Horror Movie Fans

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Good thing you're ready for a reboot to the three main franchises, because "Halloween Returns" (a continuation from the original Halloween 2) , "Friday the 13th" (being remade again), and "A Nightmare on Elm Street (also being remade again) are all scheduled to hit in the next two years.

Awesome about Halloween! I think I read that they thought Myers wasn't the face of the franchise at that point and tried something new in the third installment, which failed miserably. Should be cool to watch.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by SpastikMooss

Because the entity is a metaphor for the feelings she's dealing with and early on she can't handle them and everything is too much and by the end when she's finally coming to terms with things and actually dealing with her emotions she has the strength to conquer it and that's why it backs down. It's not like...a literal monster movie. It's all mental and a lot of people were unsatisfied with that but if you look at it that way it's really good.

It sort of reminded me of Tall Man with Jessica Biel. Similar movie where everything is set up with one expectation...but then everything switches and the monster isn't what he seems. I found the other stuff going on to be WAY more satisfying in Babadook than in Tall Man.

I'm glad somebody walked through this

The entire movie is psychological. I'm not all about "looking at a movie a certain way and oh NOW it's good", but I really, really liked Babadook for what it was.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by SpastikMooss

So you're saying there's gonna be a new Halloween 3?!?!?!

Yep. It's supposed to take place 18 years after the original Halloween 2 and focus on the Deputy from the sequel that was instructed to take Loomis out of Haddonfield. Myers is supposedly on death row and the deputy's teenage daughter sneaks into a maximum security prison (!) to watch the execution. Myers naturally avoids death and starts back on the war path. It also doesn't involve Laurie and they may have tinkered with the original timeline. If that sounds confusing, join the club.

It all sounds very unhalloween like to me, but anything is better than the train wreck of a script they had for a direct sequel to Zombies H2. I'd be more worried if Dunstan and Melton weren't brought in to make this happen. I'm a huge fan of the Collector series and their take on Saw for the most part.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

I'm glad somebody walked through this

The entire movie is psychological. I'm not all about "looking at a movie a certain way and oh NOW it's good", but I really, really liked Babadook for what it was.

You got it

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Yep. It's supposed to take place 18 years after the original Halloween 2 and focus on the Deputy from the sequel that was instructed to take Loomis out of Haddonfield. Myers is supposedly on death row and the deputy's teenage daughter sneaks into a maximum security prison (!) to watch the execution. Myers naturally avoids death and starts back on the war path. It also doesn't involve Laurie and they may have tinkered with the original timeline. If that sounds confusing, join the club.

It all sounds very unhalloween like to me, but anything is better than the train wreck of a script they had for a direct sequel to Zombies H2. I'd be more worried if Dunstan and Melton weren't brought in to make this happen. I'm a huge fan of the Collector series and their take on Saw for the most part.

I was kinda making a joke on the original Halloween 3...

That said, lol, I totally agree a departure from the Zombie Halloweens would be nice. But I don't think taking Halloween in a Collector/Collection or Saw space would be good. The original Halloween had like 3 deaths the whole movie...it was all about building suspense. It's not a gorefest or puzzle movie like Saw and Collector are and that'd ruin the series for me.

Also, in terms of "if it doesn't involve Laurie they may have tinkered with the timeline," have you seen the original Halloween 4 or 5? Laurie is not in those...it's still a relative but it's like a niece or something played by Danielle Harris, and those movies still move along pretty well and have a decent following. Laurie is really only there in the original movie, 2, and then all the 90's and 00's reboots. The original 3-5 have no Laurie Strode at all.

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Yep. It's supposed to take place 18 years after the original Halloween 2 and focus on the Deputy from the sequel that was instructed to take Loomis out of Haddonfield. Myers is supposedly on death row and the deputy's teenage daughter sneaks into a maximum security prison (!) to watch the execution. Myers naturally avoids death and starts back on the war path. It also doesn't involve Laurie and they may have tinkered with the original timeline. If that sounds confusing, join the club.

It all sounds very unhalloween like to me, but anything is better than the train wreck of a script they had for a direct sequel to Zombies H2. I'd be more worried if Dunstan and Melton weren't brought in to make this happen. I'm a huge fan of the Collector series and their take on Saw for the most part.

Good to know. Is it possible for them to film it with the older technology that was used back then? (You seem to know a lot more then I do) That would give it that authentic feel and not just another remake like Zombie's.

I'd like to see Myers on death row, strapped into the electric chair. Then all hell breaks loose as usual.

[Seahawks fan]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

I'm glad somebody walked through this

The entire movie is psychological. I'm not all about "looking at a movie a certain way and oh NOW it's good", but I really, really liked Babadook for what it was.

I agree with his points too but if you are already throwing the SH word out there a few times and breaking necks of dogs then it isnt intended for kids yet the main character is about as scary looking as Johnny Depp in Charlie and the chocolate factory. Had they made it looks creepier like the pages in the book then it would have been a much better movie.. it would have been better had they shown what it looked like at the end too. I left with a feeling like had they cut out the couple swear words and the dog you were honestly left with a lifetime channel movie of a mom struggling.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Good to know. Is it possible for them to film it with the older technology that was used back then? (You seem to know a lot more then I do) That would give it that authentic feel and not just another remake like Zombie's.

I'd like to see Myers on death row, strapped into the electric chair. Then all hell breaks loose as usual.

Yeah they can shoot stuff to make it look 70's/80's. Not like same technology...but new technology that can make it look like old technology. House of the Devil did this really well - it looks and feels like the film was shot in 1975 and it's awesome.

I think it's gonna be hard to truly ever re-capture the original Halloween though. I mean the original was just so slow in terms of today's pace...Halloween 2's body count is crazy high in comparison. I don't think a lot of people today would watch a true Halloween remake. They want Halloween but with the body counts of Halloween 2 or the 90's reboots, which isn't what the original was.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by SpastikMooss

You got it



I was kinda making a joke on the original Halloween 3...

That said, lol, I totally agree a departure from the Zombie Halloweens would be nice. But I don't think taking Halloween in a Collector/Collection or Saw space would be good. The original Halloween had like 3 deaths the whole movie...it was all about building suspense. It's not a gorefest or puzzle movie like Saw and Collector are and that'd ruin the series for me.

Also, in terms of "if it doesn't involve Laurie they may have tinkered with the timeline," have you seen the original Halloween 4 or 5? Laurie is not in those...it's still a relative but it's like a niece or something played by Danielle Harris, and those movies still move along pretty well and have a decent following. Laurie is really only there in the original movie, 2, and then all the 90's and 00's reboots. The original 3-5 have no Laurie Strode at all.

Oh I'm aware, but Jamie Lloyd was Laurie's daughter in parts 4-6. Every installment of the series was tied together (minus part 3) until the Zombie remake. Casual audiences are going to be asked to forget the remakes, and forget most of the timeline for the original two films even though it's a sequel to part two. That's a bit much to ask of moviegoers that don't keep up with this stuff.

Also, Dunstan and Melton aren't trying to turn Myers into the Collector or Jigsaw. Akkad has already said that they want to return to the stalk and slash formula from the original series.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

I agree with his points too but if you are already throwing the SH word out there a few times and breaking necks of dogs then it isnt intended for kids yet the main character is about as scary looking as Johnny Depp in Charlie and the chocolate factory. Had they made it looks creepier like the pages in the book then it would have been a much better movie.. it would have been better had they shown what it looked like at the end too. I left with a feeling like had they cut out the couple swear words and the dog you were honestly left with a lifetime channel movie of a mom struggling.

And I don't totally disagree with your end point - I think this is very much a movie of a mom struggling more than anything else (which is why I called it a drama). But it's definitely like...one of the strongest movies of a mom struggling that I've ever seen. It's like a lifetime movie that was actually good and since it was in a theater could actually have cuss words and real sh$t happen rather than sugar coating everything because it's on TV. And that stuff only adds to the real-ness of her struggle - of course she's gonna cuss, she's a woman in crisis.

It's really like...an example of bad advertising. People and streaming services called it horror, and people went in expecting horror with a true monster, and it's not that kind of movie. Drama sure, psychological horror sure, but not the movie it was advertised as and that's why a lot of people have beef with it (which it totally fine...it isn't what it said it was...but I was still happy with it).

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Oh I'm aware, but Jamie Lloyd was Laurie's daughter in parts 4-6. Every installment of the series was tied together (minus part 3) until the Zombie remake. Casual audiences are going to be asked to forget the remakes, and forget most of the timeline for the original two films even though it's a sequel to part two. That's a bit much to ask of moviegoers that don't keep up with this stuff.

Also, Dunstan and Melton aren't trying to turn Myers into the Collector or Jigsaw. Akkad has already said that they want to return to the stalk and slash formula from the original series.

Ahh gotcha. I forgot she was Laurie's daughter

And if they can truly get back to the stalk and slash formula, that'd be awesome. I just haven't seen anything by these guys that wasn't all traps and torture porn (those movies are great, but they aren't Halloween for me).

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Good to know. Is it possible for them to film it with the older technology that was used back then? (You seem to know a lot more then I do) That would give it that authentic feel and not just another remake like Zombie's.

I'd like to see Myers on death row, strapped into the electric chair. Then all hell breaks loose as usual.

Myers on death row is interesting, but I don't want him being unmasked and humanized. That's what I'm worried about. And apparently this is supposed to take place in the early 90's which is weird. I'll reserve judgement until Dunstan and Melton explain it. The only people to comment so far are the studio reps.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Myers on death row is interesting, but I don't want him being unmasked and humanized. That's what I'm worried about. And apparently this is supposed to take place in the early 90's which is weird. I'll reserve judgement until Dunstan and Melton explain it. The only people to comment so far are the studio reps.

Definitely agree with the bolded. The 90's I guess I could work with...time is a flat circle and all that jazz lol.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

1. Halloween (78)

2. Martyrs

3. Inside

4. The Descent

5. The Devils Rejects

6. Saw

7. Hellraiser

8. High Tension

9. Spring

10. Proxy

That list could change from day to day for me minus the top 5. Unfortunately the horror genre is in a bit of a rut at the moment. Most of the mainstream releases have been nothing but crappy jump scare CGI fests (I'm looking at you Paranormal series, The Conjuring, Haunting in Connecticut, Insidious series, etc.) The majority of great horror films over the last decade have come from other countries. The U.S. is just churning out garbage and remaking said horror films because people are too stupid to read subtitles. I'm looking forward to laughing at the inevitably awful remake of Martyrs at the moment.

Martyrs is the very definition of torture porn.

i've got to say, the current crop of horror movies rely heavily on jump scares, which seem cheap. very few movies are capable of building tension. While the Babadook seems like a disappointment at the end, the tension that is built up the entire movie is very real.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

Martyrs is the very definition of torture porn.

i've got to say, the current crop of horror movies rely heavily on jump scares, which seem cheap. very few movies are capable of building tension. While the Babadook seems like a disappointment at the end, the tension that is built up the entire movie is very real.

I enjoyed the hell out of "The Babadook". I know a lot of people walked away disappointed because of how much it had been built up, but I thought it was fantastic. I don't think the majority of people really "got it".

As for "Martyrs", although torture is a big part of the storyline, it actually moves the narrative forward to one of the greatest payoffs I've ever witnessed in film. I hate the term torture porn, but if you want to attach it to something, then movies like "Captivity", "Feed", and "Hostel II" fit the bill. "Martyrs" was a horror masterpiece in my opinion.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

I enjoyed the hell out of "The Babadook". I know a lot of people walked away disappointed because of how much it had been built up, but I thought it was fantastic. I don't think the majority of people really "got it".

As for "Martyrs", although torture is a big part of the storyline, it actually moves the narrative forward to one of the greatest payoffs I've ever witnessed in film. I hate the term torture porn, but if you want to attach it to something, then movies like "Captivity", "Feed", and "Hostel II" fit the bill. "Martyrs" was a horror masterpiece in my opinion.

right. i wasn't disappointed with Martyrs at all.


and while i found the damn kid in babadook annoying, hating him helped me enjoy the movie more haha.


while the Conjuring was a great film, it too was guilty of relying on jump-scares.

[SpastikMooss]

I finally thought of that movie I was talking about last night - it's called The Toolbox Murders. It's certainly no classic of the genre (lol), but there's this whole "victim replaces dead daughter of killer in killer's mind" that I thought was done really well. As a whole, meh movie, but that scene was intense.

Another movie I was thinking of after talking about all of this is The Prowler. Sam Raimi called it one of his best films effects wise, and I'd agree - some of the most well done gore I've ever seen. The movie itself is slow and plodding though with crappy characters, such a shame haha.

[IronMonkey415]

Ah yes the Prowler is a classic 80's horror, I haven't seen Toolbox Murder yet.

[IronMonkey415]

I remember enjoying Slugs (1988)
Slugs: The Movie (1988) - IMDb

[IronMonkey415]

Actually that might not be the one I've watch.
I remember it was a horror movie about killer slug, but not that one.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Actually that might not be the one I've watch.
I remember it was a horror movie about killer slug, but not that one.

There's like a million slug movies haha. I agree that Slugs is not one of the better ones...I kinda liked Slither though.

[Seahawks fan]

Originally Posted by SpastikMooss

There's like a million slug movies haha. I agree that Slugs is not one of the better ones...I kinda liked Slither though.

There are a million movies where the aliens look like slugs and enter bodies and take over them as hosts.. The Hidden was a good one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hidden_(film)

[YanksBillsFan]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

2. Martyrs

3. Inside

I'm looking forward to laughing at the inevitably awful remake of Martyrs at the moment.

The French have gotten it right in recent memory with these two. I will be curious to see how much the remake will have to be toned down and explained for American audiences. High Tension had the first scene ever that made me squeamish (father on the stairs). "Them" and "Frontiers" were pretty good as well. I've yet to see "Livide" and have been looking for a copy of it for awhile.

"I Saw the Devil" has been added to my top 10. Film is amazing and Choi Min-Sik is just as good as always like with "Oldboy".

[IronMonkey415]

Stitches is about a party clown that was accidentally killed at a kids birthday party.
Many years later when the kids are in high school, the clown comes back and kills them one by one.

I remember the various kills are pretty creative in the film.

[IronMonkey415]

NIGHT OF THE CREEP was the slug movie I was thinking of.

[SpastikMooss]

Originally Posted by YanksBillsFan

The French have gotten it right in recent memory with these two. I will be curious to see how much the remake will have to be toned down and explained for American audiences. High Tension had the first scene ever that made me squeamish (father on the stairs). "Them" and "Frontiers" were pretty good as well. I've yet to see "Livide" and have been looking for a copy of it for awhile.

"I Saw the Devil" has been added to my top 10. Film is amazing and Choi Min-Sik is just as good as always like with "Oldboy".

Choi Min-Sik is the freakin' man, agreed.

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

NIGHT OF THE CREEP was the slug movie I was thinking of.

YES I LOVE NIGHT OF THE CREEP! I always get the names for that and Night of the Comet (which I also like) confused.