Can we finally be honest about Lonzo Ball? - Page 4

zinger1038 · 11-16-2017, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

What about the wide open ones?

Back to back plays last night had him almost banking in a 3, and then clanking another 3 barely off the side of the rim.

To me the wide open ones are a matter of confidence. I think he can and should knock those down. My point was that under even the slightest defensive pressure, his shots are way off, or worse, he can't even shoot without getting blocked.

rman112 · 11-16-2017, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Just saying...

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/1...markelle-fultz

Yes, let's take 76 minutes through 4 games of a guy that shouldn't have been on the court in the first place.

rman112 · 11-16-2017, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zinger1038

To me the wide open ones are a matter of confidence. I think he can and should knock those down. My point was that under even the slightest defensive pressure, his shots are way off, or worse, he can't even shoot without getting blocked.

I don't think there's any doubt that his confidence is shot.

With not getting his shots off.. his release seems to take forever. Seems like his whole game is filtered through molasses.

duwal · 11-16-2017, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by indyguy

And? Players can't adapt and work on their game? He isn't a finished product.

Hell, Giannis averaged 5 points and 3 rebounds a game after 15 games. He couldn't even get on the floor some nights...

That is a different scenario though. Giannis shot 50% (31 for 62) from the field his first 15 games and he was only coming off the bench. 0 starts in his first 15 games and only averaged 16 minutes a game during that span. Giannis didn't struggle at all like Lonzo did shooting his at the start of his career

darscards35kd · 11-16-2017, 05:53 PM

Saw this posted on Twitter
"Ben Simmons could miss his next 134 shots and still have a higher FG% than Lonzo."

Tones · 11-16-2017, 06:03 PM

Tatum will be the best player out of this draft class.

Pathora · 11-16-2017, 07:07 PM

I like Tatum, Dennis Smith, or Mitchell (he's been much better over last 10 games averaging 19 ppg on 43% shooting, not an awesome percentage but better than the Lonzo like shooting he had earlier).

Kuzma seems like a really good player but I'm not sure if he'll ever be a superstar...I like D'Aaron Fox but Sacramento is trying the weird tough love start veterans strategy and it isn't working out.

I'm selling any Lonzo prizm parallels I get, I don't think he's very good...the absolute ceiling he has is Jason Kidd imo and he has no hobby love, even LA can't save that long term.

asujbl · 11-16-2017, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Yes, let's take 76 minutes through 4 games of a guy that shouldn't have been on the court in the first place.

Well I wrote the article so....

rman112 · 11-16-2017, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Well I wrote the article so....

Your article stinks!

dherm360 · 11-16-2017, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pathora

I like Tatum, Dennis Smith, or Mitchell (he's been much better over last 10 games averaging 19 ppg on 43% shooting, not an awesome percentage but better than the Lonzo like shooting he had earlier).

Kuzma seems like a really good player but I'm not sure if he'll ever be a superstar...I like D'Aaron Fox but Sacramento is trying the weird tough love start veterans strategy and it isn't working out.

I'm selling any Lonzo prizm parallels I get, I don't think he's very good...the absolute ceiling he has is Jason Kidd imo and he has no hobby love, even LA can't save that long term.

La would take a HOFer I would guess

JustinVerlander07 · 11-16-2017, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pathora

I like Tatum, Dennis Smith, or Mitchell (he's been much better over last 10 games averaging 19 ppg on 43% shooting, not an awesome percentage but better than the Lonzo like shooting he had earlier).

Kuzma seems like a really good player but I'm not sure if he'll ever be a superstar...I like D'Aaron Fox but Sacramento is trying the weird tough love start veterans strategy and it isn't working out.

I'm selling any Lonzo prizm parallels I get, I don't think he's very good...the absolute ceiling he has is Jason Kidd imo and he has no hobby love, even LA can't save that long term.

So you think Lonzo has the ceiling of a HOFer, and being a HOFer on the Lakers would bring no hobby love? Well....that's......interesting logic.

hofcollector2 · 11-17-2017, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Your article stinks!

Lol...

hofcollector2 · 11-17-2017, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by zinger1038

To me the wide open ones are a matter of confidence. I think he can and should knock those down. My point was that under even the slightest defensive pressure, his shots are way off, or worse, he can't even shoot without getting blocked.

Then what about his free throw shooting? Or are you gonna make another excuse, lol

ninjacookies · 11-17-2017, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

So you think Lonzo has the ceiling of a HOFer, and being a HOFer on the Lakers would bring no hobby love? Well....that's......interesting logic.

Logic does not exist on BO.

jumbogorilla · 11-17-2017, 02:31 AM

He's pretty similar to Elfrid Payton in stats in his rookie season. Pedestrian performance for a 1st rounder...but having seen his game up close, I can say that right now, he's not even the same player, confidence-wise, that I saw in high school and college.

It's not a straightfoward analogy, but there's a guy named Austin Barnes on the Dodgers. Pedestrian performance in the minors, but he played smart. Against their better judgment, the Dodgers called up Barnes early...and he has been playing like he belongs in the league ever since. I think Ball just needs some time in the league.

I get what you're saying, OP, but then again, not many guys rebound into superstardom after spending time in the G-League. I wouldn't do it if I was the Laker management. Yeah, I guess some pros punking on you might damage a player's ego, but Derrick Coleman dunking on Shaq didn't make Shaq a terrible player thereafter. Hell, Shawn Bradley got dunked on all the time and he was a decent center in the league.

Round Mound · 11-17-2017, 04:05 AM

Because he was a #2 pick, he could be the worst player in the next decade, he will still have a roster spot. A better player gets undrafted but has one season when his stats are a little bit down, he will be cut straight away....

Boo · 11-17-2017, 07:14 AM

LMAO, OP = PBM. He was too aggressive to be new.

jcardstore · 11-17-2017, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

LMAO, OP = PBM. He was too aggressive to be new.

hahahahah He kept crying because I called him out on being a PBM. He even bet me some AD auto card that he wasn't. The dude was blocking out the serial numbers on his cards. It couldn't have been any more obvious

I reported him a couple days ago and there was no IP match, he must've slipped up. Now I'm curious which PBM he was.

Boo · 11-17-2017, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

hahahahah He kept crying because I called him out on being a PBM. He even bet me some AD auto card that he wasn't. The dude was blocking out the serial numbers on his cards. It couldn't have been any more obvious

I reported him a couple days ago and there was no IP match, he must've slipped up. Now I'm curious which PBM he was.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...=971623&page=6

blackbears86 · 11-17-2017, 08:39 AM

I hope the Lonzo hype train keeps rollin' so I can scoop up the other players in this draft class at cheap prices!!!!!

LeonfromNC · 11-17-2017, 08:46 AM

Can we finally be honest about the OP?

How long before he comes back as someone else?

Maybe his new handle will be Embiid...

jcardstore · 11-17-2017, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LeonfromNC

Can we finally be honest about the OP?

How long before he comes back as someone else?

Maybe his new handle will be Embiid...

He's had like 5+ accounts already so he'll be back for sure.

He's obviously an idiot so I'm sure he'll get himself banned within a couple weeks again.

benz35 · 11-17-2017, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

He's had like 5+ accounts already so he'll be back for sure.

He's obviously an idiot so I'm sure he'll get himself banned within a couple weeks again.

probably the op is still a kid.. hahaha

indyguy · 11-17-2017, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LeonfromNC

Can we finally be honest about the OP?

How long before he comes back as someone else?

Maybe his new handle will be Embiid...

Maybe it will be NotPBMGiannis

DajuanWagner · 11-17-2017, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LeonfromNC

Can we finally be honest about the OP?

How long before he comes back as someone else?

Maybe his new handle will be Embiid...

That sux. I had a deal with him to buy some of his First off the line boxes when they come in..................

11-16-2017, 06:03 PM	#81
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11-17-2017, 02:31 AM	#90
jumbogorilla Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 6,345	He's pretty similar to Elfrid Payton in stats in his rookie season. Pedestrian performance for a 1st rounder...but having seen his game up close, I can say that right now, he's not even the same player, confidence-wise, that I saw in high school and college. It's not a straightfoward analogy, but there's a guy named Austin Barnes on the Dodgers. Pedestrian performance in the minors, but he played smart. Against their better judgment, the Dodgers called up Barnes early...and he has been playing like he belongs in the league ever since. I think Ball just needs some time in the league. I get what you're saying, OP, but then again, not many guys rebound into superstardom after spending time in the G-League. I wouldn't do it if I was the Laker management. Yeah, I guess some pros punking on you might damage a player's ego, but Derrick Coleman dunking on Shaq didn't make Shaq a terrible player thereafter. Hell, Shawn Bradley got dunked on all the time and he was a decent center in the league. __________________ *disclaimer - I am not a grader. I don't know how a card will grade. I rarely take more than 1 look at a card after I purchase or ebay or receive it in a break. Payments are expected within 6 hours of purchase. Failure to pay / communicate within a 6 hour timeframe will result in cancellation.

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Round Mound Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Thonon-les-Bains, France Posts: 2,165	Because he was a #2 pick, he could be the worst player in the next decade, he will still have a roster spot. A better player gets undrafted but has one season when his stats are a little bit down, he will be cut straight away.... __________________ Ultimate Charles Barkley fan, also searching for all Gadzuric cards. Last edited by Round Mound; 11-17-2017 at 07:27 AM.

11-17-2017, 07:14 AM	#92
Boo Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: PA Posts: 56,824 klay22	LMAO, OP = PBM. He was too aggressive to be new. __________________ I have found that flicking through a few threads on my smartphone is a great way to pass some time while "stocking the pond."Hairy 6/7/12 “ I feel you, brother. Welcome to East Berlin, circa 1963.” Hairy 5/9/20

11-16-2017, 05:53 PM	#80
darscards35kd Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 9,725 ss_cardshop515	Saw this posted on Twitter "Ben Simmons could miss his next 134 shots and still have a higher FG% than Lonzo."

11-16-2017, 07:07 PM	#82
Pathora Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,060 Pathora Pathora	I like Tatum, Dennis Smith, or Mitchell (he's been much better over last 10 games averaging 19 ppg on 43% shooting, not an awesome percentage but better than the Lonzo like shooting he had earlier). Kuzma seems like a really good player but I'm not sure if he'll ever be a superstar...I like D'Aaron Fox but Sacramento is trying the weird tough love start veterans strategy and it isn't working out. I'm selling any Lonzo prizm parallels I get, I don't think he's very good...the absolute ceiling he has is Jason Kidd imo and he has no hobby love, even LA can't save that long term.

11-17-2017, 08:39 AM	#95
blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,182 blackbears86	I hope the Lonzo hype train keeps rollin' so I can scoop up the other players in this draft class at cheap prices!!!!!

11-17-2017, 08:46 AM	#96
LeonfromNC Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 15,219	Can we finally be honest about the OP? How long before he comes back as someone else? Maybe his new handle will be Embiid...