Ohtani ain't carrying crap.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

You really just compared Nellie Fox to Altuve? How many Batting Titles did Fox have? How many times has Fox led the Majors in hits? Trust me I think Trout is by far the best investment to make.
But to compare Altuve to Fox and the “one MVP” is crazy. By the way I guess Fox compares to Hank Aaron too since he only won one MVP. Bryce Harper too. Fox must be better than Jeter too since Jeter never won an MVP.


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Nellie Fox is a HOFer and finished in the top 10 for AL MVP 7 times.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Don’t confuse being the best player, vs having the best season, they can be different.

[VeedonFleece]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

True, but no one paid you millions in guaranteed money to take that failed drivers test.

How many millions is Ohtani guaranteed?

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by Chicosbailbonds

Nellie Fox is a HOFer and finished in the top 10 for AL MVP 7 times.

Ok so what’s the point? If Fox is a HOF why use him to in a way water down what Altuve has done? Obviously Trout has better trajectory towards being one of the top 10 All-time. I simply made a point Trout (as of the end of 2017) is/was not the best player in baseball. Had he not gotten hurt, he may have won another MVP. I’m sure Trout would trade his MVPs for a WS. Ohtani was supposed to be another piece to help Trout. He could b good, but that remains to be seen.


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[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by Chicosbailbonds

Don’t confuse being the best player, vs having the best season, they can be different.

Dude if you think Altuve has had only one good season then you clearly do not pay attention to baseball.


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[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by VeedonFleece

How many millions is Ohtani guaranteed?

Think he got a 2.3M bonus at signing


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[VeedonFleece]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Think he got a 2.3M bonus at signing

So, peanuts. That would get you a month of Alex Cobb.

[base set]

Originally Posted by VeedonFleece

So, peanuts. That would get you a month of Alex Cobb.

Or maybe one week of Rusney Castillo

[Dbacksbaseball]

Its comical watching the hobby become so disjointed.

A guy has a few bad innings and spring and is the biggest bust----why?

Well because your favorite hobby, isn't a hobby any more. Its devolved into a gamble with longer odds then the slot machine or a scratch off.

Everyone forgets that 17 Heritage and GQ were an experiment to see if people would continue to pay crazy prices. Again...everyone forgets those products and crazy mark ups were pre Judge breakout.

I recently quoted a post I made last year in the Heritage thread. It said something along the lines of once we go to this place of paying crazy prices, we don't go back. The blowout mob hit me hard on that. Fast Forward look what happened this year.... its a group breaking game now and all these guys that don't have 250k's or hit .300 with 55 bombs are going to be serviceable baseball players but aren't going to get you the $180 back on a box that should be $60.

[WalterAZ31]

this reeks of a "whaaaa, i havent pulled any of his autos to flip for bills yet" type of thread

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Its comical watching the hobby become so disjointed.

A guy has a few bad innings and spring and is the biggest bust----why?

Well because your favorite hobby, isn't a hobby any more. Its devolved into a gamble with longer odds then the slot machine or a scratch off.

Everyone forgets that 17 Heritage and GQ were an experiment to see if people would continue to pay crazy prices. Again...everyone forgets those products and crazy mark ups were pre Judge breakout.

I recently quoted a post I made last year in the Heritage thread. It said something along the lines of once we go to this place of paying crazy prices, we don't go back. The blowout mob hit me hard on that. Fast Forward look what happened this year.... its a group breaking game now and all these guys that don't have 250k's or hit .300 with 55 bombs are going to be serviceable baseball players but aren't going to get you the $180 back on a box that should be $60.

not everyone. 2017 H low number boxes were readily available in the 75 range when released. sure the 25% increase in SPs pissed off a lot of us collectors, but this years release started out at 125, which is horse poop.

yea, people can pre-order, but that's stupid

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

not everyone. 2017 H low number boxes were readily available in the 75 range when released. sure the 25% increase in SPs pissed off a lot of us collectors, but this years release started out at 125, which is horse poop.

yea, people can pre-order, but that's stupid

At release case prices of 17 low number were over 1k. They were readily available to preorder for a while at the 800-900 mark. But about 1-2 months out they crept up and kept creeping. Go back and look at that 17 LN thread people make mention of it going up A TON.

It's a grab a couple packs of retail here and there kinda year!

[sbib]

My main concern is that Wax prices will be ridiculous for those that normally open and build sets - will be interesting to see as the year goes on - too early to tell if he will be good, based on a spring training in a new country

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by houdini

In a thread chock full of foolishness, that statement still stands out.

Talk about picking and choosing a quote magic man. I may have worded it wrong but most people that bought into Judge early made money, the same will not be true about Ohtani.

[Chicosbailbonds]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Ok so what’s the point? If Fox is a HOF why use him to in a way water down what Altuve has done? Obviously Trout has better trajectory towards being one of the top 10 All-time. I simply made a point Trout (as of the end of 2017) is/was not the best player in baseball. Had he not gotten hurt, he may have won another MVP. I’m sure Trout would trade his MVPs for a WS. Ohtani was supposed to be another piece to help Trout. He could b good, but that remains to be seen.


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Seriously how did I use Fox to water down Altuve? You posted that Altuve was the best player based on his MVP and I said Trout was. Trout finished top 4 even though he missed 40 games, probably finishes top 2 if he wasn't injured. My point is most GM's wouldn't trade Trout straight up for Altuve. I hope Altuve wins 5 more MVPs.

(FTR, I'm not trading Bryant SU for Altuve either)

[mwash1983]

Expect a 20% drop after this dumpster fire appearance today. Guy is getting up like a Christmas Tree, Hideki Irabu 2.0

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Its comical watching the hobby become so disjointed.

A guy has a few bad innings and spring and is the biggest bust----why?

Well because your favorite hobby, isn't a hobby any more. Its devolved into a gamble with longer odds then the slot machine or a scratch off.

Everyone forgets that 17 Heritage and GQ were an experiment to see if people would continue to pay crazy prices. Again...everyone forgets those products and crazy mark ups were pre Judge breakout.

I recently quoted a post I made last year in the Heritage thread. It said something along the lines of once we go to this place of paying crazy prices, we don't go back. The blowout mob hit me hard on that. Fast Forward look what happened this year.... its a group breaking game now and all these guys that don't have 250k's or hit .300 with 55 bombs are going to be serviceable baseball players but aren't going to get you the $180 back on a box that should be $60.

This stopped being a hobby a long time ago. This has become a business for the majority of the people here

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Its comical watching the hobby become so disjointed.

A guy has a few bad innings and spring and is the biggest bust----why?

Well because your favorite hobby, isn't a hobby any more. Its devolved into a gamble with longer odds then the slot machine or a scratch off.

Everyone forgets that 17 Heritage and GQ were an experiment to see if people would continue to pay crazy prices. Again...everyone forgets those products and crazy mark ups were pre Judge breakout.

I recently quoted a post I made last year in the Heritage thread. It said something along the lines of once we go to this place of paying crazy prices, we don't go back. The blowout mob hit me hard on that. Fast Forward look what happened this year.... its a group breaking game now and all these guys that don't have 250k's or hit .300 with 55 bombs are going to be serviceable baseball players but aren't going to get you the $180 back on a box that should be $60.

You know you're really confident in your 'investment' when you have to create a new thread bashing the latest hype train like he's the worst prospect in decades after....spring training.

I never pray for anyone's downfall, but it will be a BO exodus of epic proportions if Judge has a sophomore slump this year. The judgeheads are quickly approaching Patriot type levels of intolerable reads.

[Cavaliercards]

Love Ohtani and am glad he is here this season, it is great for baseball and their products.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Ohtani collectors:

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

You know you're really confident in your 'investment' when you have to create a new thread bashing the latest hype train like he's the worst prospect in decades after....spring training.

I never pray for anyone's downfall, but it will be a BO exodus of epic proportions if Judge has a sophomore slump this year. The judgeheads are quickly approaching Patriot type levels of intolerable reads.

Not the worst prospect in decades by far. I honestly don't know, has any other prospects red auto in heritage been 5k on release? Was Bryant?

[stellablue]

Out of curiosity, does anyone remember how Ichiro's first MLB spring training went? I can't remember and couldn't find those stats.

[houdini]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

Talk about picking and choosing a quote magic man. I may have worded it wrong but most people that bought into Judge early made money, the same will not be true about Ohtani.

Did I misquote you?

Even your new version makes no sense. Is early 2013 on Judge or 2017? Anyone buying Judge from 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and much of 2017 had every opportunity to make a lot of money

Ohtani had his first Bowman card last year and there have been many people making a great deal on Ohtani already.

He may be a bust - way too early for anyone to know - but he is no fraud.

[djdevon]

Sure is a lot of Ohtani hatred on this board and the guy hasn't played a single major league game yet. I can read between the lines here. All of the disgruntled people are simply mad because they don't want to pay the price to play the game. This reluctance to pay can be broken down into a few categories:

Set builders who didn't pre-order even though they knew they should if their goal was to set build. It doesn't matter who is on the checklist does it?

Collectors who like a player other than Ohtani. Now they can't roll the dice so cheaply to get a shot at their prospect. But I guarantee no prospect's base gem auto card will cost more than a hobby case. Well, except maybe Ohtanis if he performs.

Lastly, people who just plain are jealous of people who locked in early and are standing to make a significant profit if they choose to resell at today's prices. Just sour grapes of the worst kind here. They can't admit they are mad at themselves for missing the boat and instead blame Ohtani.

But if Ohtani is so bad, why doesn't the price go down?

[ThoseBackPages]

i wont lie, i miss opening heritage, but it is what it is