Hall of Fame changes criteria (again)

[rwperu34]

I wonder what Aaron Judge, Mike Trout, and Shohei Ohtani are going to look like when they are 50?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

I'm surprised Bonds got close to his original physique. Usually when guys dope they look like a typical 65 year old because their hormones are out of whack..

The reported reason why Bonds' body proportions grew so much during his career was because he used HGH. Other juicers didn't use HGH, so they didn't physically change as much.

Also, Bonds was a superior athlete to most players. He inherited great genes from his father and trained diligently. He was a maniacal perfectionist. Even now, he is doing uncanny things due to his great athleticism and obsessive drive:

For more than a decade now, Bonds has been a constant poster of his bike rides, workouts, golf rounds and more outdoor activities on the fitness tracking app. While Bonds has recently been posting more home workouts on the app, the activity he’s focused the most time on is cycling, logging a total of more than 2,100 rides since he picked up the sport in 2010.

Since he began tracking his bike rides on Strava in 2010, Bonds has spent more than 150 days cycling and has covered enough mileage to circle the world twice — and still have more than 3,700 miles extra.

He didn’t pick up the sport of cycling until after he retired from baseball in his mid-40s, and Bonds’ physique has completely changed since the end of his baseball career — but the athletic marvel that he’s always been is evident in many of his ride statistics from around Marin County.

When Bonds was 53, he covered a popular 0.27-mile stretch of road in Mill Valley in just 31 seconds, tying the fastest time recorded out of more than 120,000 attempts by 22,000-plus people. A 58-year-old Bonds posted the sixth-fastest time for a 0.68-mile stretch along Shoreline Highway in Tamalpais Valley, a ride that’s been attempted nearly 400,000 times.

https://www.sfgate.com/giants/articl...s-20173771.php

You don't see this from baseball Hall of Famers. Bonds is truly unique.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

I’m not seeing it, doesn’t look sick to me.[/IMG]

I'm not looking to tear down Jeff Bagwell. I enjoyed watching him as a kid and adolescent. But just look at the photo of him the Hall of Fame uploaded to their website: https://baseballhall.org/sites/defau...de%20pitch.jpg

Now compare it to his early 90s physique -- here are photos from Getty: https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/jeff-bagwell-1991

Here's a good side-by-side comparison:

1991: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...hoto/460922936

1995: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...oto/1073502462

I mean, seriously.

And Bagwell isn't the only Hall of Famer who had significant physique changes during that era.

I say let them all in because we just don't know who did what and it was before testing.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

Just throwing this out there but Bonds got heavy into Cycling in his retirement years. Being big & bulky isn’t congruent with cycling and so I’d expect him to look the part.

Off cycling you mean?

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The reported reason why Bonds' body proportions grew so much during his career was because he used HGH. Other juicers didn't use HGH, so they didn't physically change as much.

Also, Bonds was a superior athlete to most players. He inherited great genes from his father and trained diligently. He was a maniacal perfectionist. Even now, he is doing uncanny things due to his great athleticism and obsessive drive:


https://www.sfgate.com/giants/articl...s-20173771.php

You don't see this from baseball Hall of Famers. Bonds is truly unique.

Your fanboyism is truly fascinating. You don’t see what? John Smoltz is a +2 handicap in golf. That’s more impressive than riding a bicycle.

[BigL7370]

Did you guy compare packages too, to see if there was any shrinkage caused by PEDs?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Your fanboyism is truly fascinating. You don’t see what? John Smoltz is a +2 handicap in golf. That’s more impressive than riding a bicycle.

I was thinking more about Bonds' athleticism and work ethic post career. But now that you mention it, Smoltz was an avid golfer during his career. Bonds took up cycling as a hobby post-career. He ended up with speed records in cycling as a middle-aged man -- that's freaking crazy.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Neither am I. I'm not a fan of any of those people you listed. But this change will screw them over, along with many other worthy candidates. Shame you can't understand that.

Same old pathetic response from you, insulting people because they disagree with you. There is no screwing anyone. Two chances at the HOF Veterans Committee. If you can't get more than 25% once, you are off the ballot. Do you not like playing by the rules?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

If only it were that simple. There are 16 voters on the Contemporary Era Committee. Each voter has only 3 maximum votes, totaling 48 possible votes. 8 candidates are eligible each time. If all or most of the candidates are deserving, it's very unlikely all candidates will receive the requisite 5 votes needed to be considered in the future.

This rule change is clearly intended to reduce the pool of candidates over time. It seems specifically targeted toward Bonds and Clemens, who each received less than 4 votes in their first time being voted on by the Contemporary Era Committee.

Not receiving 5 votes doesn't keep them off the ballot. Receiving less than 25% twice keeps them off the ballot. If a worthy candidate fails to receive 25% of the vote, the next election committee members will have to decide if they should remain on the ballot in the future or not by their voting. It keeps players from clogging the ballot when they have no chance at the HOF, enabling new players to be considered.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

I’m not seeing it, doesn’t look sick to me.



Bonds on the other hand probably lost over 100 pounds.

Come on. You know Bonds just ran over a gypsy.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by rats60

Same old pathetic response from you, insulting people because they disagree with you. There is no screwing anyone. Two chances at the HOF Veterans Committee. If you can't get more than 25% once, you are off the ballot. Do you not like playing by the rules?

Wow, typical pathetic response from you. I didn't insult anyone. I guess reading isn't your strong suit either. Saying it's a shame you can't see something isn't an insult.

Maybe you aren't aware just how many worthy hall of famers took more time than that to get elected. Ironically, my response was directly regarding your claim of a list of players you would like to get consideration. A list of players who this rule will forever prevent from getting enshrined.

And you also can't comprehend how changing the rules to keep out someone you don't like isn't "playing by the rules." It's literally the opposite of it. What a joke.

Allowing your personal bias against Bonds to screw over a bunch of worthy players who might take a few ballots to get the appreciation they deserve is the most pathetic thing of all. You are a sad old man who is controlled by your hatred for Bonds leaving Pittsburgh. It shows in every post you make.

THERE'S your insult.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Wow, typical pathetic response from you. I didn't insult anyone. I guess reading isn't your strong suit either. Saying it's a shame you can't see something isn't an insult, it's a fact.

Maybe you aren't aware just how many worthy hall of famers took more time than that to get elected. Ironically, my response was directly regarding your claim of a list of players you would like to get consideration. A list of players who this rule will forever prevent from getting enshrined.

And you also can't comprehend how changing the rules to keep out someone you don't like isn't "playing by the rules." It's literally the opposite of it. What a joke.

It’s a fact that the standards that apply to the players and others are not equal to the elite : Owners & Executives. Some members feel that being in a selected elite group should prevent them from the accountability that is required of those not selected. I’m sure you would agree that when the top demands more from the bottom then their is inequality.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I say let them all in because we just don't know who did what and it was before testing.

+ 1,000

[marl1220]

The amount of hero worship in this thread is unbelievable.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by marl1220

The amount of hero worship in this thread is unbelievable.

Now that's one take. It's a terrible one, but it's a take.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Now that's one take. It's a terrible one, but it's a take.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Those letters that you see make words. Those words make sentences. Those sentences express thoughts. I know, based on your take, that you struggle to make sense of words, but if you work hard at it, you might catch on some day.

This thread has had nothing to do with hero worship. Go back and ask your mom to help you read it again.

[rfgilles]

How can you tell anything from this pic of Bagwell?

Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

I'm surprised Bonds got close to his original physique. Usually when guys dope they look like a typical 65 year old because their hormones are out of whack.

Yes this isn't the photo I saw of Bagwell. Maybe it was years earlier here he looks a typical man his age who doesn't hit the gym.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

Just throwing this out there but Bonds got heavy into Cycling in his retirement years. Being big & bulky isn’t congruent with cycling and so I’d expect him to look the part.

So he’s hanging out with Lance now?

[Poorboy]

Originally Posted by BigL7370

Did you guy compare packages too, to see if there was any shrinkage caused by PEDs?

that's a paralell insert set waiting to happen!

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

+ 1,000

We don’t need testing to know who the Owners, GM’s, League Presidents, Commissioner and those in the Commissioner's office who were involved in the worst scandal in MLB history. The second worst scandal just might be the harboring of those affiliated in the scandal.

There is nothing stopping the top tier within MLB from gaining entrance except if a owner or executive breaks rank like George Steinbrenner. I would guarantee that the elite have selected certain players within the HOF to the selected “elite” to silence the critics of the actions of Owners & Executives.

Even OhioLawyer can tell you how that a group that doesn’t have equal accountability is a threat to integrity. It’s like having ESPN pay for the rights of the SEC and then have any type of rule violation become a liability to their ratings. ESPN isn’t going to allow that to occur within the NCAA headquarters the same way the HOF isn’t going to allow any owners or executives be judged on their character to the game.

[abaseballjunkie]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Off cycling you mean?

OMG you are SO funny

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by Stifle

We don’t need testing to know who the Owners, GM’s, League Presidents, Commissioner and those in the Commissioner's office who were involved in the worst scandal in MLB history. The second worst scandal just might be the harboring of those affiliated in the scandal.

There is nothing stopping the top tier within MLB from gaining entrance except if a owner or executive breaks rank like George Steinbrenner. I would guarantee that the elite have selected certain players within the HOF to the selected “elite” to silence the critics of the actions of Owners & Executives.

Even OhioLawyer can tell you how that a group that doesn’t have equal accountability is a threat to integrity. It’s like having ESPN pay for the rights of the SEC and then have any type of rule violation become a liability to their ratings. ESPN isn’t going to allow that to occur within the NCAA headquarters the same way the HOF isn’t going to allow any owners or executives be judged on their character to the game.

I’ve seen you post about this conspiracy a lot, and I know you believe it all happened. Can we see your unambiguous proof of it?

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Those letters that you see make words. Those words make sentences. Those sentences express thoughts. I know, based on your take, that you struggle to make sense of words, but if you work hard at it, you might catch on some day.

This thread has had nothing to do with hero worship. Go back and ask your mom to help you read it again.

Ooooo. Your wit and sophomoric insults say way more than your user ID ever could. Or, should I say, they pretty much align. When people knowingly push for proven liars, cheats, or crooks to be rewarded in any way, including sports, I call that hero worship. Or maybe they support that behavior and really see nothing wrong with it. Either way, it's a very telling trait.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Keep in mind though, that had this rule been in place, it would have also eliminated future Hall of Fame players such as Dick Allen, Dave Parker, and Minnie Minoso.

I don’t think too many Boardies would have cried over these 3 not making the cut ( just saying …. )