2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by pac213up

We will see if Trump can close the gap again. The Biden v. Trump polling has been a lot more consistent than Clinton v Trump.

We shall see.

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[Soxfanguy]

I understand why some of the Bernie people don’t want to vote for Biden. They probably think Biden is going to lose regardless, so if he loses by a landslide, the Democrats might run a more progressive candidate in 2024

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

I understand why some of the Bernie people don’t want to vote for Biden. They probably think Biden is going to lose regardless, so if he loses by a landslide, the Democrats might run a more progressive candidate in 2024

Part of the reason, but still dont think they will be more progressive in 2024. Also Biden is a trash candidate/ person, not going to vote for lesser evil. Biden is whats wrong with politicians, and Trump is whats wrong with Americans.

[Vintage Collector]

Originally Posted by Joan p

Whoever I vote for will support the Green New Deal and universal healthcare


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Hahaha good one.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by RedSoxFan28

Part of the reason, but still dont think they will be more progressive in 2024. Also Biden is a trash candidate/ person, not going to vote for lesser evil. Biden is whats wrong with politicians, and Trump is whats wrong with Americans.

It will be interesting to see how many votes the Green Party gets. If a lot of people vote for Hankins, maybe the DNC will look at that

[RedSoxFan28]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

It will be interesting to see how many votes the Green Party gets. If a lot of people vote for Hankins, maybe the DNC will look at that

They should, but doubt they will. Would need major changes in the DNC for it to happen. Even in exit polls this year in every state (maybe 1 or 2 didn't) majority of people supported Bernie's policies over Biden's.

[jdandns]

Bernie's preferred policies will heavily influence the Democratic Party platform.
That's why he's already on board with Biden.
He could've taken his own bid all the way to the convention had he wanted to.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by discostu

They should have done nothing for any businesses and just done stimulus to the people. Let to people decide what businesses survive and which do not.

The money being thrown around with little thought is insane.

But some of the businesses have been ordered closed. How do the people decide about those places?

And I agree, the money being thrown around is insane.

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by discostu

They should have done nothing for any businesses and just done stimulus to the people. Let to people decide what businesses survive and which do not.

The money being thrown around with little thought is insane.

So screw the businesses that wanted to continue their operation but were forced closed by the government? How is that fair to people that own these businesses

[discostu]

Originally Posted by discostu

They should have done nothing for any businesses and just done stimulus to the people. Let to people decide what businesses survive and which do not.

The money being thrown around with little thought is insane.

Originally Posted by gopherfan

But some of the businesses have been ordered closed. How do the people decide about those places?

And I agree, the money being thrown around is insane.

Our company has been locked out of our building for a month. We paid a month of payroll out of our pocket, and after Wells Fargo absolutely screwed the pooch with their small business customers, we let everyone go on Monday/Wednesday.

Why did we let them go? We have no revenue to pay them and no work for them to do. As a company, the sole reason we sought PPP funds was to keep our employees on payroll, nothing more.

If the stimulus went completely to actual humans, there's no need to provide something like PPP.

If we're going to dance with socialism, keep it for humans only. Enough of this cronyism crap. Businesses can and should die.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

So screw the businesses that wanted to continue their operation but were forced closed by the government? How is that fair to people that own these businesses

We're talking money, "fair" rarely enters the equation. It's not "fair" that certain industries constantly get bailed out while other are left to die. It certainly isn't "fair" that certain banks did nothing to help their customers. It certainly isn't "fair" that bigger businesses get a safety net that smaller companies (who are actually dealing solely in hardcore, boot on the neck capitalism) do not.

If every human has money coming in, businesses can be "on hold." Those that should fail...fail.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

If every human has money coming in, businesses can be "on hold." Those that should fail...fail.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by discostu

We're talking money, "fair" rarely enters the equation. It's not "fair" that certain industries constantly get bailed out while other are left to die. It certainly isn't "fair" that certain banks did nothing to help their customers. It certainly isn't "fair" that bigger businesses get a safety net that smaller companies (who are actually dealing solely in hardcore, boot on the neck capitalism) do not.

If every human has money coming in, businesses can be "on hold." Those that should fail...fail.

Oh hell I’ll bite. When all those businesses fail where are all the people that don’t have free money coming in anymore work?

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

So screw the businesses that wanted to continue their operation but were forced closed by the government? How is that fair to people that own these businesses

I agree.

If the government makes businesses close, they better pay them for it

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by carlo16

Oh hell I’ll bite. When all those businesses fail where are all the people that don’t have free money coming in anymore work?

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

I agree.

If the government makes businesses close, they better pay them for it

Because health insurance runs through employment, you can't kill business. (I don't think the two should be connected, but they are).

[jdandns]

That's yet another compelling argument for universal healthcare.
Bravo.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by carlo16

Oh hell I’ll bite. When all those businesses fail where are all the people that don’t have free money coming in anymore work?

The same place they would if Coronavirus never reared it's spikey, clingy head...somewhere else.

The same place people worked after the 2008 recession which also exposed countless American small businesses, while propping up huge corporations...somewhere else.

And for full disclosure...I'm taking a very pessimistic approach to who and how they make it out of this nightmare.

I'm also of the belief that as a nation, we hit the fast forward button on things like UBI, nationalized healthcare, etc.

This Coronavirus issue will go down as an overreaction, but probably necessary based on information and projections that we had at the time.

Short-term damage and long-term damage will be the end result.

20+ million unemployed and we're not done yet.

[rman112]

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[carlo16]

Originally Posted by discostu

The same place they would if Coronavirus never reared it's spikey, clingy head...somewhere else.

The same place people worked after the 2008 recession which also exposed countless American small businesses, while propping up huge corporations...somewhere else.

And for full disclosure...I'm taking a very pessimistic approach to who and how they make it out of this nightmare.

I'm also of the belief that as a nation, we hit the fast forward button on things like UBI, nationalized healthcare, etc.

This Coronavirus issue will go down as an overreaction, but probably necessary based on information and projections that we had at the time.

Short-term damage and long-term damage will be the end result.

20+ million unemployed and we're not done yet.

Well seeing the unemployment rate is already more than double the rate in 2008 recession that’s a lot of somewhere else’s. When we run out of somewhere else’s just like socialists run out of other peoples money...what then?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by carlo16

Well seeing the unemployment rate is already more than double the rate in 2008 recession that’s a lot of somewhere else’s. When we run out of somewhere else’s just like socialists run out of other peoples money...what then?

The new and improved bread line.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The new and improved bread line.

Looks like Walmart’s parking lot. Get used to that view because soon that’ll be the only business left in business.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by carlo16

Well seeing the unemployment rate is already more than double the rate in 2008 recession that’s a lot of somewhere else’s. When we run out of somewhere else’s just like socialists run out of other peoples money...what then?

I don't disagree.

This is where we're headed...fewer and fewer jobs and more and more people.

[TheHeel]

Why is Michael Flynn being mentioned at the Corona press conference?

Now, Trump is calling some FBI Agents (the ones who investigated him) scum.

The man has definitely declined cognitively.

[free2131]

Again, I reiterate:

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Why is Michael Flynn being mentioned at the Corona press conference?

Now, Trump is calling some FBI Agents (the ones who investigated him) scum.

The man has definitely declined cognitively.

The irony of you calling out members for saying you're on their mind, while you are consistently focused on any and every perceived negative about Trump, is amusing.