First Buzz: 2021 Panini Prizm UFC trading cards

[cruiserdaddy7]

Need to stop blaming Panini though.

Those falls on the people buying at these prices as well as those setting the initial pricing.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Need to stop blaming Panini though.

Those falls on the people buying at these prices as well as those setting the initial pricing.

Yeah and it’s capitalism. Companies will keep raising prices as long as people keep paying for them. I paid $25 for a pack of NBA Hoops at my local shop a couple of weeks ago just because I wanted to open a pack of something and pretty much haven’t seen packs of anything at retail where I live for the past year.


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[jdahlstrom]

I used to buy a lot of UFC from 2011-2014 . What's the most a box came out to start with like $250 for a high end UFC Knockout after that it could go up . Starting 4 times higher at $1000 I just don't see it . I guess they are like all the cards in the box are rookies its the first panini card of every guy so it will just go back down to normal prices after this product . Hopefully breakers will embrace this and singles will make it to ebay so we can get some deals or the box price will just plummet on these . Why don't they just crank the price of NASCAR Prizm up to $1000 while they are at it ?

[cruiserdaddy7]

I remember buying 2018 knockout at $70 a box on closeout. The good ole days.

[omega145]

Originally Posted by rms13

I paid $25 for a pack of NBA Hoops at my local shop a couple of weeks ago just because I wanted to open a pack of something

Some collectors need to look in the mirror and realize they are the ones causing this explosion in pack pricing because collectors are the ones that are paying these prices. Stop paying the prices and pack prices will eventually go down. You can say its flippers all you want but when you are overpaying for packs and boxes and doing case breaks then you are contributing to the problem.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by omega145

Some collectors need to look in the mirror and realize they are the ones causing this explosion in pack pricing because collectors are the ones that are paying these prices. Stop paying the prices and pack prices will eventually go down. You can say its flippers all you want but when you are overpaying for packs and boxes and doing case breaks then you are contributing to the problem.

Yeah, I'm not buying packs anymore. I bought a hobby box of Topps Heritage Baseball for the relatively cheap price of $145. I had about 30 minutes of fun opening but ended up with a lot of cards I don't care about and probably not enough to break even even if I wanted do the work of selling them all. With the price now I'm happy buying raw cards of fighter/players that I want and let other people break boxes

[DMack]

Speaking of first buzz... Regardless of the absurd pricing, not enough attention is being put on the terrible choice of cover stars... you have a guy that’s recently retired (Khabib), another who just demanded his release from the UFC and has a career littered with cheating, drug abuse and crimes including a hit-and-run on a pregnant woman (Jon Jones), a hype train with gimmicky appeal who’s biggest moment was a last minute fill in for a title shot where he was dominated for 25 minutes, and will be rematching where the same thing most likely will happen pushing him further out of the top tier picture (masvidal), and finally Nunes who you thankfully can say nothing bad about. (Except for the fact that she’s so much better than everyone in two divisions that they can’t make matches for her anymore because there’s nobody even close to touching her, so much so that she’s also considering retiring)

They really whiffed on this opportunity IMO. If I were in charge I would have gone with a mix of both proven and rising stars like Shevchenko, Ngannou, Chandler and maybe Sandhagen.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by DMack

Speaking of first buzz... Regardless of the absurd pricing, not enough attention is being put on the terrible choice of cover stars... you have a guy that’s recently retired (Khabib), another who just demanded his release from the UFC and has a career littered with cheating, drug abuse and crimes including a hit-and-run on a pregnant woman (Jon Jones), a hype train with gimmicky appeal who’s biggest moment was a last minute fill in for a title shot where he was dominated for 25 minutes, and will be rematching where the same thing most likely will happen pushing him further out of the top tier picture (masvidal), and finally Nunes who you thankfully can say nothing bad about. (Except for the fact that she’s so much better than everyone in two divisions that they can’t make matches for her anymore because there’s nobody even close to touching her, so much so that she’s also considering retiring)

They really whiffed on this opportunity IMO. If I were in charge I would have gone with a mix of both proven and rising stars like Shevchenko, Ngannou, Chandler and maybe Sandhagen.

Jorge Masvidal has been a pro fighter for nearly 20 years and has fought a literal who’s who’s in promotions ranging from Strikeforce to Bellator to the UFC. Calling him a hype train with gimmicky appeal is not only a terribly disrespectful take but a incredibly uneducated one as well.

[DMack]

Maybe hype-train wasn’t a great description in the typical sense. But the point I’m trying to make is that he’s gone from a “20 year pro fighter” who has never been popular to basically an overnight star without any real substance. He sucker punched another fighter backstage, then landed a flukey flying knee in a highly anticipated event against a fighter everyone loves to hate and all of a sudden he’s a superstar. Hype-train is typically reserved for a new, upstart young fighter who’s off to a great start so I agree with your comment. Never the less, his popularity isn’t really justified performance-wise in my opinion.

[DMack]

I forgot, he knocked out Darren Till which is probably the biggest win of his career which really isn’t saying a whole lot. “Over-hyped” would have been a better descriptor.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by DMack

I forgot, he knocked out Darren Till which is probably the biggest win of his career which really isn’t saying a whole lot. “Over-hyped” would have been a better descriptor.

Gotcha. The submission of Michael Chiesa has aged really well also.

[DMack]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

It will sell out in seconds.

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Gotcha. The submission of Michael Chiesa has aged really well also.

Are you talking abt Kevin Lee?

[xposipx]

Originally Posted by DMack

I forgot, he knocked out Darren Till which is probably the biggest win of his career which really isn’t saying a whole lot. “Over-hyped” would have been a better descriptor.

They’ve probably had this art already printed for quite a while also. Remember, this deal was in the works in mid 2020 where Jorge was a bigger sale. Nunes belongs, but you’re right on the other two. Maybe even highlight a “rookie” not in Topps products.

I wish they would get creative, but we all know panini will turn this into a bore. Wouldn’t it be cool if they released a female-only or legends-only product?

[DMack]

Originally Posted by xposipx

They’ve probably had this art already printed for quite a while also. Remember, this deal was in the works in mid 2020 where Jorge was a bigger sale. Nunes belongs, but you’re right on the other two. Maybe even highlight a “rookie” not in Topps products.

I wish they would get creative, but we all know panini will turn this into a bore. Wouldn’t it be cool if they released a female-only or legends-only product?

Legends only or female would be great. I’d buy that. (Assuming it’s not $1000 for a 12 pack box)

They have some great rookies to pick from. I was surprised not to see Chandler on the cover honestly. I think he’ll be the biggest rookie in 2021 cards and he’s never had a major brand trading card in his 12 year career in other orgs. (I did pickup a pretty cool indi card startup rookie of him tho)

[omega145]

Originally Posted by rms13

Yeah, I'm not buying packs anymore. I bought a hobby box of Topps Heritage Baseball for the relatively cheap price of $145.

Isn't that Topps Heritage baseball box $20? I bought a box off Topps.com and saw a bunch at Target the other day.

Originally Posted by DMack

Speaking of first buzz... Regardless of the absurd pricing, not enough attention is being put on the terrible choice of cover stars... you have a guy that’s recently retired (Khabib), another who just demanded his release from the UFC and has a career littered with cheating, drug abuse and crimes including a hit-and-run on a pregnant woman (Jon Jones), a hype train with gimmicky appeal who’s biggest moment was a last minute fill in for a title shot where he was dominated for 25 minutes, and will be rematching where the same thing most likely will happen pushing him further out of the top tier picture (masvidal), and finally Nunes who you thankfully can say nothing bad about. (Except for the fact that she’s so much better than everyone in two divisions that they can’t make matches for her anymore because there’s nobody even close to touching her, so much so that she’s also considering retiring)

Agreed with most of your points but lets be real, putting Corey Sandhagen or another rising star isn't really going to sell packs. Just like those guys don't sell fights. Unfortunately, as much as I'm not a fan, Masvidal draws eyes to fights and would get people to buy packs more than someone who should get more shine. I alluded to it on another post somewhere on this forum but as a life long fan of MMA, i'm definitely tired of the hype train sometimes overshadowing talent.

Look at other sports and the way how they market their players. Guys like Kobe had a serious rape accusation against him and he's seen as some angelic figure....Derrick Rose anyone? How about Mike Tyson? An actual convicted rapist has become a very popular pop culture icon and a boxing legend. People tend to worship those who they really shouldn't and putting popular faces (good or bad) draws people to tune in or in this case, buy packs/boxes.

[Brobocop]

They could put a fresh diaper full of baby poop on the cover of the box and they'd still be able to sell out of it.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by DMack

Are you talking abt Kevin Lee?

No. I’m talking about Jorge Masvidal’s submission of Michael Chiesa. Lee submitted Chiesa too but I remember the ref jumping in and stopping it before he tapped or was out and Chiesa immediately protesting the stoppage.

Another reason it makes sense to have Masvidal on the cover is he’s never had autos until now.

[DMack]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

No. I’m talking about Jorge Masvidal’s submission of Michael Chiesa. Lee submitted Chiesa too but I remember the ref jumping in and stopping it before he tapped or was out and Chiesa immediately protesting the stoppage.

Another reason it makes sense to have Masvidal on the cover is he’s never had autos until now.

I agree he has a huge following now and I’m sure he’ll sell some cards so I agree that maybe for the time being it’s a good move. I just personally see his appeal start to rapidly dwindle back to mediocrity after he loses again to Usman.... where he’s been for over a decade until the hype-train left the station recently. The fact that this is his first auto after being in MMA for about 2 decades just further proves my point on the fickle nature of his recent rise in fame. A backstage altercation and a catchy quote (3 piece with the soda), and 1 flukey viral knockout are not strong foundations for the longevity of his recent fame. I just see his fire going out long before all the boxes of this product sell out. Again, just my prediction.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by omega145

Isn't that Topps Heritage baseball box $20? I bought a box off Topps.com and saw a bunch at Target the other day.



Agreed with most of your points but lets be real, putting Corey Sandhagen or another rising star isn't really going to sell packs. Just like those guys don't sell fights. Unfortunately, as much as I'm not a fan, Masvidal draws eyes to fights and would get people to buy packs more than someone who should get more shine. I alluded to it on another post somewhere on this forum but as a life long fan of MMA, i'm definitely tired of the hype train sometimes overshadowing talent.

Look at other sports and the way how they market their players. Guys like Kobe had a serious rape accusation against him and he's seen as some angelic figure....Derrick Rose anyone? How about Mike Tyson? An actual convicted rapist has become a very popular pop culture icon and a boxing legend. People tend to worship those who they really shouldn't and putting popular faces (good or bad) draws people to tune in or in this case, buy packs/boxes.

I think Heritage retail box msrp is 19.99, I bought the hobby box which I think msrp is around $100 but i don't know anywhere you can buy it for retail except from Topps direct and they sold out instantly.

Where do you live that Target has cards??? I haven't seen any sports or non sports cards in Target or Walmarts neear me in about a year. Just empty shelves now

[NestnEgg]

I hope they at least make booklets. Would love to pull a dual booklet auto relic of ufc superstars
No checklist yet? I hope they have rookie autos of Punahele Soriano and Khamzat Chimaev

Who are the best MMA box breakers? I live in Canada, and have never seen a single UFC break

[frobebryant]

Originally Posted by omega145

Isn't that Topps Heritage baseball box $20? I bought a box off Topps.com and saw a bunch at Target the other day.



Agreed with most of your points but lets be real, putting Corey Sandhagen or another rising star isn't really going to sell packs. Just like those guys don't sell fights. Unfortunately, as much as I'm not a fan, Masvidal draws eyes to fights and would get people to buy packs more than someone who should get more shine. I alluded to it on another post somewhere on this forum but as a life long fan of MMA, i'm definitely tired of the hype train sometimes overshadowing talent.

Look at other sports and the way how they market their players. Guys like Kobe had a serious rape accusation against him and he's seen as some angelic figure....Derrick Rose anyone? How about Mike Tyson? An actual convicted rapist has become a very popular pop culture icon and a boxing legend. People tend to worship those who they really shouldn't and putting popular faces (good or bad) draws people to tune in or in this case, buy packs/boxes.

man if you dont know the difference between hobby and retail you gonna have a baaaaaad time

[Nodnarb]

Originally Posted by rms13

Yeah, I'm not buying packs anymore. I bought a hobby box of Topps Heritage Baseball for the relatively cheap price of $145. I had about 30 minutes of fun opening but ended up with a lot of cards I don't care about and probably not enough to break even even if I wanted do the work of selling them all. With the price now I'm happy buying raw cards of fighter/players that I want and let other people break boxes

this is where I'm at as well. might as well just buy the cards, skip the fun of the gamble since usually you don't come out a winner.

[FightFan]

One this is certain. April 28th release date. By May 15th the price will either be slashed to less than $5,000 per case.... or it will double in price. There’s no way it stays at current $12,000 per

[omega145]

Originally Posted by frobebryant

man if you dont know the difference between hobby and retail you gonna have a baaaaaad time

I don't overpay for packs or boxes of cards. Would rather put my money towards the cards I want. Paying $200 for a box of Topps Heritage still seems pretty over priced.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by omega145

I don't overpay for packs or boxes of cards. Would rather put my money towards the cards I want. Paying $200 for a box of Topps Heritage still seems pretty over priced.

I only paid $145, I’m not that insane! But yeah for $145 I could have bought a few chase cards from the set off eBay and done better than what I got in my box. I mostly did it for fun. For the price of dinner and movies with my family (which we haven’t been able to do for over a year) I got to open some packs. This is why the hobby has spikes during pandemic. I still have my entertainment budget that I haven’t been able to spend on anything else for a year


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