Which cards are only going down? Anti hype thread

[bberns]

Here's some food for thought.

Age 19 season PER (IMO the single most predictive stat for non-center superstars):

Doncic - 19.2
Kobe - 18.5
LeBron - 18.3
Carmelo - 17.6
Durant - 15.8
Tatum - 15.3
Barrett - 10.7

Don't forget Zion - 24.2!!!!!

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by bberns

Here's some food for thought.

Age 19 season PER (IMO the single most predictive stat for non-center superstars):

Barrett - 10.7

[Donkaylove]

Originally Posted by bberns

Here's some food for thought.

Age 19 season PER (IMO the single most predictive stat for non-center superstars):

Doncic - 19.2
Kobe - 18.5
LeBron - 18.3
Carmelo - 17.6
Durant - 15.8
Tatum - 15.3
Barrett - 10.7

Don't forget Zion - 24.2!!!!!

honestly stats are losing momentumand prestige in this modern ymca league, see westbrook,,

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Donkaylove

honestly stats are losing momentumand prestige in this modern ymca league, see westbrook,,

I think PER is a good metric for painting the overall picture of a player. There are very few rare exceptions (primarily centers) where PER stats may be skewed....Boban, Montrezl to name a few. Else, you'll typically see the cream of the crop at the top, and the meh talents at the bottom.


10 is pretty glaring, and goes back to his efficiency issues. He filled up the stat sheet, but not in an impactful way. Not saying he doesn't have potential for improvement, but his rookie season numbers may be a bit misleading.


That said, I'm not selling what I have pulled. Because not much makes sense in this hobby anymore when dudes like Troy Brown Jr. get hyped. Definitely not holding RJ medium to long term though.

[bberns]

Originally Posted by Donkaylove

honestly stats are losing momentumand prestige in this modern ymca league, see westbrook,,

This isn't about momentum or prestige - just a useful tool for figuring out who can actually ball and who cannot.

[TraderJake]

Trae Young. At a certain point he will have to figure out how to contribute to winning basketball or the offensive stats alone wont carry him

[tyrith]

Plus Barrett doesn’t have a lot of great non scoring skills, which the hobby doesn’t directly care about but which are important to winning, which the hobby does care about.

I’d also dump Tyler Herro, but he has more routes to being part of a championship team than I perceive for Barrett.

Hard disagree on the AD talk earlier in the thread - he has a conceivable route to being Finals MVP this year, there’s at least some upside there. He’s also already close to a lock for the HOF someday, with what will be four All NBA teams after this year and an NCAA title. Plus he might be a Laker for another 12 years. He’s got a pretty high floor at this point.

[mkebuckscollect]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I think PER is a good metric for painting the overall picture of a player. There are very few rare exceptions (primarily centers) where PER stats may be skewed....Boban, Montrezl to name a few. Else, you'll typically see the cream of the crop at the top, and the meh talents at the bottom.

Ahem, I will not tolerate this Trez slander!

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by mkebuckscollect

Ahem, I will not tolerate this Trez slander!

[whoaitsg33]

Originally Posted by bberns

Here's some food for thought.

Age 19 season PER (IMO the single most predictive stat for non-center superstars):

Doncic - 19.2
Kobe - 18.5
LeBron - 18.3
Carmelo - 17.6
Durant - 15.8
Tatum - 15.3
Barrett - 10.7

Don't forget Zion - 24.2!!!!!

i dont think anyone really thinks RBJ will reach that tier tbh. seems like he’s a 2nd or 3rd guy at best.


players below had an awful, if not worse rookie seasons than rbj. in hindsight though. these rookie underachievers ended up with MVP’s FMVP, were part of championship teams and made multiple All stars appearances.

siakam -11.5
brandon ingram -8.5
steve nash -10.8
draymond green- 7.1
tony parker- 11.7
allan houston- 9.0

[Jopeal]

Giannis 10.8

[whoaitsg33]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Giannis 10.8

and1^


also bucks fans during the 2013 nba draft

[PFF100]

Originally Posted by bmf

grant hill has a large following of hungry, passionate collectors. i don't see that one at all.

Yeah, especially his Duke uni autos. Those sell pretty well


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[jcmel323]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

good one

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by PFF100

Yeah, especially his Duke uni autos. Those sell pretty well


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Interesting.

Gotta wonder where these will be at in 2 to 10 years time.

Grant Hill had a full career but what season was he even known for? I think his 2nd or 3rd year was his best.

I just don't see him gaining any collectors, only lose them.

90s inserts and parallels are a different beast.

[ovrcollect]

Coby White
Tyler Herro
MPJ
RJ Barrett
Shai

and only because of where their prices are now:
Ja Morant
Jaren Jackson Jr

[RyanMW]

Kevin Knox. Allonzo Trier. RJ Barrett if he stays. The Knicks are a goddamn dumpster fire.

[dennythedinosau]

Originally Posted by ovrcollect

Coby White

I agree on Herro. Still think he will be a very good player, just not a superstar.

Disagree on Coby White. He really turned it up right before the season got suspended and I can see him being the 3rd best player from this draft (possibly better than Ja?). He's young and exciting to watch and improved over the course of the season.

Of course, he has a terrible coach but I think the Bulls sooner rather than later will figure out that they should build around Coby rather than Zach Lavine or Lauri Markkanen.

[Shan95]

What a depressing thread lol


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[thefranchise3]

Originally Posted by dennythedinosau

I agree on Herro. Still think he will be a very good player, just not a superstar.

Disagree on Coby White. He really turned it up right before the season got suspended and I can see him being the 3rd best player from this draft (possibly better than Ja?). He's young and exciting to watch and improved over the course of the season.

Of course, he has a terrible coach but I think the Bulls sooner rather than later will figure out that they should build around Coby rather than Zach Lavine or Lauri Markkanen.

I’m a huge Bulls and Coby White fan. As high as I am on him, he needs to be more consistent. The highs are super high as evident by his 3 straight 30 point games, but the lows are super low (35% FG in November, 37% FG in December). He’s clearly getting better however.

His game and play style is very hobby friendly as long as he improves his jump shot. He reminds me of a mix between Lou Williams/Leandro Barbosa/Bobby Jackson, with a peak of a prime Gilbert Arenas.

His prices are a bit higher than I like at the moment, but should fall a little due to him not being in the bubble. I think he’s one of those players where his price will fluctuate quite a bit based on his streakiness.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by tyrith

Plus Barrett doesn’t have a lot of great non scoring skills, which the hobby doesn’t directly care about but which are important to winning, which the hobby does care about.

I’d also dump Tyler Herro, but he has more routes to being part of a championship team than I perceive for Barrett.

Hard disagree on the AD talk earlier in the thread - he has a conceivable route to being Finals MVP this year, there’s at least some upside there. He’s also already close to a lock for the HOF someday, with what will be four All NBA teams after this year and an NCAA title. Plus he might be a Laker for another 12 years. He’s got a pretty high floor at this point.

AD also is number 2 in Player Efficiency Rating in active players behind only LeBron James. His career totals in scoring are massive vs games played, he’s going to be passing some big names on the all time list when it’s all said and done. Blocks and rebounds totals are also quite impressive.

The dude is like Giannis, he’s just a physical force to be reckoned with. He’s always been a beast, the only difference is that now that he’s on the Lakers, his talent isn’t going to go unappreciated. His cards will do nothing but rise.


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[k13]

Try selling 99% of rookies from 5 years ago or more...

Or your typical auto/jersey cards.
Even if its shaq/duncan....not even $10 for their game used jersey.

What did bojan bogdnovic and jabari parker NT /99 used to sell for?
That will be the future for 99% of investments.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

AD also is number 2 in Player Efficiency Rating in active players behind only LeBron James. His career totals in scoring are massive vs games played, he’s going to be passing some big names on the all time list when it’s all said and done. Blocks and rebounds totals are also quite impressive.

The dude is like Giannis, he’s just a physical force to be reckoned with. He’s always been a beast, the only difference is that now that he’s on the Lakers, his talent isn’t going to go unappreciated. His cards will do nothing but rise.


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Whilst I agree with most of this and believe AD is gonna go up and up. I think the biggest difference between him and Gianiis, Giannis goes out and looks to really dominate each game. AD seems to let the game come to him more. He needs a little more toughness and killer instinct. I'm sure we'll see it soon enough as the stakes get higher.

[Looking4Luka]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Whilst I agree with most of this and believe AD is gonna go up and up. I think the biggest difference between him and Gianiis, Giannis goes out and looks to really dominate each game. AD seems to let the game come to him more. He needs a little more toughness and killer instinct. I'm sure we'll see it soon enough as the stakes get higher.

Good luck. I buy LeBron. You can buy the 2nd fiddle.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Whilst I agree with most of this and believe AD is gonna go up and up. I think the biggest difference between him and Gianiis, Giannis goes out and looks to really dominate each game. AD seems to let the game come to him more. He needs a little more toughness and killer instinct. I'm sure we'll see it soon enough as the stakes get higher.

True, they are stylistically different for sure. I think their greatest similarity is that they both have a combination of size/athleticism that simply overpowers opponents. I would LOVE to see them square off with each other.


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