GameStop x PSA

[tnvolfan16]

Originally Posted by tyrith

Easier said than done to chill when your kid is extremely upset. Especially since the kid is probably closer to 7-9 than 14-16.

then dont tell him until you figure out what is going on for sure. by the way most "kids" act that i see at shows anymore, they are more mad that a card got a PSA9 than excited they pulled the card in the first place.

[salsdali]

let's not gloss over that some gamestop employees are known to be shady as hell.

It's a minimum wage job. In this economy if you don't think a couple of grand is not enough to entice a kid employee to steal is ridiculous.

[tnvolfan16]

Originally Posted by salsdali

let's not gloss over that some gamestop employees are known to be shady as hell.

It's a minimum wage job. In this economy if you don't think a couple of grand is not enough to entice a kid employee to steal is ridiculous.

Remove "gamestop emplyees" and replace it with "cardshop employees" and the degree of shadiness probably rises quite a bit

[tnvolfan16]

My gamestop experience had been fine so far. Got my grades in 17 business days

[halldogg]

Originally Posted by tyrith

Easier said than done to chill when your kid is extremely upset. Especially since the kid is probably closer to 7-9 than 14-16.

It isn't easier said than done. Explain to your kid that there is a process, and that you will go through the process and if it doesn't work out in your favor, you will have your money because it is insured.

[halldogg]

Originally Posted by salsdali

let's not gloss over that some gamestop employees are known to be shady as hell.

It's a minimum wage job. In this economy if you don't think a couple of grand is not enough to entice a kid employee to steal is ridiculous.

And it is insured until it reaches your hand. Give me my couple of grand and lets submit some more. You guys sound like you lose everything when submitting through them if something happens. Don't use them if you are afraid of this issue that you speak of.

[halldogg]

Npw onto real topics here... Undergraded? Yay or Nay? Lets keep surface out of it, because I don't have the card in my possession yet from Gamestop. Lets go from what you can see....

https://www.psacard.com/cert/102070407

[brev87]

Originally Posted by halldogg

Npw onto real topics here... Undergraded? Yay or Nay? Lets keep surface out of it, because I don't have the card in my possession yet from Gamestop. Lets go from what you can see....

https://www.psacard.com/cert/102070407

There is a red line on the top left corner, and middle back there are some imperfections.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by halldogg

Npw onto real topics here... Undergraded? Yay or Nay? Lets keep surface out of it, because I don't have the card in my possession yet from Gamestop. Lets go from what you can see....

https://www.psacard.com/cert/102070407

Can't keep the surface out of it because that is most likely the issue. I have a lot of 4/5/6 vintage that looks just like that Taylor, but until you get the card in hand you can't see the issues.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by brev87

There is a red line on the top left corner, and middle back there are some imperfections.

That red line is a very common print defect and I have seen it on numerous PSA 9 and even 10's. Many common defects on cards are ignored by grading companies. The 1983 Fleer Gwynn has a print defect on his nose for every card and graders should know that. The 1992 Shaq Topps Gold has a big print defect on the left hand border that looks horrible on half the copies and I have seen it on 10's.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Can't keep the surface out of it because that is most likely the issue. I have a lot of 4/5/6 vintage that looks just like that Taylor, but until you get the card in hand you can't see the issues.

This, card graded a 6. Probably some indent or small surface wrinkle or something on the surface. If you look and find nothing, than it is a candidate to Please Submit Again. I would really look at under a light.

[brev87]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

That red line is a very common print defect and I have seen it on numerous PSA 9 and even 10's. Many common defects on cards are ignored by grading companies. The 1983 Fleer Gwynn has a print defect on his nose for every card and graders should know that. The 1992 Shaq Topps Gold has a big print defect on the left hand border that looks horrible on half the copies and I have seen it on 10's.

I personally haven't seen that on 9s or 10s, but I have seen it on 7s and 6s.

[beavers]

Originally Posted by tnvolfan16

then dont tell him until you figure out what is going on for sure. by the way most "kids" act that i see at shows anymore, they are more mad that a card got a PSA9 than excited they pulled the card in the first place.

My son is 5. He had never had a card graded before. We were watching YouTube and a video came up about GameStop grading and he asked if we could grade his best card. So on Black Friday when mom and sister went shopping we headed to GameStop. You sound like you don’t have kids so let me tell you that is a fun experience and memory moment for a father and son. The grade is beside the point. Obviously we wanted a 10, but what we really wanted was a good experience. I had literally told him to not expect a 10. He has been super excited for it to come back. The sports cards that I submitted that day came back a few weeks ago and he has been wondering about his. Yes, they and I both have photos and in a worst case we will get claim value. And you know what? THAT SUCKS!

We get it. You’ve had good experiences. Congratulations. That doesn’t mean you get to negate my bad experience. And I imagine if your experiences were like mine you wouldn’t be on here playing white knight for GameStop.

Still no resolution.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by brev87

I personally haven't seen that on 9s or 10s, but I have seen it on 7s and 6s.

Just go to eBay and you will see a bunch of 9's with it and the only PSA 10 on eBay has that red mark.

[brev87]

I dropped off 5 sports cards
Dropped off - 12/1
Psa received - 12/27
Grades were ready - 1/8
Ready for Pickup - 1/13

[aggie4ever]

Originally Posted by beavers

My son is 5. He had never had a card graded before. We were watching YouTube and a video came up about GameStop grading and he asked if we could grade his best card. So on Black Friday when mom and sister went shopping we headed to GameStop. You sound like you don’t have kids so let me tell you that is a fun experience and memory moment for a father and son. The grade is beside the point. Obviously we wanted a 10, but what we really wanted was a good experience. I had literally told him to not expect a 10. He has been super excited for it to come back. The sports cards that I submitted that day came back a few weeks ago and he has been wondering about his. Yes, they and I both have photos and in a worst case we will get claim value. And you know what? THAT SUCKS!

We get it. You’ve had good experiences. Congratulations. That doesn’t mean you get to negate my bad experience. And I imagine if your experiences were like mine you wouldn’t be on here playing white knight for GameStop.

Still no resolution.

I personally appreciate you posting about your experience, it's good to hear both the good and bad of this program. And I've learned several things because you posted, and others responded. For example, I'm glad to know Gamestop takes pictures of each submittal, that was one of my worries, my card getting switched out for something else. Now I'm actually thinking about bringing in a couple of cards.

I wish you the best, and hope they find your son's card!

[halldogg]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Can't keep the surface out of it because that is most likely the issue. I have a lot of 4/5/6 vintage that looks just like that Taylor, but until you get the card in hand you can't see the issues.

Well, you can keep the surface out of the discussion, because I wasn't asking about the surface because the card isn't back in my hands yet. I know it is a qualifier, but I can't ask everyone what they think about what they see and expect them to know what the surface looks like.

[halldogg]

Originally Posted by beavers

My son is 5. He had never had a card graded before. We were watching YouTube and a video came up about GameStop grading and he asked if we could grade his best card. So on Black Friday when mom and sister went shopping we headed to GameStop. You sound like you don’t have kids so let me tell you that is a fun experience and memory moment for a father and son. The grade is beside the point. Obviously we wanted a 10, but what we really wanted was a good experience. I had literally told him to not expect a 10. He has been super excited for it to come back. The sports cards that I submitted that day came back a few weeks ago and he has been wondering about his. Yes, they and I both have photos and in a worst case we will get claim value. And you know what? THAT SUCKS!

We get it. You’ve had good experiences. Congratulations. That doesn’t mean you get to negate my bad experience. And I imagine if your experiences were like mine you wouldn’t be on here playing white knight for GameStop.

Still no resolution.

Who have you talked to in Gamestop so far?

[halldogg]

Originally Posted by aggie4ever

I personally appreciate you posting about your experience, it's good to hear both the good and bad of this program. And I've learned several things because you posted, and others responded. For example, I'm glad to know Gamestop takes pictures of each submittal, that was one of my worries, my card getting switched out for something else. Now I'm actually thinking about bringing in a couple of cards.

I wish you the best, and hope they find your son's card!

The Lawrence Taylor will be my 4th card received back out of 4 sent. It has been a great and easy process for me and others, though things can happen as we see. I would still recommend.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by halldogg

Well, you can keep the surface out of the discussion, because I wasn't asking about the surface because the card isn't back in my hands yet. I know it is a qualifier, but I can't ask everyone what they think about what they see and expect them to know what the surface looks like.

What was the point of your post though saying the card was "undergraded?" Here is a card I graded with SGC and I waited to get the card in hand until I made a judgement. It was 100% graded correctly with a surface issue you can't see from the image. It even took me 30 seconds to a minute to find it, but once I saw it I felt like an idiot for submitting the card. There is no way to tell where the surface issue is from the 2D image. When I sold the card I was very clear about the damage, didn't want to sell the card to someone thinking that it was undergraded.

This is the big issue with PSA and all grading companies. We pay them $20 to grade a card, for something they spend about $3 in employees wages and 30 cents in plastic. The major flaw of each card must be with the cert # on their website. It is inexcusable that we don't get that information. Especially with the amount of cards sold online and through vaulting services. The lack of accountability must change, but the hobby doesn't care at all, so it won't.

[halldogg]

I agree, but when it left my house, there was no surface damage. I plan on really looking at it hard when it gets here. I agree, all cards should have the grades for each thing they look at online at a minimum. It's actually BS that BGS got to the point of charging for that item when at first it was something given as part of the process which added great transparency. There are a lot of cards that hit PSA and leave with underwhelming grades compared to how they actually look.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by halldogg

I agree, but when it left my house, there was no surface damage. I plan on really looking at it hard when it gets here. I agree, all cards should have the grades for each thing they look at online at a minimum. It's actually BS that BGS got to the point of charging for that item when at first it was something given as part of the process which added great transparency. There are a lot of cards that hit PSA and leave with underwhelming grades compared to how they actually look.

The value put on technical grading is absolutely insanity, but it is where the hobby is right now. There are also inexperienced graders for vintage that make mistakes. I handle a lot of raw vintage and there are issues with almost all of the card stock when you inspect cards. What is a natural bump or valley on the card stock, could be interpreted as an indent or serious surface issue by a new grader.

I am taking a little bit of a break from grading unless I receive a card that is truly special that I want a nice frame for. I am going to be selling most of my graded collection this year and move into more expensive lower grade vintage that presents well. I would much rather have a T206 HOF in a PSA/SGC 3 that is $1000 and still worth $1000 if I crack it out of the slab than having my PSA 10 1988 Fleer Rodman that is worth $1700 in the slab and then worth $40 raw after I crack it out.

[glassofwater]

My cards are ready to pick up. it took a little over a month. Dropped of on the 13th of December, pick up today on the 18th. Super quick.

[halldogg]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

My cards are ready to pick up. it took a little over a month. Dropped of on the 13th of December, pick up today on the 18th. Super quick.

I have one I dropped off on 14 December, still says Graded. Just awaiting to be able to pick up.

[peterose4hof]

PSA raised prices. Is the GameStop price going up as well or staying the same?