Myles Garrett HATES the Cleveland Browns

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

He's a really solid young QB. Super high IQ, accurate, athletic, takes care of the ball.

Sounds like you’ve got a young Tom Brady on your hands!

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Sounds like you’ve got a young Tom Brady on your hands!

He’s not young or tall, either.

[SkipAway]

Originally Posted by asujbl

• Super high IQ? Sure. I have no idea but let's say he's smart
• Accurate? Nope - he's average at best
• Athletic? Nice try
• Takes care of the ball? So far so good

I hope he has fun playing starting QB for some games. It won't last much longer even if he finishes out the season

Dude ain't it. If Sanders doesn't replace him the 1st round pick, which there will be one, will replace him

He's a career backup

Right, you didn't know he was a super high IQ QB...

Are these all things you said about Baker, Daniel Jones, Darnold and Geno at the same point? I hope it wasn't while coronating Stroud (who's awesome), Nix, Tua, etc. Sheduer is way behind him and not replacing him... he's not any good.

It's unlikely they're taking a 1st round QB. They have Myles Garrett and had a great draft. They aren't at ground zero like Jets, Titans, Saints. They'd likely look at a veteran or bounce back guy like other teams have done.

Like I said, could take a couple years, could be sooner. Checks a ton of boxes. Polished, poised, and smart.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

Right, you didn't know he was a super high IQ QB...

Are these all things you said about Baker, Daniel Jones, Darnold and Geno at the same point? I hope it wasn't while coronating Stroud (who's awesome), Nix, Tua, etc. Sheduer is way behind him and not replacing him... he's not any good.

It's unlikely they're taking a 1st round QB. They have Myles Garrett and had a great draft. They aren't at ground zero like Jets, Titans, Saints. They'd likely look at a veteran or bounce back guy like other teams have done.

Like I said, could take a couple years, could be sooner. Checks a ton of boxes. Polished, poised, and smart.

It's a stone cold lock that they are taking a 1st round QB

That isn't even a discussion point

Sanders will absolutely start games this year. That also isn't a debate at this point. They've said as much

Do you even watch the Browns or are you just a random Dillon Gabriel fan?

[SkipAway]

Originally Posted by asujbl

It's a stone cold lock that they are taking a 1st round QB

That isn't even a discussion point

Sanders will absolutely start games this year. That also isn't a debate at this point. They've said as much

Do you even watch the Browns or are you just a random Dillon Gabriel fan?

They took a QB in the 3rd and 5th rounds last year, and it's a stone cold lock they're taking one in the 1st round this year? Then do this all over again next year with a younger, even more raw QB?

We'll see... it's highly risky, super low floor in the short term, and just an unnecessary way to spend capital (1st, 3rd, and 5th on QBs in two years... with potentially nothing to show for 2-3 years).

You have Myles Garrett and a very good defense priming out. A coach who's 2x COY with Baker and Flacco. You are not at ground zero, you're a solid veteran QB (or Gabriel) away from being a complete team.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by asujbl

It's a stone cold lock that they are taking a 1st round QB

That isn't even a discussion point

Sanders will absolutely start games this year. That also isn't a debate at this point. They've said as much

Do you even watch the Browns or are you just a random Dillon Gabriel fan?

What number on the shirt will this kid be?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

They took a QB in the 3rd and 5th rounds last year, and it's a stone cold lock they're taking one in the 1st round this year? Then do this all over again next year with a younger, even more raw QB?

We'll see... it's highly risky, super low floor in the short term, and just an unnecessary way to spend capital (1st, 3rd, and 5th on QBs in two years... with potentially nothing to show for 2-3 years).

You have Myles Garrett and a very good defense priming out. A coach who's 2x COY with Baker and Flacco. You are not at ground zero, you're a solid veteran QB (or Gabriel) away from being a complete team.

asujbl is correct. The Browns are dumb, of course they'd draft zero future QBs in the 3rd/5th, then follow up the year after with 1 in the first, all while still paying Deshaun when they should've just kept Baker.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

They took a QB in the 3rd and 5th rounds last year, and it's a stone cold lock they're taking one in the 1st round this year? Then do this all over again next year with a younger, even more raw QB?

We'll see... it's highly risky, super low floor in the short term, and just an unnecessary way to spend capital (1st, 3rd, and 5th on QBs in two years... with potentially nothing to show for 2-3 years).

You have Myles Garrett and a very good defense priming out. A coach who's 2x COY with Baker and Flacco. You are not at ground zero, you're a solid veteran QB (or Gabriel) away from being a complete team.

Yes. It's a stone cold lock

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

What number on the shirt will this kid be?

43 if you assume Sanders starts this year (which he will)

[SkipAway]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Yes. It's a stone cold lock

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of roster building. Can't rule it out of course, but it would be a massive blunder.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of roster building. Can't rule it out of course, but it would be a massive blunder.

Sounds good. You can think whatever you want

Gabriel sucks

They will be drafting a QB in the 1st round. So get on board

The only reason they wouldn't? The 1%? Is because of Sanders

Not Gabriel

[SkipAway]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Sounds good. You can think whatever you want

Gabriel sucks

They will be drafting a QB in the 1st round. So get on board

The only reason they wouldn't? The 1%? Is because of Sanders

Not Gabriel

You lack vision. But let's revisit in April...

Is there a particular QB you like? Or are you under the impression that you just repeatedly take QBs for the sake of taking one?

24 teams just passed on Jaxon Dart, including the Browns lol. There's like a 2% chance they take a QB, and that's if they trade into the Top 5 (which they won't).

I'm sure your plan works in Madden but this is real deal roster building.

[Boo]

Is Skip a nicer FCG? Seems they both like to give it to azzjubbles.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Boo

Is Skip a nicer FCG? Seems they both like to give it to azzjubbles.

I think it's Dillion Gabriel's Mom

That's my first instinct

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

You lack vision. But let's revisit in April...

Is there a particular QB you like? Or are you under the impression that you just repeatedly take QBs for the sake of taking one?

24 teams just passed on Jaxon Dart, including the Browns lol. There's like a 2% chance they take a QB, and that's if they trade into the Top 5 (which they won't).

I'm sure your plan works in Madden but this is real deal roster building.

I lack vision? I'm telling you what is going to happen dummy. I'm not Andrew Berry. Hate to tell you

I am a Browns season ticket holder that knows what the hell is going on

I do appreciate you think we're picking outside the Top 5. Most would disagree with you

Gabriel sucks. Sorry Mrs. Gabriel

[SkipAway]

I'm assuming he's just a massive Browns fan?

Zero emotional attachment to the Browns here... hence I'm able to clearly assess without all of the years of failure of Baker, Manziel, Weeden, Quinn, DTR.... back to Couch.

If you put Darnold or Dimes on this Browns team, they're a playoff team. Do you agree?

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

I'm assuming he's just a massive Browns fan?

Zero emotional attachment to the Browns here... hence I'm able to clearly assess without all of the years of failure of Baker, Manziel, Weeden, Quinn, DTR.... back to Couch.

If you put Darnold or Dimes on this Browns team, they're a playoff team. Do you agree?

You're literally the only person on the planet that thinks Gabriel is good. The only one

Would they be a Playoff team? That's a loaded question because of Lamar and Burrow. Are those guys still hurt? If he starts against New England this week? Maybe... because the Division sucks. If Lamar and Burrow were healthy and playing 7 games? No chance they are a Playoff team with Jones or Darnold

The same reason Flacco with Chase/Higgins isn't the same as Flacco with Jeudy/Fannin

The Browns have no Offense, it was garbage on Saturday (same as Gabriel), outside of Judkins. No OLine and no one that can catch the ball outside of Fannin (who is going to be good)

I have to be being punked. No way someone is this confident in the Browns right now

I look foward to Gabriel being benched. Just need a loss

[SkipAway]

Originally Posted by asujbl

You're literally the only person on the planet that thinks Gabriel is good. The only one

Would they be a Playoff team? That's a loaded question because of Lamar and Burrow. Are those guys still hurt? If he starts against New England this week? Maybe... because the Division sucks. If Lamar and Burrow were healthy and playing 7 games? No chance they are a Playoff team with Jones or Darnold

The same reason Flacco with Chase/Higgins isn't the same as Flacco with Jeudy/Fannin

The Browns have no Offense, it was garbage on Saturday (same as Gabriel), outside of Judkins. No OLine and no one that can catch the ball outside of Fannin (who is going to be good)

I have to be being punked. No way someone is this confident in the Browns right now

I look foward to Gabriel being benched. Just need a loss

2 months ago were you saying Dimes was trash?

18 months ago were you saying Baker/Darnold were busts?

Were you pounding the table for the Brows to draft Dart last year?

Rookie QBs are bad - breaking news. You're making sweeping judgements about a rookie QB, in a tough offense (as you outlined), in his first 4 starts (one of which he just won in blowout fashion). This isn't how you evaluate talent in the NFL.

You look for traits... and he has a bunch. But I mean you're not wrong. This is the Browns... you cannibalized John Dorsey and Baker Mayfield. I won't be shocked if they mess up the next 12 months, but nothing in roster building says they take a rookie QB to then set this team back another 2 years when you have the best defensive player in the NFL on your team.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

2 months ago were you saying Dimes was trash?

18 months ago were you saying Baker/Darnold were busts?

Were you pounding the table for the Brows to draft Dart last year?

Rookie QBs are bad - breaking news. You're making sweeping judgements about a rookie QB, in a tough offense (as you outlined), in his first 4 starts (one of which he just won in blowout fashion). This isn't how you evaluate talent in the NFL.

You look for traits... and he has a bunch. But I mean you're not wrong. This is the Browns... you cannibalized John Dorsey and Baker Mayfield. I won't be shocked if they mess up the next 12 months, but nothing in roster building says they take a rookie QB to then set this team back another 2 years when you have the best defensive player in the NFL on your team.

You think the Browns are good. More power to you

He also didn't win crap on Sunday. The fact that you said "blowout fashion" proves how much you actually watch Football

They could have started a 5 year old and they would have beat the Dolphins with Judkins and the Defense

Gabriel did absolutely nothing

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

2 months ago were you saying Dimes was trash?

18 months ago were you saying Baker/Darnold were busts?

Were you pounding the table for the Brows to draft Dart last year?

Rookie QBs are bad - breaking news. You're making sweeping judgements about a rookie QB, in a tough offense (as you outlined), in his first 4 starts (one of which he just won in blowout fashion). This isn't how you evaluate talent in the NFL.

You look for traits... and he has a bunch. But I mean you're not wrong. This is the Browns... you cannibalized John Dorsey and Baker Mayfield. I won't be shocked if they mess up the next 12 months, but nothing in roster building says they take a rookie QB to then set this team back another 2 years when you have the best defensive player in the NFL on your team.

On a related note I've got some tickets available if you'd like to watch your chosen one play...

I'll even cut you a deal

[SkipAway]

Originally Posted by asujbl

On a related note I've got some tickets available if you'd like to watch your chosen one play...

I'll even cut you a deal

They're certainly not on Dolphins, Saints, Titans, Jets level like you're acting. Their defense is very solid, their o-line is aging but big. Judkins is RB1, Njoku/Fannin both TE1, Jeudy is better than what he's been.

It's a decent roster, strong defensively. They lost to Burrow, Lamar, Goff... beat the Packers.

Just saying you're operating like they have nothing in place like those other teams, when in reality a QB could make them look a lot more like the Vikings, which I'd say most people think is a solid club.

Last year's draft is highly concerning though (2024 draft)... are any of those guys playing any significant snaps?

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

They're certainly not on Dolphins, Saints, Titans, Jets level like you're acting. Their defense is very solid, their o-line is aging but big. Judkins is RB1, Njoku/Fannin both TE1, Jeudy is better than what he's been.

It's a decent roster, strong defensively. They lost to Burrow, Lamar, Goff... beat the Packers.

Just saying you're operating like they have nothing in place like those other teams, when in reality a QB could make them look a lot more like the Vikings, which I'd say most people think is a solid club.

Last year's draft is highly concerning though (2024 draft)... are any of those guys playing any significant snaps?

You are just Mister Positivity and I’m here for all of it

Let’s go Browns!

Gabriel still sucks though. Even if you believe the rest of this

[SkipAway]

Originally Posted by asujbl

You are just Mister Positivity and I’m here for all of it

Let’s go Browns!

Gabriel still sucks though. Even if you believe the rest of this

Yessir, just like the roster and see what they're building.

And if Gabriel didn't win crap, that supports my argument that the team around him is pretty good (since he didn't lift a finger).

If that's the case and you want to select a 1st Rd QB to complete the team, just don't be mad at me when it looks like JJ McCarthy, rookie Trevor, rookie Baker, or basically any rookie QB in the last X number of years.

If you're actually close to being good (like Seahawks, Bucs, Colts in the last couple years), a veteran QB is much more likely to accelerate the rise than a rookie QB. Myles ain't waiting around for some 22 year old to 'develop,' as he's stated (and been promised before signing an extension).

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by SkipAway

Yessir, just like the roster and see what they're building.

And if Gabriel didn't win crap, that supports my argument that the team around him is pretty good (since he didn't lift a finger).

If that's the case and you want to select a 1st Rd QB to complete the team, just don't be mad at me when it looks like JJ McCarthy, rookie Trevor, rookie Baker, or basically any rookie QB in the last X number of years.

If you're actually close to being good (like Seahawks, Bucs, Colts in the last couple years), a veteran QB is much more likely to accelerate the rise than a rookie QB. Myles ain't waiting around for some 22 year old to 'develop,' as he's stated (and been promised before signing an extension).

Here we go Brownies. Here we go!

Woof Woof

[asujbl]

Side note… Gabriel is still garbage


In 3 starts:

- 98 total pass attempts
- 66 attempts at 9 yards or less
- Just 11/28 to intermediate range (10-19)
- Just 1/4 on passes over 20 yards

This results in (out of 34 qualifying QBs):

- 5.1 yards per attempt (34th)
- 6.1 ADOT (34th)
- 3 TD (33rd)
- 546 yards (34th)
- 59.8% CMP (31st)
- 2 big-time throws (34th)
- 1.7% BTT (34th)

That’s 67% of the time, Gabriel is throwing passes under 9 yards. And yet, he somehow has a high amount of bad throws despite the shorter, “safer” passes.

- 6 turnover-worthy plays (20th)
- 4.6% TWP (6th-highest)