Rolling 2021 Bowman Autograph Checklist Thread - Page 4

LittleJimmies · 03-17-2021, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by houdini

1st Edition Checklist - this will be the same as the prospects in 2021 Bowman

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/2021...nChecklist.pdf

You doing 20/50/100 casers?

marterburn · 03-17-2021, 04:27 PM

Here's the back-of-the-napkin Bowman 1st's:

BFE-5 Nick Maton Philadelphia Phillies®
BFE-7 Maximo Acosta Texas Rangers®
BFE-21 Adinso Reyes Detroit Tigers®
BFE-25 Jeremy De La Rosa Washington Nationals®
BFE-33 Eddy Diaz Colorado Rockies™
BFE-36 Ismael Mena San Diego Padres™
BFE-37 Jeisson Rosario Boston Red Sox®
BFE-40 Yolbert Sanchez Chicago White Sox®
BFE-42 Mick Abel Philadelphia Phillies®
BFE-52 Liover Peguero Pittsburgh Pirates®
BFE-59 Jake Vogel Los Angeles Dodgers®
BFE-71 Blaze Jordan Boston Red Sox®
BFE-82 Antonio Gomez New York Yankees®
BFE-89 Gabriel Arias Cleveland Indians®
BFE-94 Trent Deveaux Angels®
BFE-110 Jose Salas Miami Marlins®
BFE-125 Aaron Sabato Minnesota Twins®
BFE-128 Jose Tena Cleveland Indians®
BFE-130 Hyun-il Choi Los Angeles Dodgers®
BFE-131 Christopher Morel Chicago Cubs®
BFE-140 Yunior Severino Minnesota Twins®
BFE-145 Alexander Ramirez Angels®

marterburn · 03-17-2021, 04:33 PM

So Alexander Vargas & Heriberto Hernandez will either be auto-only or are being held back for BC. That's a little disappointing.

Pens44 · 03-17-2021, 04:34 PM

Any release date for this yet?

jcfill · 03-17-2021, 04:37 PM

Beat to the punch!

jcfill · 03-17-2021, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marterburn

Here's the back-of-the-napkin Bowman 1st's:

BFE-5 Nick Maton Philadelphia Phillies®
BFE-7 Maximo Acosta Texas Rangers®
BFE-21 Adinso Reyes Detroit Tigers®
BFE-25 Jeremy De La Rosa Washington Nationals®
BFE-33 Eddy Diaz Colorado Rockies™
BFE-36 Ismael Mena San Diego Padres™
BFE-37 Jeisson Rosario Boston Red Sox®
BFE-40 Yolbert Sanchez Chicago White Sox®
BFE-42 Mick Abel Philadelphia Phillies®
BFE-52 Liover Peguero Pittsburgh Pirates®
BFE-59 Jake Vogel Los Angeles Dodgers®
BFE-71 Blaze Jordan Boston Red Sox®
BFE-82 Antonio Gomez New York Yankees®
BFE-89 Gabriel Arias Cleveland Indians®
BFE-94 Trent Deveaux Angels®
BFE-110 Jose Salas Miami Marlins®
BFE-125 Aaron Sabato Minnesota Twins®
BFE-128 Jose Tena Cleveland Indians®
BFE-130 Hyun-il Choi Los Angeles Dodgers®
BFE-131 Christopher Morel Chicago Cubs®
BFE-140 Yunior Severino Minnesota Twins®
BFE-145 Alexander Ramirez Angels®

BFE-97 Kevin Alcantara as well who I imagine will be one of the bigger names.

marterburn · 03-17-2021, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jcfill

BFE-97 Kevin Alcantara as well who I imagine will be one of the bigger names.

Yeah I missed Austin Martin too, lol.

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pskell02 · 03-17-2021, 04:57 PM

BFE-52 Liover Peguero Pittsburgh Pirates®

Excellent

Remmons22 · 03-17-2021, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jcfill

BFE-97 Kevin Alcantara as well who I imagine will be one of the bigger names.

Probably best to wait on buying him. Too many moving parts in his swing (and he's like 6'6). I imagine he is going to take a while to find his swing (if he ever does).

jcfill · 03-17-2021, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Remmons22

Probably best to wait on buying him. Too many moving parts in his swing (and he's like 6'6). I imagine he is going to take a while to find his swing (if he ever does).

I believe it, outside of Martin I haven’t decided who I’d want to chase.

Gabriel Arias is an interesting one just based off his spring numbers. I’m sure there’s a few auto only guys as well not included here.

crpav · 03-17-2021, 05:35 PM

Not sure I really want to continue on going after my White Sox guys. Only reason the scrubs I want go for way so much is because cost of product and pumped up prices by bidders. Looking back at what I paid for Matthew Thompson, that is where prices for most pitchers I want, besides Crochet, should be.

marterburn · 03-17-2021, 06:32 PM

I'm gonna do a full workup with my spreadsheet thingy (I revamped it) for all the 1st guys. Might take a few days though.

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bdsparty32 · 03-17-2021, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marterburn

Here's the back-of-the-napkin Bowman 1st's:

BFE-5 Nick Maton Philadelphia Phillies®
BFE-7 Maximo Acosta Texas Rangers®
BFE-21 Adinso Reyes Detroit Tigers®
BFE-25 Jeremy De La Rosa Washington Nationals®
BFE-33 Eddy Diaz Colorado Rockies™
BFE-36 Ismael Mena San Diego Padres™
BFE-37 Jeisson Rosario Boston Red Sox®
BFE-40 Yolbert Sanchez Chicago White Sox®
BFE-42 Mick Abel Philadelphia Phillies®
BFE-52 Liover Peguero Pittsburgh Pirates®
BFE-59 Jake Vogel Los Angeles Dodgers®
BFE-71 Blaze Jordan Boston Red Sox®
BFE-82 Antonio Gomez New York Yankees®
BFE-89 Gabriel Arias Cleveland Indians®
BFE-94 Trent Deveaux Angels®
BFE-110 Jose Salas Miami Marlins®
BFE-125 Aaron Sabato Minnesota Twins®
BFE-128 Jose Tena Cleveland Indians®
BFE-130 Hyun-il Choi Los Angeles Dodgers®
BFE-131 Christopher Morel Chicago Cubs®
BFE-140 Yunior Severino Minnesota Twins®
BFE-145 Alexander Ramirez Angels®

Rosario was in 2017 Bowman Chrome, although he still does not have an auto

marterburn · 03-18-2021, 09:05 PM

Ok, so I created a spreadsheet for 'hobby projections' for all the 1st players on the CL plus the autos we know about who are not on the CL.

Here's my top 10:

Red: complete flameout risk. A lot of these guys are very young. There are a lot of flameouts, it's not fair to legislate it. But what we (currently) think is a strong hit tool right now mitigates it.

Blue: if a guy is already in AA, this is where all his risk is. Still hit tool is the biggest factor here, and defensive limitation increases it.

Yellow: likely outcome. Does the player have one? Is the likely outcome that of a full time player? If a player has some power, or power projection, this will be higher.

Green: This is hobby ceiling. It's almost entirely tied to power, because that's what we care most about. If you want, you can use JUST this green bar and get a good idea of prices, probably.

Orange: I added this later to cover hype/helium/j'est ne se quoi. Call it the Blaze Jordan effect.

Full sheet here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk

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Jaypers · 03-23-2021, 06:30 PM

Attachment 504483

marterburn · 03-23-2021, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaypers

Attachment 504483

Possibly a BC guy at this point, no?

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Jaypers · 03-23-2021, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by marterburn

Possibly a BC guy at this point, no?

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That's 6 months away. But maybe.

marterburn · 03-23-2021, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaypers

That's 6 months away. But maybe.

See, this is just me hoping, because I really want some Hedbert (base) and I'm gonna be priced out of autos immediately -- and we know he's not on the base CL.

But correct. It's just hope. It's late for Bowman and early for BC. So we'll see.

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jcfill · 03-23-2021, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by marterburn

See, this is just me hoping, because I really want some Hedbert (base) and I'm gonna be priced out of autos immediately -- and we know he's not on the base CL.

But correct. It's just hope. It's late for Bowman and early for BC. So we'll see.

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Is it possible he’s an auto only redemption?

marterburn · 03-23-2021, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jcfill

Is it possible he’s an auto only redemption?

If he's in Bowman he'll definitely be auto only.

If that's true and this photo was taken today he will almost certainly be a redemption, or Bowman will be delayed (not starting that rumor, not starting that rumor, i know nothing of it).

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VandyCards · 03-23-2021, 06:58 PM

Maybe he got delayed signing that ornate auto

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marterburn · 03-23-2021, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by VandyCards

Maybe he got delayed signing that ornate auto

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Yeah that 'Hp' is pretty bad. But obviously, this is another huge name for the CL. Probably slots in right under Alcantara for me -- #5, above Blaze. Gotta read more on exactly how good he was at the alt site to be sure though.

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fordcollector · 03-26-2021, 09:45 AM

few weeks away, seems like case prices are way overpriced

crpav · 03-26-2021, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fordcollector

few weeks away, seems like case prices are way overpriced

Not going to argue but you will get the same response from so many that it's how the hobby is now. Up, up and UPPP. How so many still defend it is beyond me. I get it that the hobby is on fire and demand it huge but doesn't mean prices need to be as high as they are. IN the end though it is what it is.

marterburn · 03-26-2021, 10:14 AM

"Everything is worth what it's purchaser will pay for it." --Publilius Syrus

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03-17-2021, 04:27 PM	#77
marterburn Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Milwaukee area Posts: 4,719 burnmax12 burnmax12	Here's the back-of-the-napkin Bowman 1st's: BFE-5 Nick Maton Philadelphia Phillies® BFE-7 Maximo Acosta Texas Rangers® BFE-21 Adinso Reyes Detroit Tigers® BFE-25 Jeremy De La Rosa Washington Nationals® BFE-33 Eddy Diaz Colorado Rockies™ BFE-36 Ismael Mena San Diego Padres™ BFE-37 Jeisson Rosario Boston Red Sox® BFE-40 Yolbert Sanchez Chicago White Sox® BFE-42 Mick Abel Philadelphia Phillies® BFE-52 Liover Peguero Pittsburgh Pirates® BFE-59 Jake Vogel Los Angeles Dodgers® BFE-71 Blaze Jordan Boston Red Sox® BFE-82 Antonio Gomez New York Yankees® BFE-89 Gabriel Arias Cleveland Indians® BFE-94 Trent Deveaux Angels® BFE-110 Jose Salas Miami Marlins® BFE-125 Aaron Sabato Minnesota Twins® BFE-128 Jose Tena Cleveland Indians® BFE-130 Hyun-il Choi Los Angeles Dodgers® BFE-131 Christopher Morel Chicago Cubs® BFE-140 Yunior Severino Minnesota Twins® BFE-145 Alexander Ramirez Angels®

03-17-2021, 04:33 PM	#78
marterburn Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Milwaukee area Posts: 4,719 burnmax12 burnmax12	So Alexander Vargas & Heriberto Hernandez will either be auto-only or are being held back for BC. That's a little disappointing.

03-17-2021, 04:34 PM	#79
Pens44 Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 194	Any release date for this yet?

03-17-2021, 04:37 PM	#80
jcfill Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 588 cardbrosphilly jcfill	Beat to the punch!

03-17-2021, 05:35 PM	#86
crpav Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 3,196	Not sure I really want to continue on going after my White Sox guys. Only reason the scrubs I want go for way so much is because cost of product and pumped up prices by bidders. Looking back at what I paid for Matthew Thompson, that is where prices for most pitchers I want, besides Crochet, should be.

03-17-2021, 06:32 PM	#87
marterburn Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Milwaukee area Posts: 4,719 burnmax12 burnmax12	I'm gonna do a full workup with my spreadsheet thingy (I revamped it) for all the 1st guys. Might take a few days though. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

03-18-2021, 09:05 PM	#89
marterburn Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Milwaukee area Posts: 4,719 burnmax12 burnmax12	Ok, so I created a spreadsheet for 'hobby projections' for all the 1st players on the CL plus the autos we know about who are not on the CL. Here's my top 10: Red: complete flameout risk. A lot of these guys are very young. There are a lot of flameouts, it's not fair to legislate it. But what we (currently) think is a strong hit tool right now mitigates it. Blue: if a guy is already in AA, this is where all his risk is. Still hit tool is the biggest factor here, and defensive limitation increases it. Yellow: likely outcome. Does the player have one? Is the likely outcome that of a full time player? If a player has some power, or power projection, this will be higher. Green: This is hobby ceiling. It's almost entirely tied to power, because that's what we care most about. If you want, you can use JUST this green bar and get a good idea of prices, probably. Orange: I added this later to cover hype/helium/j'est ne se quoi. Call it the Blaze Jordan effect. Full sheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

03-26-2021, 09:45 AM	#98
fordcollector Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Mass Posts: 178 cardsncash82	few weeks away, seems like case prices are way overpriced

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