Can someone explain to me why the Disney Topps chrome cards are selling for a crazy A

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by sketchopolix

Confirmed $12,600 sealed case sale.

Tim -1, naysayers -0

I think people were saying it's largely just speculators driving up the prices, rather than true disney collectors or even card collectors, and I think that's probably still the case. I would be hard pressed to imagine a disney collector is dropping 12k+ on a case of cards. Or people collecting little mermaid or simba cards.

Boxes are also a different beast than singles. Often in situations like this they are used almost as pawns in a game of escalating prices/investing/flipping.

Prices seem to be upwards of $1k a box now, but we'll be interested to see the longer run what happens to singles prices and box prices after the hype crew moves on like they did with PMG or Sapphire sets. There seems to be very little chatter around this set in general right now.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I think people were saying it's largely just speculators driving up the prices, rather than true disney collectors or even card collectors, and I think that's probably still the case. I would be hard pressed to imagine a disney collector is dropping 12k+ on a case of cards. Or people collecting little mermaid or simba cards.

Boxes are also a different beast than singles. Often in situations like this they are used almost as pawns in a game of escalating prices/investing/flipping.

Prices seem to be upwards of $1k a box now, but we'll be interested to see the longer run what happens to singles prices and box prices after the hype crew moves on like they did with PMG or Sapphire sets. There seems to be very little chatter around this set in general right now.

Really feel compelled to preface my comments with a shout out to you on all your marvel posts... you are one of my most respected posters on bo.

With that said, you couldn't be more wrong lol. It's Disney collectors who are buying the singles as well as boxes.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Tim

Really feel compelled to preface my comments with a shout out to you on all your marvel posts... you are one of my most respected posters on bo.

With that said, you couldn't be more wrong lol. It's Disney collectors who are buying the singles as well as boxes.

That's fine we can agree to disagree.

I have no connection or stake in the set really, I just am not convinced disney collectors are dropping $12k+ on cases of this, and theres no evidence being presented either way. Traditional disney collectors are barely aware of cards. Ive seen this game far too much now, like with Marvel pmgs.

[sketchopolix]

You state you have no stake which I presume to mean no actual information about sales. Tim is a person who has sold 50k plus on eBay so we can presume he has data, and yet you are still willing to hold a contrary position (I know nothing, you probably know something, still I think you are wrong).

A perfect encapsulation of why communication is fractured in the internet age, and why people don't trust science. You say you respect data, but that's not what you are doing here.

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by sketchopolix

You state you have no stake which I presume to mean no actual information about sales. Tim is a person who has sold 50k plus on eBay so we can presume he has data, and yet you are still willing to hold a contrary position (I know nothing, you probably know something, still I think you are wrong).

A perfect encapsulation of why communication is fractured in the internet age, and why people don't trust science. You say you respect data, but that's not what you are doing here.

None of you can prove you know anything because none of you has data to back up your assertions. We can presume Tim has data.

This perfect encapsulation is the internet in a microcosm. All of us spouting off, yet no one has receipts they're willing to show. Data commands respect, spouting off with lack of data is well, today's internet.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by sketchopolix

You state you have no stake which I presume to mean no actual information about sales. Tim is a person who has sold 50k plus on eBay so we can presume he has data, and yet you are still willing to hold a contrary position (I know nothing, you probably know something, still I think you are wrong).

A perfect encapsulation of why communication is fractured in the internet age, and why people don't trust science. You say you respect data, but that's not what you are doing here.

It's also just maybe possible some people will argue for hype and how it's all genuine collectors buying up a product because they are selling/holding the product.

This product has been out for what, 3 months or so? Id have to go back and check. Instead of getting into a silly debate about what the type of individual buying up this product is (I have a pretty good guess, but Im not claiming anything with certainty), I'd rather just let it play out and check back in a lot later than 3 months out. What were SW sapphire singles/box prices 3 months out, and what are they now? The balance of true collectors vs speculators/people pumping up prices should influence whether prices sustain in the much longer term future, and we shall see.

I do respect (actual) science, and data btw. If you somehow have magic-ball data into the mind/intentions of all the people buying up this product, Im all ears (not mere price data, that's not the issue).

[dd316]

Originally Posted by Tim

It's Disney collectors who are buying the singles as well as boxes.

Can you define "Disney collectors"? Are you saying Disney card collectors, or Disney collectors in general? I follow one of the largest Disney communities on the internet and there is NO talk at all about any of this stuff.

When I say Disney collectors, these are the people I mean. They collect pins, plush, Mickey ears, clothing, accessories, art, prints... just about everything Disney-branded... but trading cards are almost never in the conversation.

[PurplesaurusRex]

For most Disney fans it's all about the Park experience and what you can buy there. If these were exclusive to their parks I think maybe you'd have a case. But for $5K a family of 4 could get an all inclusive 3 day package to Disney world. No way they're going to spend $12K on these cards.

If you really want to target the Disney crowds, start flipping those pins everyone is crazy about. There's an entire community dedicated to that.

[fabiani12333]

Who's buying Disney superfractor cards of Mickey and Goofy for several thousands of dollars? I want names.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Who's buying Disney superfractor cards of Mickey and Goofy for several thousands of dollars? I want names.

“Your Honor… I didn't say the collector was a little strange, I said they were #%!# Goofy".

[mrmike79]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

“Your Honor… I didn't say the collector was a little strange, I said they were #%!# Goofy".

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a shift starting at "Chippendales"

[Stifle]

Disney is coming out with a product that the consumers are willing to purchase? Does this mean they are keeping ESPN ?

[hermanotarjeta]

A collector is someone who purchases an item without the intent to make money from the purchase.

Investors are buying the sealed cases.

[sketchopolix]

So a collector never buys multiples of a product hoping to hit something for their collection, but willing to sell off the other hits?

"Data" presented in multiple threads suggests otherwise, as many people here say they will open "some" product hoping to find something for themselves, but oh yes, I have a COMC account and an eBay account.

Here is a direct quote from the 12,600 case buyer:

"Yes I am a breaker, but I also collect this product so it goes both ways haha! Love it man."

Apparently people can have multiple identities.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by sketchopolix

So a collector never buys multiples of a product hoping to hit something for their collection, but willing to sell off the other hits?

"Data" presented in multiple threads suggests otherwise, as many people here say they will open "some" product hoping to find something for themselves, but oh yes, I have a COMC account and an eBay account.

Here is a direct quote from the 12,600 case buyer:

"Yes I am a breaker, but I also collect this product so it goes both ways haha! Love it man."

Apparently people can have multiple identities.

Breaker/investor bois masquerading as collectors to push their narrative - we need more people like this in the hobby.

[Dukefett]

I just want a base set, I was hoping the sales would cool off lol

[Tim]

Originally Posted by dd316

Can you define "Disney collectors"? Are you saying Disney card collectors, or Disney collectors in general? I follow one of the largest Disney communities on the internet and there is NO talk at all about any of this stuff.

When I say Disney collectors, these are the people I mean. They collect pins, plush, Mickey ears, clothing, accessories, art, prints... just about everything Disney-branded... but trading cards are almost never in the conversation.

I'm talking about trading card collectors in general who are starved for a quality product with branding. The people buying the cards and boxes are not flippers.

I have not sold a case but only just listed one a few days ago. I opened a lot of this because it was so fun and the cards were gorgeous.

So I'm a trading card dealer who collects certain items but who loves Disney,... there are a lot of us out there.

[Ianhatcher]

Go out to IG and search for Disney 100 Topps Chrome and see who is posting the rare cards and who is responding with fire emojis. It's sure isn't a bunch of people wearing Mickey Mouse ears and a good portion of them seem to have the word "Breaks" in their name and tons of sports cards in their IG pics. Lots of soccer cards as that's kind of expected with a Europe release.

Like Disney Kakawow imo it's mainly sports card guys pushing this, selling to one another and someone will get stuck holding the bag but I think it does better then Kakawow long term since it's Topps Chrome.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Go out to IG and search for Disney 100 Topps Chrome and see who is posting the rare cards and who is responding with fire emojis. It's sure isn't a bunch of people wearing Mickey Mouse ears and a good portion of them seem to have the word "Breaks" in their name and tons of sports cards in their IG pics. Lots of soccer cards as that's kind of expected with a Europe release.

Like Disney Kakawow imo it's mainly sports card guys pushing this, selling to one another and someone will get stuck holding the bag but I think it does better then Kakawow long term since it's Topps Chrome.

Fits basically what I was expecting, the sports/soccer group getting heavily involved in the buying/selling of these. It's largely about $ aspect, from the holding/flipping boxes and the gambling from breaks (a set like this could essentially be used as a pawn for the overall purpose of gambling). Whether the longer term value sustains will greatly depend on how many true collectors there are of disney cards like this. Im skeptical because of how much of it is from sports, but we will see.

[Tim]

You guys on the sidelines seem to know best.

Meanwhile, I got an 11k offer on my case from someone called disneyprincess

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Tim

You guys on the sidelines seem to know best.

Meanwhile, I got an 11k offer on my case from someone called disneyprincess

I mean it's not hard to see that a bulk of the action on this set is from sports, as stated all over IG, seller's other items on ebay, and the breaking crowds. You dont need to be directly buying/selling the product to see that. Can there be a Disney-oriented buyer (maybe a whale in the Disney collecting community or something) offer on a case? Yes, and thats one data point. Sitting on a case though I can see how the objective would to be argue for complete true-organic value for such a product, and that prices will just keep going up and up. I'd rather just wait for the longer term (not 3 months out) and see how much prices sustain.

Like IanHatcher, I wonder about people holding bags (particularly with singles) since I've seen it played out so much recently when sports gets involved in nonsports, especially since the pandemic.

[sketchopolix]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

II'd rather just wait for the longer term (not 3 months out) and see how much prices sustain.

Pick a time frame. Shall we return to this topic in 6 mos? 12?

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by sketchopolix

Pick a time frame. Shall we return to this topic in 6 mos? 12?

Not 6 months....too early. At least a year out. Something like 2 years would probably be better for longer term trends, but can start with a year- let's check next April. Im more than willing to eat crow. I notice the couple posters in here arguing for higher prices/true collecting/prices sustaining do have a personal interest at stake in that they are selling it. If anything someone "from the sidelines", so to speak, can be more freely objective.

It'll be interesting also to see what happens if/when a sequel Topps Disney Chrome set comes out, that could complicate things a bit too. I could see it going either way in how that affects prices/interest in the first set.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Tim

You guys on the sidelines seem to know best.

Meanwhile, I got an 11k offer on my case from someone called disneyprincess

A 40 year old man hiding behind a username Disneyprincess?

That’s pretty sad.

[Ianhatcher]

Just wait till Disney 100 Kakawow Cosmos All Stars comes out next week. Pump, pump, pump.