Any Kareem Abdul-Jabbar line horror stories?

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Grid

He is worth 10s of millions of dollars. He sold his Hawaii mansion for $6MIL, since he didnt travel to it much. He was charging people a minimum of $250 for his signature at this show alone. If he is mad about not making enough money back then, he is making plenty of money since he retired.

KAJ is NOT hurting for money. Its just a bad, greedy look, to his fans that paid for his signature.

This is the same guy that agreed to let Julien's Auctions sell some of his stuff for him, in exchange for a $900,000 donation to his charity. They paid the charity, and he backed out of giving them anything to sell. They had to sue him, which they won in a blink.

Hope when they sued him the got the 900K plus a lot more in damages back. I think way to many famous people think because of their name they can get away with stuff the common Joe and Jane Smith can't.

[cholodolo]

How did anyone at the National allow that woman to be involved? This hobby is populated by the lowest of the low, and unfortunately many of them are in charge.

Julien’s Auctions has also pursued a separate action against Abdul-Jabbar’s manager Deborah Morales, for numerous fraudulent misrepresentations. The Court found that Morales engaged in numerous acts of fraud against Julien’s Auctions, for which Julien’s Auctions must be compensated including monies presented to be used specifically in support for the Skyhook Foundation charity, which had been found to have never been used for such charitable work.

https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...m-abdul-jabbar

[JarJarAjar]

There’s a great segment on Deborah Morales from the Opie and Anthony show. At one point she was banned from the SiriusXM studios. Begins about 26 minutes in.

[jmarascojr]

Have a feeling that if TriStar doesn't wanna play by Ms. Deborah's rules moving forward, probably not gonna have many autograph opportunities with KAJ.

Bummer.... (Not so much)

[ToastGhost47]

Originally Posted by Grid

He is paid to sign my item, not share in any potential profits. It makes zero difference to him, if he is signing a blank piece of paper or a gem mint RC. Either take 5 seconds of his time.

This x 1000. Not only does their method not make sense, it slows things down. Just charge a higher flat rate and move faster if you're worried about people reselling for more.

[Bunny Hop]

This is one of my favorite threads b/c Deborah is such a cartoonish character who brings everyone together.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

CardPorn posted this video on IG a couple of days ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDzdR2uYxG4

I can appreciate the interaction, it's better than none, but as i was watching the video, I kept going "lady, just let them get the autograph and let them go, wtf"....

Imagine if she was doing that with everybody, no wonder he needed a nap...

At least KAJ took the time to sign a nice, clean auto.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

That's pretty sick.

Kudos to whoever had the foresight to have him sign his RC bc signing RCs was like a cardinal sin up until recently.

Personally, i still feel this way and probably always will.

[ReggieBush22]

Living in Los Angeles most of my life i can tell you that KAJ only did a public appearance (TV, radio, etc) if he had something to sell. Never just for the hell of it.

And those saying he has a ton of $$, i seriously doubt it. Does he have some mils? Of course. But does he have fu*k you $$? Absolutely not. The guy has always been looking to make $$ by selling books, dping appearances, etc. Never really succeeded at any business venture because he probably sucks at engaging people. Dude always came across as a jerk to me and his BS social justice crap makes him look even worse.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Living in Los Angeles most of my life i can tell you that KAJ only did a public appearance (TV, radio, etc) if he had something to sell. Never just for the hell of it.

And those saying he has a ton of $$, i seriously doubt it. Does he have some mils? Of course. But does he have fu*k you $$? Absolutely not. The guy has always been looking to make $$ by selling books, dping appearances, etc. Never really succeeded at any business venture because he probably sucks at engaging people. Dude always came across as a jerk to me and his BS social justice crap makes him look even worse.

+1 Bruce Lee kick to da face.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Living in Los Angeles most of my life i can tell you that KAJ only did a public appearance (TV, radio, etc) if he had something to sell. Never just for the hell of it.

And those saying he has a ton of $$, i seriously doubt it. Does he have some mils? Of course. But does he have fu*k you $$? Absolutely not. The guy has always been looking to make $$ by selling books, dping appearances, etc. Never really succeeded at any business venture because he probably sucks at engaging people. Dude always came across as a jerk to me and his BS social justice crap makes him look even worse.

Nearly every site list his net worth as $25-$30MIL. F-U money? No. Needs to insult and rob fans for money? Also no.

If anything, he could have signed more autos, sold more tickets and made more money at the National. If his girlfriend didn't pull these shenanigans. TriStar basically had a KAJ refund line they had to open, for a bunch of people that didn't pay the extorted prices, or those who simply left the line since it wasn't moving due to this.

[cfern023]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Why should there be one price? If a PSA 1 sigs adds $500 to the value but a PSA 9 sig adds $5000 to the value, why should that just be given away free to the guy standing in line trying to arbitrage the value of it?



This thread is just people angry that they can't take as much profit off a Kareem signature as they used to because now Kareem wants a bigger piece of the profit that person is going to make

500 value added vs 5000 value added? Charge 2k for all of em and take the "inspections and opinions" off the table.

[ddouglas14]

Originally Posted by Grid

Nearly every site list his net worth as $25-$30MIL. F-U money? No. Needs to insult and rob fans for money? Also no.

If anything, he could have signed more autos, sold more tickets and made more money at the National. If his girlfriend didn't pull these shenanigans. TriStar basically had a KAJ refund line they had to open, for a bunch of people that didn't pay the extorted prices, or those who simply left the line since it wasn't moving due to this.

KAJ is consistently in “best of all time” conversations, usually listed in the top 5 and his net worth, keep in mind he was a high earner before and during the 80s when you didn’t have to be Warren Buffet to return 25% on your investments, is roughly equivalent to a single season of Brook Lopez. He attempts to squeeze every cent out of his earning potential and we as collectors of cardboard and used sporting equipment are outraged? Sucks but I have to say, get yours Mr Abdul-Jabar.

[Giroux]

KAJ is a jester. Mr. Do Good on social media but wants to get every penny he can out of your average Joe.

[YayNJ]

I love how people act like they would do anything differently.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

I love how people act like they would do anything differently.

Would I have a issue if he would be like many players and have a tiered pricing depending on item he signed and it was starting high like $1k for flats and then going up? Nope not at all. But I do have a issue were he has a tiered pricing and it's up to his handler to decide what that price will be even if it is a card and that two people get charged different prices.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

I love how people act like they would do anything differently.

Most people don't have the "holier than thou" act that he does

[rats60]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

I love how people act like they would do anything differently.

Well pretty much every other athlete does it different, so yes people would do it differently. Who else has their handler grade the card and then charge you based on what the handler grades your card at?

[Grid]

Originally Posted by packman80

Would I have a issue if he would be like many players and have a tiered pricing depending on item he signed and it was starting high like $1k for flats and then going up? Nope not at all. But I do have a issue were he has a tiered pricing and it's up to his handler to decide what that price will be even if it is a card and that two people get charged different prices.

Exactly. Charge more, for different things like many others do. Dont charge more, for same things, like only KAJ does.

Apples and oranges.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by rats60

Well pretty much every other athlete does it different, so yes people would do it differently. Who else has their handler grade the card and then charge you based on what the handler grades your card at?

If athletes had any clue that signing one card was worth an extra $300 on the secondary market and a similar looking card was worth an extra $3000 on the secondary market, they surely would do it like KAJ does.

[Giroux]

Someone went on the Sports Cards Nonsense podcast a few weeks ago and shared their experience. At the 42 minute mark:

https://podbay.fm/p/gio-and-the-ogre/e/1691704920

[Grid]

Originally Posted by BBases31

If athletes had any clue that signing one card was worth an extra $300 on the secondary market and a similar looking card was worth an extra $3000 on the secondary market, they surely would do it like KAJ does.

99% of athletes dont know all that much about their value on various things, on the secondary market. But their agent, handler or show promoter certainly does. And they are the ones that set pricing.

Which is why its common to see certain guys charge more, to sign their rookie cards VS other cards.

But to set pricing based on the condition of said cards? GTF outta here. Only one player is pulling that BS. And rightfully taking the backlash from it.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by Giroux

Most people don't have the "holier than thou" act that he does

I'm not talking about that. Purely making some bank. There's not a single person on here that wouldn't milk their worth to the last cent.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

I'm not talking about that. Purely making some bank. There's not a single person on here that wouldn't milk their worth to the last cent.

Well since he's like the only person marking his price by having his handler judge his cards it seems he is the only person miking his worth.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by packman80

Would I have a issue if he would be like many players and have a tiered pricing depending on item he signed and it was starting high like $1k for flats and then going up? Nope not at all. But I do have a issue were he has a tiered pricing and it's up to his handler to decide what that price will be even if it is a card and that two people get charged different prices.

Well put and agreed.

Originally Posted by YayNJ

I'm not talking about that. Purely making some bank. There's not a single person on here that wouldn't milk their worth to the last cent.

No the problem is the shakedown after folks purchased their auto ticket and costs to get to/in the National and the wait in line. After all that they are then charged a premium on the spot they may operate under a sunk cost fallacy and pay it when they otherwise wouldn't have even purchased a KAJ auto ticket in the first place if they KNEW they'd get upcharged.

It's the extortion hidden fees that people are not happy about, not the up front prices. If you think everyone would operate a racket like that, you are mistaken.