First Buzz: 'The Orville' Archives Autograph Card Edition

[GOTcollector]

can we all agree a PSA 10 is worth nothing in the non sports hobby?

[AceGambit3]

Originally Posted by GOTcollector

Seth is an absoute piece of garbage, thankfully only collect game of thrones and the odd TML card, he should be ashamed off himself.

I read this in Bronn's voice.

[DontToewsMeBro]

Originally Posted by Rictor

PSA also authenticates fakes autographs that are so bad that they're spelled wrong, so I don't put a lot of stock in their authentication.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...t=loretta+swit

OK but the logic escapes me

I get it authenticated by one of the top 3 authenticators in the business and you say it may be fake

If I didn't get it authenticated and since I got it TTM people would say it may be fake

Can I win in any situation here?

And the evidence link you provide was an instance of case switching by the owner. The PSA # is legit but someone opened the case and switched out the authentic card for a fake probably to sell and keep the original. That's what we call in the biz.... a scam.

[dd316]

It's really shocking when autopens get packed out. You'd think somebody flips through the cards to make sure they're all signed, and in doing so the consistency in signatures should be painfully obvious. At least they're acknowledging the problem, hopefully there's a good resolution.

[Rictor]

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

OK but the logic escapes me

I get it authenticated by one of the top 3 authenticators in the business and you say it may be fake

If I didn't get it authenticated and since I got it TTM people would say it may be fake

Can I win in any situation here?

And the evidence link you provide was an instance of case switching by the owner. The PSA # is legit but someone opened the case and switched out the authentic card for a fake probably to sell and keep the original. That's what we call in the biz.... a scam.

It was not a case switch. PSA authenticated the card in the case. If you read the whole thread, the person who submitted the card to PSA confirmed as much. The Ebay auction where they purchased the raw cards was posted. The PSA bulk submission thread here on this board where they submitted the cards was also listed.

Getting an autograph authenticated is just getting an opinion. It doesn't prove anything one way or the other. JSA and BAS are more trustworthy than PSA, but all three authenticators are known to let through fakes, secretarial signatures, and autopens.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

OK but the logic escapes me

I get it authenticated by one of the top 3 authenticators in the business and you say it may be fake

If I didn't get it authenticated and since I got it TTM people would say it may be fake

Can I win in any situation here?

And the evidence link you provide was an instance of case switching by the owner. The PSA # is legit but someone opened the case and switched out the authentic card for a fake probably to sell and keep the original. That's what we call in the biz.... a scam.

carp1333 (a member here) bought the cards in a lot, and submitted them to psa. was not a case swap at all

[VinnyH]

Just saw this on their message board...
The Jason Alexander full bleed card (#A25) is the rarest of all the cards with 1 in every 6 packs. With 300 packs in existence that's only 50 cards.



Nice to know,
Vinny

[Zeldafanatic15]

Originally Posted by VinnyH

Just saw this on their message board...
The Jason Alexander full bleed card (#A25) is the rarest of all the cards with 1 in every 6 packs. With 300 packs in existence that's only 50 cards.



Nice to know,
Vinny

Ian pulled one in his 2 pack group break. Pretty lucky, so 49 now.

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[Cubby5454]

Originally Posted by VinnyH

Just saw this on their message board...
The Jason Alexander full bleed card (#A25) is the rarest of all the cards with 1 in every 6 packs. With 300 packs in existence that's only 50 cards.



Nice to know,
Vinny

Just because only 50 were inserted into packs does not mean there are only 50 in existence.

[Findingtime]

Originally Posted by Cubby5454

Just got this in an e-mail from Steve at Rittenhouse....



"It’s come to my attention that The Orville Archives – Autograph Card Edition includes cards signed by Seth MacFarlane with an auto-pen. We regret not catching this before the packs were shipped out, and we completely understand the concerns that customers have with cards signed in this way. We are working on a solution to this situation and expect to have more guidance and direction for you shortly. We appreciate your understanding and patience."

Someone made an interesting point on their forums. I wonder why no pictures of this set were released on their website or Facebook?

Did anyone see photos of this before the release, like every other set they do?

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[glen87]

even still - no "official" checklist at all.

very odd release

[Findingtime]

Originally Posted by glen87

even still - no "official" checklist at all.

very odd release

Yep. It's almost like they knew and didn't care.

Too bad. I wasn't thrilled with the GoT complete release and now this.

And they are rushing to get another GoT set out in a few months....

[TheDude1138]

Also need to take into consideration of the advancements in auto pen technology. Ozzy sent out his last album with at least 3 or 4 variant auto pen signatures.

As far as the big three and authentication is concerned I'm not sure which one is the whore or the trick but they are definitely in bed with the card manufacturers.

Originally Posted by VinnyH

I'm not an expert with PhotoShop but here's a basic check on the top middle Seth shown in the post above.

I took the sig, separated it as a new layer then pasted in into the first Seth card from that group of 6. As I moved it down onto the first sig, it matched in size exactly except for the line crossing in his "S". (the second image here is sig from middle Seth over the one on the top left)

There are always ways secretaries can alter autopens slightly by accident and on purpose.That line means nothing with 99% of his sig matching. You can substitute a Flair pen for a Sharpie in the arm of an autopen machine. There are dozens of variations possible. Research JFK's secretary and autopens to see how she manipulated things.

IMHO,
Vinny

[tier1dc]

Originally Posted by Cubby5454

Just got this in an e-mail from Steve at Rittenhouse....

"It’s come to my attention that The Orville Archives – Autograph Card Edition includes cards signed by Seth MacFarlane with an auto-pen. We regret not catching this before the packs were shipped out, and we completely understand the concerns that customers have with cards signed in this way. We are working on a solution to this situation and expect to have more guidance and direction for you shortly. We appreciate your understanding and patience."

Seth is a real a$$hole because of this, what a bad look.

[cardbooker]

I remember being so excited for the Family Guy book at SDCC, because it had a bonus Seth MacFarlane autograph. Then I saw that every auto was exactly the same on Ebay. So glad I didn't buy it. I'll never trust another Seth auto.

[Malavon]

So the Seth MacFarlane situation is unfortunate, but after opening my 2 packs tonight I was still really happy with the release. 13 Bridge Crew autographs (no duplicates, 12 excluding Seth), Tim Russ, Robert Piccardo, and Jason Alexander. If you are a fan of the show this is still worth picking up; a trove of great autographs for less than the cost of a case.

I believe they need to be held accountable for the auto-pen situation and fix it, but there are still a lot of other really good cards here.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1427096

[DontToewsMeBro]

Originally Posted by tier1dc

Seth is a real a$$hole because of this, what a bad look.

I wonder if he even knows?

Could have been some idiot lackey at a PR firm doing this.

Cryptozoic had the same issue with Katie Cassidy in an Arrow release where her autos were all autopenned. Cassidy admitted this on her instagram and apologized saying she had no idea. She then signed cards on-video and Cryptozoic distributed them to those who wanted to exchange.

I would hope, perhaps, Seth would do the same in this situation.

[natbornkiller]

michaela mcmanus AUTOS LOOK AUTO PENNED TOO

[tier1dc]

Originally Posted by natbornkiller

michaela mcmanus AUTOS LOOK AUTO PENNED TOO

really? what a mess.

[Malavon]

Originally Posted by natbornkiller

michaela mcmanus AUTOS LOOK AUTO PENNED TOO

I just checked my two autographs - clean and consistent autograph style but definitely not an auto pen.

[DontToewsMeBro]

Originally Posted by natbornkiller

michaela mcmanus AUTOS LOOK AUTO PENNED TOO

They are not
I checked her auto I have from Vampire Diaries set and it's very similar - she just replicates her auto very well by hand

[VinnyH]

Originally Posted by DontToewsMeBro

They are not
I checked her auto I have from Vampire Diaries set and it's very similar - she just replicates her auto very well by hand

Her's reminds me of Charlie Gehringer a baseball Hall of Famer. His autograph was always neat and straight. Not sure but some people write while placing a ruler down to keep things straight. It's an old teacher trick when teaching penmanship, a long lost art.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by Malavon

I just checked my two autographs - clean and consistent autograph style but definitely not an auto pen.

they are extremely consistent, but you can find subtle differences if you look close enough. i will post my 2 side by side and show some.

[glen87]

these are both mine. one came from the ifish73 break and the other from CavalierCards.



at first i really thought they were as well. but too many small inconsistencies in them.