Insane theft at the Dallas Card Show

[LIONS RULE!]

Originally Posted by Earlsnake07

The owner of the cards is offering a $70,000 reward for the "return of the missing box".

Good luck with offering $70,000 for 1 to 2 million in goods. The cards are more than likely already moved or deep underground. If there is 4 perps, I would offer $25,000 per head for each of them. Scum bags like these guys talk and I am betting one of them has said something about the heist to somebody. With all the Youtubers & Bloggers at the show, somebody has their faces on camera. Get those faces to the right people & they will be found pretty quickly. Turn the screws on them and maybe the Dealer will get some of the cards back.

[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

In 2021, Texas passed a “constitutional carry” bill. This bill changed the law to eliminate the need for a License to Carry (LTC) for some people. Now, if you can legally possess and carry a firearm, you no longer need an LTC to carry a handgun in a public place.

In liberal states like California, its much easier for business people that deal in jewelry and I would imagine items like cards to attain a CCW. It really depends on the County but some are much more lenient than others.

I live in a state where guns have basically become fashion accessories. They don't do you any good if someone wants to rob you and knows, or just suspects that you might have a gun. You will end up with a gun pointed in your face while yours is still on your hip.

[DragonWagon]

All the stolen cards have been added to the Stolen Card Database.


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[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

I live in a state where guns have basically become fashion accessories. They don't do you any good if someone wants to rob you and knows, or just suspects that you might have a gun. You will end up with a gun pointed in your face while yours is still on your hip.

Depends on your training and many other factors and agreed that it could happen but each experience is different. A lot of crime is based on opportunity. If a criminal is determined to roll the dice, so be it. As for fashion accessories, if you're wearing it for others to see its either preventative or indeed showing off for others to see, which is definitely not a conceal carry.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Legally though how would that stand up in court if you were to pull out said gun and shoot and/or kill someone trying to steal a bunch of cardboard ? Are you in fear of your life or being a vigilante ? There is a reason a lot of establishments have a strict policy about stopping shoplifters now days. The risk and liability is just more than they want to deal with.

For the record I'm not for or against LTC or CCP just curious

I would counter simply with ensure that somewhere on your visit, you enter the private property through the unsigned entrance, refer to YOUR state law in the legal use of deadly force beforehand and utilize your right to remain silent while requesting a lawyer after the fact.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Hobby is filled with so much garbage.

So awful .. these d bags will get caught.

But WTF are you leaving those cards unattended

People actually participating in any hobby aren’t interested in making a profit or stealing in this manner so there really isn’t garbage in any hobby or hobby marketplace

However you’re definitely right in that the “card marketplace” is mostly full of garbage.

It’s entertaining to see how many people in this thread seem upset/concerned about this particular thievery when they purposefully ignore the thievery of tens/hundreds of millions of dollars resulting from the sale of graded altered cards regularly sold on the card marketplace. So outrage quickly disappears when it affects bottom lines…

[majestik101]

If I didn't live in a world where smash and grabs take place on every street corner every single day, I'd be more open minded, but my immediate thought is that this is an inside job.

First, how does someone not notice, especially with all those high dollar cards and inventory lying around, that the same dude is in the same area "stacking" chairs. How does that happen? Especially when you look around and he is the only one stacking chairs? No team of others stacking chairs, just him.

Plus, I could see 1, maybe 2 of the employees being distracted, but all 3 of them, all at the same time?

Something stinks in Denmark

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by Earlsnake07

The owner of the cards is offering a $70,000 reward for the "return of the missing box".

You could have paid two people to watch your cards for 2080 hours per year for that.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by Earlsnake07

The owner of the cards is offering a $70,000 reward for the "return of the missing box".

Originally Posted by LIONS RULE!

Good luck with offering $70,000 for 1 to 2 million in goods. The cards are more than likely already moved or deep underground. If there is 4 perps, I would offer $25,000 per head for each of them. Scum bags like these guys talk and I am betting one of them has said something about the heist to somebody. With all the Youtubers & Bloggers at the show, somebody has their faces on camera. Get those faces to the right people & they will be found pretty quickly. Turn the screws on them and maybe the Dealer will get some of the cards back.

He's offering $70,000 for information leading to the recovery of the cards.

[gameissued]

What an aweful feeling.. hope they get caught soon!

Anyway.. you still have to guard your cards closely but here's a hack that might be helpful. I print 4x6 photos of all of my high end cards at Walgreens (try to make them true to size) put them in my showcase worry free. Costs like 10 cents each. I only pull out the real card if someone is seriously interested and we're close in price. Also keeps the autos from light exposure / fading.

I leave pics in my case overnight and don't even need to set up the next day. I get messages from people walking by after hours, make deals, and they swing by the next day to pick up. Trade night.. just show pics and no need to have any cards out! You're welcome.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by gameissued

What an aweful feeling.. hope they get caught soon!

Anyway.. you still have to guard your cards closely but here's a hack that might be helpful. I print 4x6 photos of all of my high end cards at Walgreens (try to make them true to size) put them in my showcase worry free. Costs like 10 cents each. I only pull out the real card if someone is seriously interested and we're close in price. Also keeps the autos from light exposure / fading.

I leave pics in my case overnight and don't even need to set up the next day. I get messages from people walking by after hours, make deals, and they swing by the next day to pick up. Trade night.. just show pics and no need to have any cards out! You're welcome.

I like this. Very smart.

[BdotHobbs]

I hope the police take this seriously and don’t just sweep it under the rug because it’s baseball cards. It’s hard for me not to do any victim blaming here but I really hope dude gets all his cards back

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

People actually participating in any hobby aren’t interested in making a profit or stealing in this manner so there really isn’t garbage in any hobby or hobby marketplace

However you’re definitely right in that the “card marketplace” is mostly full of garbage.

It’s entertaining to see how many people in this thread seem upset/concerned about this particular thievery when they purposefully ignore the thievery of tens/hundreds of millions of dollars resulting from the sale of graded altered cards regularly sold on the card marketplace. So outrage quickly disappears when it affects bottom lines…

If everyone agrees to use “card marketplace” instead of “hobby” in common parlance, will you go away?

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

I live in a state where guns have basically become fashion accessories. They don't do you any good if someone wants to rob you and knows, or just suspects that you might have a gun. You will end up with a gun pointed in your face while yours is still on your hip.

Depends on who the person is. There’s been numerous stories on the news of criminals pulling a gun on the right person and paying for it with their life.

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

However you’re definitely right in that the “card marketplace” is mostly full of garbage.

Stay on topic guys, there's already enough threads on Panini.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Depends on who the person is. There’s been numerous stories on the news of criminals pulling a gun on the right person and paying for it with their life.

99% of gun owners I feel like think they look like that and would be able to do that, but in reality look like cheddar Bob in 8 mile

[rudan007]

Ive been to the Dallas Card Show a couple of times and I've noticed the lack of security. Main issue is lack of one main entrance. The show is in 4 different rooms. The particular room in which the crime took place has a back entrance dealers use to load/unload this is easily accessible by the public.

It's a big show, should be held at a larger, more secure venue(although not sure where in Dallas that could take place). The Hotel is nice, but having dealers in 4 different rooms and also the halls to leading to the lobby does not make logistical sense.

[CanadianKid]

This is terrible, on a side note turning your back on $2M in a small case is also nuts. I dont leave a $5 bill in my car in plain view.

[SpartanWarrior]

In regards to the comments about never leaving inventory out of your sight or physical possession, try setting up at a few shows.

Ash has his two guys which actually makes the loading/unloading much safer. At many shows your parking your car outside a hotel entrance and have to wheel your stuff a decent distance. He can have eyes on the car and booth while the cards exit/enter.

It takes a lot of discipline to lock display cases each time you close them. Discipline to tear down/set up the exact same thing way and keep everything right in front of you. In this case having his sons there likely lowered his guard and he allowed himself to become distracted for a sustained period of time.

The criticism of the dealer is misplaced. He knows he got distracted. That is not a crime. Stealing another man’s property, THAT is a crime.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by SpartanWarrior

In regards to the comments about never leaving inventory out of your sight or physical possession, try setting up at a few shows.

Ash has his two guys which actually makes the loading/unloading much safer. At many shows your parking your car outside a hotel entrance and have to wheel your stuff a decent distance. He can have eyes on the car and booth while the cards exit/enter.

It takes a lot of discipline to lock display cases each time you close them. Discipline to tear down/set up the exact same thing way and keep everything right in front of you. In this case having his sons there likely lowered his guard and he allowed himself to become distracted for a sustained period of time.

The criticism of the dealer is misplaced. He knows he got distracted. That is not a crime. Stealing another man’s property, THAT is a crime.

Do you think it’s too difficult to secure your cards at these shows? This wasn’t a sophisticated crime.

Unfortunately, I think the value of these cards has greatly outpaced most dealers’ ability to properly secure them at a show. These larger shows are loud, crowded, and designed to optimize table space rather than table security. A show like Dallas probably has $25M+ in inventory laying out at any given time. It is the perfect target considering how casual dealers are about their tables.

[corndog]

Cameras will be the thieves downfall.
They are everywhere.

Tracing backwards and reviewing hundreds of cameras takes time.

[dantheman514]

Originally Posted by corndog

Cameras will be the thieves downfall.
They are everywhere.

Tracing backwards and reviewing hundreds of cameras takes time.

I feel as though every dealer should have their own cameras pointing toward the table and customers. They are very inexpensive now, and they will definitely deter crimes like this.

[hammerva]

A lot of people on here trying to swing their Johnson trying to prove their manhood to other men. I mean are we seriously talking about carrying loaded weapons to a card show.

And for the people acting this was a bunch of dumb guys who easily got away with, you didn't watch the video because you had at least 2 people doing distractions to get the one person to sneak with the case. Yeah they probably should have more people at the table although again this wasn't during peak time it was either before the show and after the show. Besides if they had 4 people, are we really going to believe that these people would have just given up. No they would have found another person to be part of the distraction

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by hammerva

A lot of people on here trying to swing their Johnson trying to prove their manhood to other men. I mean are we seriously talking about carrying loaded weapons to a card show.

And for the people acting this was a bunch of dumb guys who easily got away with, you didn't watch the video because you had at least 2 people doing distractions to get the one person to sneak with the case. Yeah they probably should have more people at the table although again this wasn't during peak time it was either before the show and after the show. Besides if they had 4 people, are we really going to believe that these people would have just given up. No they would have found another person to be part of the distraction

God help the dealers if all it takes is (n + 1) criminals to pull off this heist.

[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Depends on who the person is. There’s been numerous stories on the news of criminals pulling a gun on the right person and paying for it with their life.

I'm sure it happens. And I'd guess that sometimes the off duty cop ends up getting killed by a surfer that hates violence. I have no idea which outcome is more likely though.

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