutely are not.

I am PRO IMMIGRATION reform, but for ALL people, not just Mexicans.

Do you think all illegals in this country should be deported?

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

Prohibition...

Very good example there for sure.

I just really think we should all appreciate Houdini approaching the other mods and/or BO with what I am sure was at first a preposterous request. I don't always agree with the magic man but there is no question he does his job to the best of his ability.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Donald Trump has never mentioned illegal Bolivian immigrants.

He's also never mentioned illegal Peruvian immigrants.

He has spoken of Mexicans. Period.

Oh, and Muslims.

Obviously, you didn't read my posts. Whether missed or whatever, here:

My stance is that they're NOT ALL FROM MEXICO. Brown skin does NOT equal Mexican, and the term ''hispanic'' or ''latino'' is a ridiculous term to use, at least to me. This lumps Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc. into one group, which we absolutely are not.


Notice the "WE" part in there. WE, as in myself being included, have been subject to outright racism our entire lives. Having a HUGE Mexican population where I live, in a predominately WHITE, Conservative area will do that.

You realize that whites living in Mexico, Asians in Africa, etc all deal with racism right. Not saying it's right, but it's the way it is. Whites deal with racism in this country too.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Do you think all illegals in this country should be deported?

Honestly, I don't think the answer is that simple.

In my community, Mexicans (not hispanics, because the ''latino'' population is 100% Mexican), have been here for generations. I know of people who have been here for 40 years, have children born here who have attended college and become teachers, lawyers, etc, who do not have legal citizenship.

These people are pillars of my community, who work hard and are positives for us. Someone like that...is it possible to give them a chance? I don't know.

I know something has to be done, but I am not positive of the answer. I don't think you should open our borders, any borders, for anyone and everyone to come in. No way.

I have family members and close friends who entered illegally, and then went through the process to gain permanent residency. Some were able to stay during the process, some had to return to Mexico. I have a close friend who came here as a little girl, and in her early 20's had to return for 2 years.

I also have a friend immigrated to California with his mother when he was 2. At 30, he began the process and was sent back for 10 years. He's half-way done.

My community is wonderful, in that our crime rate is practically non-existant, and that's where I get my view of people from. I know that other communities deal with crime, drugs, etc. from illegal immigrants. I get that. We don't.

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

So you hold that against him and then stereotype rich white men? Nothing in trumps statement is false.

I guess we can use this quote for any group. Black, Asian, White, Woman, Man, Rich, Poor..

"They're bringging drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people...''

[greentown]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Donald Trump has never mentioned illegal Bolivian immigrants.

He's also never mentioned illegal Peruvian immigrants.

He has spoken of Mexicans. Period.

Oh, and Muslims.

Obviously, you didn't read my posts. Whether missed or whatever, here:

My stance is that they're NOT ALL FROM MEXICO. Brown skin does NOT equal Mexican, and the term ''hispanic'' or ''latino'' is a ridiculous term to use, at least to me. This lumps Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc. into one group, which we absolutely are not.


Notice the "WE" part in there. WE, as in myself being included, have been subject to outright racism our entire lives. Having a HUGE Mexican population where I live, in a predominately WHITE, Conservative area will do that.

A. That was posted while I was posting it, so at the time, it was not visible.

B. Was not necessaaimed at you, but included you as that was your last posted while I was posting. Everytime I see a video of a Trump protestor, they always seem to say how he wants to deport Mexicans. Always with the Mexicans. They always seem to equate illegal immigrant with Mexican. Seems awfully bigotted to me.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

You realize that whites living in Mexico, Asians in Africa, etc all deal with racism right. Not saying it's right, but it's the way it is. Whites deal with racism in this country too.

Absolutely. Racism is all about color, but color cannot always protect you.

It's sad, but it's reality.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by greentown

A. That was posted while I was posting it, so at the time, it was not visible.

B. Was not necessaaimed at you, but included you as that was your last posted while I was posting. Everytime I see a video of a Trump protestor, they always seem to say how he wants to deport Mexicans. Always with the Mexicans. They always seem to equate illegal immigrant with Mexican. Seems awfully bigotted to me.

Has he mentioned any other Spanish-speaking immigrant group?

[jarrodsalas]

They come from all over the globe to cross in to the US.

Immigrants From Over 75 Countries Illegally Crossing U.S. Border

[greentown]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Has he mentioned any other Spanish-speaking immigrant group?

Has he said only Mexicans are illegal immigrants? He is right to specifically mention Mexico seeing as most illegal immigrants enter from Mexico. Hell, last year, 6 Canadians were detained trying to illegally enter from Mexico.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Has he mentioned any other Spanish-speaking immigrant group?

I have heard him mention Guatemala and El Salvador. I will try to find some clips.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

I have heard him mention Guatemala and El Salvador. I will try to find some clips.

I get that his opposition has been a part of the problem, and I know that a 'wall' on the Mexican border would be beneficial in slowing down immigrants from ALL OVER the world from entering.

I think, as a presidential candidate, you have to be clear and concise in your plan, and when people question it, you should have answers, not insults.

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by greentown

Has he said only Mexicans are illegal immigrants? He is right to specifically mention Mexico seeing as most illegal immigrants enter from Mexico. Hell, last year, 6 Canadians were detained trying to illegally enter from Mexico.

From the strategy standpoint, he knows that most people in this group don't have voting right. Might as well continuing to beat the dead horse and get more white people's votes.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

I get that his opposition has been a part of the problem, and I know that a 'wall' on the Mexican border would be beneficial in slowing down immigrants from ALL OVER the world from entering.

I think, as a presidential candidate, you have to be clear and concise in your plan, and when people question it, you should have answers, not insults.

He has answered it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/...007/?tid=a_inl

[greentown]

Originally Posted by xavieronly1

From the strategy standpoint, he knows that most people in this group don't have voting right. Might as well continuing to beat the dead horse and get more white people's votes.

White people can be here illegally as well you know. :-P

I think the NYC nanny industry is 99.9% illegally immigrated white British women.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

He has answered it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/...007/?tid=a_inl

When questioned, I want Trump to have a conversation, not hurl insults and duck and dodge.

This memo wasn't written by him, most likely. We know how great their writers are, lol.

This answers the 'wall question', but not the illegal immigration and what to do about them. Mexico's president already told him to F OFF, as far as the wall goes.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

I'm not stereotyping all rich white men, but with money/power comes a sense of entitlement and an inflation of importance to a lot of people. I ASSUME, as the Donald likes to say in a tongue in cheek way, that there are rich BLACK/BROWN men who are the same. The problem is, this RICH WHITE MAN is running for president so that's who I was discussing.

I find it amusing that Trump's supporters call his statements 'fact'...of course it's fact. No one is denying that there are plenty of illegal immigrants who are criminals.

My stance is that they're NOT ALL FROM MEXICO. Brown skin does NOT equal Mexican, and the term ''hispanic'' or ''latino'' is a ridiculous term to use, at least to me. This lumps Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, etc. into one group, which we absolutely are not.

I am PRO IMMIGRATION reform, but for ALL people, not just Mexicans.

I prefer the term " white hispanic".

[greentown]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

When questioned, I want Trump to have a conversation, not hurl insults and duck and dodge.

This memo wasn't written by him, most likely. We know how great their writers are, lol.

This answers the 'wall question', but not the illegal immigration and what to do about them. Mexico's president already told him to F OFF, as far as the wall goes.

Funny, the first line is what I want from Hillary...

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by greentown

White people can be here illegally as well you know. :-P

I think the NYC nanny industry is 99.9% illegally immigrated white British women.

I know some nanny's NYC and you are wrong with this statistic.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by greentown

Funny, the first line is what I want from Hillary...

Which you'll never get because she's got a new stance every other week. ALl she can do is duck and dodge

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by greentown

White people can be here illegally as well you know. :-P

I think the NYC nanny industry is 99.9% illegally immigrated white British women.

You clearly have no idea what the nanny industry is like in NYC.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

so I very much dislike Ted Cruz based on his politics. i wanted to get that out first.

that being said, wouldn't him not endorsing Trump show that he's sticking to his principles and be a positive thing? Same with Kasich just not even attending?


again, I cannot STAND Cruz and do not want him anywhere near a government position, but from the outside looking in I respect him for not bowing down.

I'd say the opposite. He, along with all the primary candidates signed a pledge that they would support the eventual candidate. Clearly they all did this out of fear Trump would run as a third party. But when he won, we got to see just how principled Cruz and some of the others were.

I get why someone wouldn't want to support him, but then don't sign the pledge.