Patrick Mahomes Prices - Page 4

SirTommyWinAlot · 12-06-2018, 03:49 AM

Mahomes is the NFL's version of Mike Trout. "5 Tool" kind of guy who can do it all plus is likeable and humble. If he's throwing 40+ td's a year his first several years his cards are going to have a similar ascension.

edisto · 12-06-2018, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SirTommyWinAlot

Mahomes is the NFL's version of Mike Trout. "5 Tool" kind of guy who can do it all plus is likeable and humble. If he's throwing 40+ td's a year his first several years his cards are going to have a similar ascension.

Hope you're right.
Or he could be this generation's Michael Vick, or Kaepernick or even Marino (who never won a Super Bowl).

PSA SLAB KING · 12-06-2018, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SirTommyWinAlot

Mahomes is the NFL's version of Mike Trout. "5 Tool" kind of guy who can do it all plus is likeable and humble. If he's throwing 40+ td's a year his first several years his cards are going to have a similar ascension.

Agree with this. Likeable kid from a good family. Confident but not cocky

twisty571 · 12-06-2018, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by edisto

Hope you're right.
Or he could be this generation's Michael Vick, or Kaepernick or even Marino (who never won a Super Bowl).

I am not a Marino fan but to lump him with those guys is laughable at best. Marino owned most of the passing records until Manning/Brady/Brees came along. As I have said for other QB's though is sometimes it just might be the team letting the QB down and even though I am not a Marino fan this was the case for 1/2 his career or more. I like Mahomes but you guys remember Watson was doing this last year until he got hurt? How did his prices fair after that? Or how about Andrew Luck?

majestik101 · 12-06-2018, 02:15 PM

Let's slow our roll. Marino? Seriously? Mahomes isn't at Marino's level yet. Marino is an all-time great who is in the hall of fame. Maybe in a few years, Mahomes will get there, but that's waaaaaaaaaay down the line

edisto · 12-06-2018, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by majestik101

Let's slow our roll. Marino? Seriously? Mahomes isn't at Marino's level yet. Marino is an all-time great who is in the hall of fame. Maybe in a few years, Mahomes will get there, but that's waaaaaaaaaay down the line

I completely agree with you; It will be a long time before Mahomes is a Marino. Just read the post and quote. It was a response to someone comparing him to Trout if Mahomes keeps throwing 40+ td's a year.

salthill · 12-06-2018, 02:45 PM

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Marino owned most of the passing records until the NFL changed the rules and Manning/Brady/Brees came along.

Added some shade

jasonm2121 · 12-06-2018, 03:43 PM

We will all look back in 5 years at how cheap his cards were in 2018. Mark it.

deemsterz33 · 12-06-2018, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by twisty571

I am not a Marino fan but to lump him with those guys is laughable at best. Marino owned most of the passing records until Manning/Brady/Brees came along. As I have said for other QB's though is sometimes it just might be the team letting the QB down and even though I am not a Marino fan this was the case for 1/2 his career or more. I like Mahomes but you guys remember Watson was doing this last year until he got hurt? How did his prices fair after that? Or how about Andrew Luck?

Not sure how bringing up guys who's hobby appeal got derailed by injury is relevant. Luck and Watson would be big $$ right now if that wasn't the case. Anyone can get hurt at any time, it's irrelevant to how you choose to invest.

twisty571 · 12-06-2018, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Not sure how bringing up guys who's hobby appeal got derailed by injury is relevant. Luck and Watson would be big $$ right now if that wasn't the case. Anyone can get hurt at any time, it's irrelevant to how you choose to invest.

My point being is Watson is actually having a good year and last year was playing as good as Mahomes is this year and all it took was that injury to watch his cards take a down turn. For Mahomes to not have won anything yet and his NT selling for $10K is insane to me. But I am no better as with most cards they all take a dive eventually

How do his prices fair if the Chiefs are bounced out their 1st playoff game and Mahomes has a bad game? I really have no dog in the fight. I have a couple Mahomes I got cheap, one was $15dlvd and the last one of it sold for $75BIN last I looked.

RogerGodahell · 12-06-2018, 07:13 PM

I think he is really good and had a great season. But i also think a big reason he's been so successful is KC scheme and disguises on offense. What i mean by that is they run a lot of trick plays that aren't traditional. I haven't seen every one of his games but iv'e watched a few, 3 or 4. They have some real speedsters with Hill who can make a lot of things happen if he just gets the ball in his hands. Kelce is pretty good also. When i've seen him play the traditional role without the gimmicky offense he hasn't been as good from what i've seen. We'll have to see how other teams adapt after this season and there's more tape on them. If he can put together another year or two in a row like this season then i'll be a believer. But we've seen countless guys do great and then have a sharp drop off.

deemsterz33 · 12-06-2018, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by twisty571

My point being is Watson is actually having a good year and last year was playing as good as Mahomes is this year and all it took was that injury to watch his cards take a down turn. For Mahomes to not have won anything yet and his NT selling for $10K is insane to me. But I am no better as with most cards they all take a dive eventually

How do his prices fair if the Chiefs are bounced out their 1st playoff game and Mahomes has a bad game? I really have no dog in the fight. I have a couple Mahomes I got cheap, one was $15dlvd and the last one of it sold for $75BIN last I looked.

The Texans are having a good year. Watson is having a mediocre year, especially considering his season last year. As stated above, he's become a game manager putting up Alex Smith/Joe Flacco type stats this season.

Also, there's a Mahomes NT /99 sitting at $4999 OBO on eBay, not $10K. You're misleading, or being misled.

deemsterz33 · 12-06-2018, 07:54 PM

Do you guys think there's any postseason succes baked into his prices, or could a SB appearance spike prices even more?

cardsharkk · 12-06-2018, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Do you guys think there's any postseason succes baked into his prices, or could a SB appearance spike prices even more?

CAN YOU IMAGINE with his historic 1st season, Mahomes knocking off Brady to go to Superbowl- We all witness the Torch getting passed from the goat Brady to Mahomes... I get chills thinking about it- If that happens prices will explode-

jrpgsxr · 12-06-2018, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

The Texans are having a good year. Watson is having a mediocre year, especially considering his season last year. As stated above, he's become a game manager putting up Alex Smith/Joe Flacco type stats this season.

Also, there's a Mahomes NT /99 sitting at $4999 OBO on eBay, not $10K. You're misleading, or being misled.

There's a slight difference between a PSA 10 NT vs. a raw NT I think....

ninjacookies · 12-06-2018, 08:06 PM

He's obviously going to keep averaging 50+ td's a year for the next 10 years with zero regression with a few super bowls sprinkled in (7 or 8, imo).

Definitely not going to suffer the same fate as Carr, Luck, Wentz, Watson, Dak, Winston, Kaepernick, or Jimmy GQ.

Pinky swear.

Strong buy for me.

deemsterz33 · 12-06-2018, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

He's obviously going to keep averaging 50+ td's a year for the next 10 years with zero regression with a few super bowls sprinkled in (7 or 8, imo).

Definitely not going to suffer the same fate as Carr, Luck, Wentz, Watson, Dak, Winston, Kaepernick, or Jimmy GQ.

Pinky swear.

Strong buy for me.

Agreed he's not a strong buy right now, but probably still has the most hobby upside of anyone in the league other than Goff imo.

twisty571 · 12-06-2018, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

The Texans are having a good year. Watson is having a mediocre year, especially considering his season last year. As stated above, he's become a game manager putting up Alex Smith/Joe Flacco type stats this season.

Also, there's a Mahomes NT /99 sitting at $4999 OBO on eBay, not $10K. You're misleading, or being misled.

Someone posted one that did $8k and mentioned another at $10k but maybe I read it wrong.

ninjacookies · 12-06-2018, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Agreed he's not a strong buy right now, but probably still has the most hobby upside of anyone in the league other than Goff imo.

I don't consider it hobby upside when rpa's are 5k or more.

I consider upside being 2x+ ROI on low to mid priced guys that haven't already set the bar unrealistically high for themselves and have ample room for growth.

I kind of feel the MVP is already factored in.

Don't get me wrong, if he can manage a super bowl victory this year, things will get crazy. Would I take those odds myself? Not really.

deemsterz33 · 12-06-2018, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I don't consider it hobby upside when rpa's are 5k or more.

I consider upside being 2x+ ROI on low to mid priced guys that haven't already set the bar unrealistically high for themselves and have ample room for growth.

I kind of feel the MVP is already factored in.

Don't get me wrong, if he can manage a super bowl victory this year, things will get crazy. Would I take those odds myself? Not really.

I think there's actually more room for growth on his low-mid end autos. Nice on-card stuff can be found for $300-350.

ninjacookies · 12-06-2018, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

I think there's actually more room for growth on his low-mid end autos. Nice on-card stuff can be found for $300-350.

Too rich for my blood, but I wish anyone luck if they do choose to invest.

One extended stretch of bad play, losing streak, or injury tweak and it will get ugly.

But I do hope he continues killing it and defies the hobby odds.

He's fun to watch.

Rjk214 · 12-06-2018, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Not sure how bringing up guys who's hobby appeal got derailed by injury is relevant. Luck and Watson would be big $$ right now if that wasn't the case. Anyone can get hurt at any time, it's irrelevant to how you choose to invest.

Luck is what a Top 7-12 QB in the league. His prices were tremendously inflated to start with. People paid wayyy too much and they won’t take a bath on them. They are probably worth honestly 20-30% of what they started at.

jasonm2121 · 12-06-2018, 09:16 PM

If one wants to spend over $10K, it should be spent on Mike Trout or Connor McDavid.

deemsterz33 · 12-06-2018, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rjk214

Luck is what a Top 7-12 QB in the league. His prices were tremendously inflated to start with. People paid wayyy too much and they won’t take a bath on them. They are probably worth honestly 20-30% of what they started at.

Andrew Luck is going on 30 Y/O, missed an entire season last year, and most importantly, up until several months ago it was thought that his career was over. That's a lot to bounce back from hobby-wise. His cards are worth about 50% of where they were at his peak btw.

Rjk214 · 12-06-2018, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Andrew Luck is going on 30 Y/O, missed an entire season last year, and most importantly, up until several months ago it was thought that his career was over. That's a lot to bounce back from hobby-wise. His cards are worth about 50% of where they were at his peak btw.

They are only “worth” that still because people don’t want to take the bath on them.. They are probably only truly worth 20-30% of the peaks if I had to guess.

You couldn’t pay me to pay 50% of what they were at peaks right now. But that’s just me.

12-06-2018, 03:49 AM	#76
SirTommyWinAlot Banned Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Gillette Stadium/Foxboro Posts: 6,545	Mahomes is the NFL's version of Mike Trout. "5 Tool" kind of guy who can do it all plus is likeable and humble. If he's throwing 40+ td's a year his first several years his cards are going to have a similar ascension.

12-06-2018, 02:15 PM	#80
majestik101 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 42,274 majestik101	Let's slow our roll. Marino? Seriously? Mahomes isn't at Marino's level yet. Marino is an all-time great who is in the hall of fame. Maybe in a few years, Mahomes will get there, but that's waaaaaaaaaay down the line

12-06-2018, 03:43 PM	#83
jasonm2121 Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: GOAT City Posts: 11,996	We will all look back in 5 years at how cheap his cards were in 2018. Mark it.

12-06-2018, 07:13 PM	#86
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	I think he is really good and had a great season. But i also think a big reason he's been so successful is KC scheme and disguises on offense. What i mean by that is they run a lot of trick plays that aren't traditional. I haven't seen every one of his games but iv'e watched a few, 3 or 4. They have some real speedsters with Hill who can make a lot of things happen if he just gets the ball in his hands. Kelce is pretty good also. When i've seen him play the traditional role without the gimmicky offense he hasn't been as good from what i've seen. We'll have to see how other teams adapt after this season and there's more tape on them. If he can put together another year or two in a row like this season then i'll be a believer. But we've seen countless guys do great and then have a sharp drop off.

12-06-2018, 07:54 PM	#88
deemsterz33 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,856 phunkified	Do you guys think there's any postseason succes baked into his prices, or could a SB appearance spike prices even more?

12-06-2018, 08:06 PM	#91
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,479	He's obviously going to keep averaging 50+ td's a year for the next 10 years with zero regression with a few super bowls sprinkled in (7 or 8, imo). Definitely not going to suffer the same fate as Carr, Luck, Wentz, Watson, Dak, Winston, Kaepernick, or Jimmy GQ. Pinky swear. Strong buy for me.

12-06-2018, 09:16 PM	#98
jasonm2121 Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: GOAT City Posts: 11,996	If one wants to spend over $10K, it should be spent on Mike Trout or Connor McDavid.