CMC to 9ers

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by asujbl

This

He’s still a RB

Browns should shop Chubb (half kidding) if we could get 4-6 picks out of him

Considering how Hunt plays in his absence, shoot, if they could get a ton of picks, it would be understandable if they made that move.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by asujbl

This

He’s still a RB

Browns should shop Chubb (half kidding) if we could get 4-6 picks out of him

With Chubb you would get a 1st though in the package.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

It's one thing to take a chance on a franchise QB, but when you sacrifice that much draft capital to get him (three 1st round picks and a 3rd), even if the player turns out to be a good pick, what good is he if he's ill-supported for the next several years because the team sacrificed so many future picks to acquire him? It's not like they were chasing a "can't miss generational prospect" like Peyton Manning or John Elway. We're talking about a college quarterback with one full year of actual playing time under his belt before he was selected. The Niners aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Sure, they might make the playoffs by virtue of the division they play in being a total mess, but they are not a "one player away" team who just punched their Super Bowl ticket.

This is an act of desperation on Shanahan's part, and Lynch's to a certain extent, who knows he's screwed the team with the decisions he's made and needs to win now if he has any hope of keeping his job. McCaffrey hasn't played a full season since 2019. Now the team, already short the aforementioned picks from the Lance deal, now has given up four more picks and have decimated their 2023 draft. They already are minus their 1st rounder from 2023 and now have given up their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks from 2023, leaving them with no future. Why? Because Shanahan knows he won't be around to draft what few picks they do have left if they don't win it all this year, which is just about all he has left if he wants to save his job. The guy is a snake oil salesman, as a friend of mine once put it, and I agree. He's smoke and mirrors as a coach and no substance.

The draft capital price for moving up in the draft has gone up in the last five years. See: Mitch Trubisky, etc. It’s the chance you take in the draft these days for what you hope (yes, hope) will be premium talent. But it’s not like the Niners did something extraordinary here. The blue chip QBs aren’t leaving their teams.

It’s WAY too early to tell where the Niners are going. Hell, since 2018, they’ve been contenders every other year. Not sure why that would change, unless it changes for reasons I can’t envision.

Lynch’s first round draftees are spotty… but: Kittle, Deebo, Bosa, Aiyuk, Greenlaw, Warner, Hufanga not to mention Moseley (undrafted).

Shanahan is smoke and mirrors except that his offense for the Falcons in 2016 was the highest scoring in the league. Went to the SB in 2019, the NFCCG in 2021. If he’s smoke and mirrors what does that make the rest of the league?

Not saying Lynch and Shanahan are perfect, clearly they are not, but what you wrote seems… I’m not sure about your approach vector with that view of it all.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

The 49ers have been wasting assets on RBs like it's nobody's business lately. Including the CMC trade, they've now spent a second (CMC), three thirds (Sermon, TDP, CMC), a fourth (CMC), and a sixth (Mitchell), plus a four year, $30MM deal for McKinnon (and the $6MM/year overlap for Tevin Coleman and Raheem Mostert in that window).

I think it just seems like the 49ers believe RBs didn't matter because they were struggling to find many good ones (or ones that could stay healthy).

All said, I like this trade for both teams - the Panthers can net out the terrible Darnold/Mayfield trades with this one, and the 49ers can just do some crazy match-up stuff offensively. Makes sense to me, all things considered.

Short term it's a boost, but it makes me wonder about what it does long term to the Trey Lance era that's forthcoming.

The 2022 draft already looked a little light (esp now that their 3rd round pick at running back is essential a throw away), and now they have a very limited amount of 2023 picks.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

With Chubb you would get a 1st though in the package.

Agreed

Hence why I’m only half joking

[rogueriver]

As a Die Hard Niner fan and watching this guy run the ball even back at Stanford, I am excited to see what we can do....On the other hand he has been getting hurt a lot and we have a ton of injuries....Also we gave a bunch of draft capital on him which I would be OK with if we didnt give the farm to move up for Lance.....Either way he is a dynamic player and will be VERY ENTERTAINING to watch as long as he stays healthy he can keep the defenses honest, and force them to fear the run again.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by rogueriver

As a Die Hard Niner fan and watching this guy run the ball even back at Stanford, I am excited to see what we can do....On the other hand he has been getting hurt a lot and we have a ton of injuries....Also we gave a bunch of draft capital on him which I would be OK with if we didnt give the farm to move up for Lance.....Either way he is a dynamic player and will be VERY ENTERTAINING to watch as long as he stays healthy he can keep the defenses honest, and force them to fear the run again.

This is a straight justification post. I respect it

[LincecumPC]

"Can CMC play OL?" Are there any impact OL on the market right now? Serious questions bc I haven't heard of any on the block.

"They could have at least gotten a deep threat." Have you seen Jimmy throw beyond 15-20 yards? It does not happen often and I hate that I need to bring it up but see case exhibit Super Bowl against the Chiefs, 4th quarter throw to Emmanuel Sanders. Jimmy's strength is getting rid of the ball early and making quick reads.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by cavsfan70

I live in Charlotte and finally the Panthers are doing smart things. Trading for Baker helped secure that terrible record. Anybody with a brain knew he would be terrible.

Continue the tank and get CJ Stroud. Start this over like they did when they took Cam. It's that simple.

They have what it appears to be a franchise LT, DJ Moore can be a WR1 with even competent QB play. Do not trade any of the front 7.

Good luck CMC. West coast boi goes home. If the 9ers don't run him into the ground (they shouldn't because there are players other than CMC to force feed the ball to) they will be in the NFC Champ game against the Eagles.

They trade for Baker to lose on purpose?

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by rman112

They trade for Baker to lose on purpose?

No, they traded for Baker so the Niners could play the Eagles in the NFC Championship.

Come on man, pretty clear.

[BonVoyage]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

It's one thing to take a chance on a franchise QB, but when you sacrifice that much draft capital to get him (three 1st round picks and a 3rd), even if the player turns out to be a good pick, what good is he if he's ill-supported for the next several years because the team sacrificed so many future picks to acquire him? It's not like they were chasing a "can't miss generational prospect" like Peyton Manning or John Elway. We're talking about a college quarterback with one full year of actual playing time under his belt before he was selected. The Niners aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Sure, they might make the playoffs by virtue of the division they play in being a total mess, but they are not a "one player away" team who just punched their Super Bowl ticket.

This is an act of desperation on Shanahan's part, and Lynch's to a certain extent, who knows he's screwed the team with the decisions he's made and needs to win now if he has any hope of keeping his job. McCaffrey hasn't played a full season since 2019. Now the team, already short the aforementioned picks from the Lance deal, now has given up four more picks and have decimated their 2023 draft. They already are minus their 1st rounder from 2023 and now have given up their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks from 2023, leaving them with no future. Why? Because Shanahan knows he won't be around to draft what few picks they do have left if they don't win it all this year, which is just about all he has left if he wants to save his job. The guy is a snake oil salesman, as a friend of mine once put it, and I agree. He's smoke and mirrors as a coach and no substance.

I’m not a fan of the trade but saying Shanahan is out if he doesn’t win the SB this year is one of the funniest things I’ve read on here.


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[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by BonVoyage

I’m not a fan of the trade but saying Shanahan is out if he doesn’t win the SB this year is one of the funniest things I’ve read on here.


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I'll admit, that was an overreach on my part. Glad I could entertain you.

[Stifle]

Great move in providing less wear and tear on D. Samuel.

[ninjacookies]

Feels like the Niners are an above-decent qb away from being a real contender.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Feels like the Niners are an above-decent qb away from being a real contender.

I haven't been paying close attention to them, but I saw a ton of people dump a ton of money on this guy named Trey Lance this preseason.

How's it going for him? Those investments must be paying off, right?

[Athey49]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Feels like the Niners are an above-decent qb away from being a real contender.

They were a real contender the last few years with Jimmy. Granted they probably win the Super Bowl with a better QB, but they were contenders nonetheless

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Beyond terrible trade, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th that will all be at the back end of the round and a 5th the following year.

Should have never even considered any trade that didn't include a 1st rounder, no chance the Bills wouldn't have given a better offer than that, our GM should be fired tonight.

i read a book about how this coach loved gathering a bunch of draft picks because it was a total crap shoot.

it mentioned how your chances of hitting a big pick in the draft was essentially like pulling out a lottery ball, and the math and science would tell you, that the more balls you've got, the better chances you have to win.

so no, this wasn't a "terrible trade", this is a good trade for a terrible football team.

they added a 2,3, and 4 this upcoming draft.

just for reference:

Deebo was a 2nd rounder. Fred Warner was a 3rd rounder. Kittle and Greenlaw were 5th rounders.

the 49ers are all in for a Super Bowl. Carolina is all in for a rebuild. both are going about it in ways they feel is best for their franchise, and there's nothing wrong with that. (i'll disregard the QB mess they have in Carolina)

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Feels like the Niners are an above-decent qb away from being a real contender.

"a real contender"

they've been to the SB and NFC Championship game 2 of the last 3 seasons when they had a healthy football team.

but i do agree, if they had a QB like Mahomes or Watson, whom they passed on in 2017, or Brady or Stafford who they didn't trade for, yes, they'd be a dynasty right now.

[BonVoyage]

Originally Posted by oplum29

"a real contender"

they've been to the SB and NFC Championship game 2 of the last 3 seasons when they had a healthy football team.

but i do agree, if they had a QB like Mahomes or Watson, whom they passed on in 2017, or Brady or Stafford who they didn't trade for, yes, they'd be a dynasty right now.

They’re a couple plays away from having won in 19 AND 21. JG hits Sanders, Shanahan calls better plays up 10, Tartt doesn’t drop that INT…
But their OL was much better those years.

Going back to the “Shanahan must win” reach, I actually think you could make the case he’s the 5th or 6th safest coach after Belichek, Reid, Tomlin, McVay


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[oplum29]

Originally Posted by BonVoyage

I don’t really get it. Do the Niners think they’re a RB away from being SB contenders? Seems like they would’ve been better served acquiring OLine help or a deep threat WR (like Emmanuel Sanders in 2019).


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the 49ers were explosive with Mostert at RB, because he's really quick off the ball in that zone run offense that Shanahan likes to run.

losing him and replacing him with Eli Mitchell, you could see that lack of explosiveness off the ball that not every RB in this league has.

it was sorely lacking.

seeing Mitchell in the playoffs, he clearly wore out down the stretch, and losing him in Week 1 really hurt the 49ers run game. Wilson is good, but he's not a long term answer.

if you can immediately improve your running game with one of the best backs in football, a swiss army knife of a player, why not make the move?

it's scary what a defense has to plan out for now.

and i know people will say, "yeah but JimmyG is still the QB"....teams said the same crap about the Ravens and Trent Dilfer, yet Dilfer won a SB.

that's all the 49ers want. a SB win.

now you're a defense having to plan out how to play Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, Jennings on 3rd down, and McCaffrey....yikes.

[BonVoyage]

Originally Posted by oplum29

the 49ers were explosive with Mostert at RB, because he's really quick off the ball in that zone run offense that Shanahan likes to run.

losing him and replacing him with Eli Mitchell, you could see that lack of explosiveness off the ball that not every RB in this league has.

it was sorely lacking.

seeing Mitchell in the playoffs, he clearly wore out down the stretch, and losing him in Week 1 really hurt the 49ers run game. Wilson is good, but he's not a long term answer.

if you can immediately improve your running game with one of the best backs in football, a swiss army knife of a player, why not make the move?

it's scary what a defense has to plan out for now.

and i know people will say, "yeah but JimmyG is still the QB"....teams said the same crap about the Ravens and Trent Dilfer, yet Dilfer won a SB.

that's all the 49ers want. a SB win.

now you're a defense having to plan out how to play Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, Jennings on 3rd down, and McCaffrey....yikes.

It’s unfortunate the relationship with Mostert fell apart, he really did fit the system well, but it was a foregone conclusion he wasn’t resigning w SF.
They didn’t really bring in much competition for Mitchell. TDP has been billed as more of a bruiser/complement. Sermon didn’t make it past his second training camp. So clearly they felt comfortable with Mitchell.


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[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by oplum29

the 49ers were explosive with Mostert at RB, because he's really quick off the ball in that zone run offense that Shanahan likes to run.

losing him and replacing him with Eli Mitchell, you could see that lack of explosiveness off the ball that not every RB in this league has.

it was sorely lacking.

seeing Mitchell in the playoffs, he clearly wore out down the stretch, and losing him in Week 1 really hurt the 49ers run game. Wilson is good, but he's not a long term answer.

if you can immediately improve your running game with one of the best backs in football, a swiss army knife of a player, why not make the move?

it's scary what a defense has to plan out for now.

and i know people will say, "yeah but JimmyG is still the QB"....teams said the same crap about the Ravens and Trent Dilfer, yet Dilfer won a SB.

that's all the 49ers want. a SB win.

now you're a defense having to plan out how to play Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, Jennings on 3rd down, and McCaffrey....yikes.

Originally Posted by oplum29

the 49ers were explosive with Mostert at RB, because he's really quick off the ball in that zone run offense that Shanahan likes to run.

losing him and replacing him with Eli Mitchell, you could see that lack of explosiveness off the ball that not every RB in this league has.

it was sorely lacking.

seeing Mitchell in the playoffs, he clearly wore out down the stretch, and losing him in Week 1 really hurt the 49ers run game. Wilson is good, but he's not a long term answer.

if you can immediately improve your running game with one of the best backs in football, a swiss army knife of a player, why not make the move?

it's scary what a defense has to plan out for now.

and i know people will say, "yeah but JimmyG is still the QB"....teams said the same crap about the Ravens and Trent Dilfer, yet Dilfer won a SB.

that's all the 49ers want. a SB win.

now you're a defense having to plan out how to play Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, Jennings on 3rd down, and McCaffrey....yikes.

Kittle 82 yds Rec
Samuel 42 yds Rec
Aiyuk 82 yds Rec
Jennings 24 yds Rec
Wilson 54 yds Rush
McCaffery 38 yds Rush

Yeah I’d say KC didn’t have a problem with these guys


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