Elly De La Cruz - Page 39

Kg98 · 07-20-2023, 01:59 PM

oh boy, another 99mph infield assist! OPS at an elite .768 now!

redlegs · 07-20-2023, 02:03 PM

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oh boy, another 99mph infield assist! OPS at an elite .768 now!

go away

49ersSF · 07-20-2023, 04:56 PM

I'm starting to wonder if MLB pitchers figured out Elly. He is 2 for his last 28 with 12 strikeouts.

The_Reverend · 07-20-2023, 05:05 PM

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I'm starting to wonder if MLB pitchers figured out Elly. He is 2 for his last 28 with 12 strikeouts.

His one area that was a problem in the minors was K’s. Unless he adjust and learn the strike zone, he will go the way of so many other fast start. The K is a very good sign of the longevity of a player.

cardozo · 07-21-2023, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 49ersSF

I'm starting to wonder if MLB pitchers figured out Elly. He is 2 for his last 28 with 12 strikeouts.

Its most likely the other way around.

packman80 · 07-21-2023, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 49ersSF

I'm starting to wonder if MLB pitchers figured out Elly. He is 2 for his last 28 with 12 strikeouts.

Yep makes you wonder if he came up had 1st hot month because there is no film on him at the MLB level but once they get film on him figure out how to pitch to him he's now struggling and will need to try to adjust to what they are throwing to him.

Bcr · 07-21-2023, 09:05 AM

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Yep makes you wonder if he came up had 1st hot month because there is no film on him at the MLB level but once they get film on him figure out how to pitch to him he's now struggling and will need to try to adjust to what they are throwing to him.

This is the exact process that happens with most players. I'm sure he's already started working on adjustments but it takes time for young players.

Funkster · 07-21-2023, 09:15 AM

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This is the exact process that happens with most players. I'm sure he's already started working on adjustments but it takes time for young players.

This. I don't care one way or the other but the people talking about his hot start and saying he's done because the league adjusted to him apparently never watch newly called up players. This happens to almost every rookie.

johnlocke36 · 07-21-2023, 09:59 AM

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This. I don't care one way or the other but the people talking about his hot start and saying he's done because the league adjusted to him apparently never watch newly called up players. This happens to almost every rookie.

Nobody is saying this doesn’t happen to most rookies. The isssue is while this happened to most other rookies, what was the subsequent price action with those rookies?

Funkster · 07-21-2023, 10:23 AM

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Nobody is saying this doesn’t happen to most rookies. The isssue is while this happened to most other rookies, what was the subsequent price action with those rookies?

You may be saying that, but others are clearly talking about his on field performance and not his card prices.

SupermanBrandon · 07-21-2023, 10:26 AM

If I was a new investor (as of the last few months) and I was still holding...I would be worried.

Absknicks · 07-21-2023, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bcr

This is the exact process that happens with most players. I'm sure he's already started working on adjustments but it takes time for young players.

Thing is most young players don't figure it out. Even the best prospects bust in MLB at a very high rate.

packman80 · 07-21-2023, 11:17 AM

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If I was a new investor (as of the last few months) and I was still holding...I would be worried.

Maybe people should stop being investors if they are so worried about card prices. Cards are just as bad if not worse then playing the stock market.

JRX · 07-21-2023, 11:17 AM

He has so much raw talent that he will probably have a long major league career even if he doesn't figure it out. Doesn't mean your cards will be worth anything, but this guy is going to be on someone's roster for the next 10 years.

OneSickDegen · 07-21-2023, 11:25 AM

Hitting major league pitching is hard

Funkster · 07-21-2023, 11:25 AM

The 60 percent GB rate is concerning though.

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johnlocke36 · 07-21-2023, 11:33 AM

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You may be saying that, but others are clearly talking about his on field performance and not his card prices.

I mean the 2 are clearly correlated. Maybee he figures it out, Maybee he doesn’t.

While they might not be at the moment, they will be at some point in the future. Currently the market prices him like he’s the second coming of Jesus Christ but Pedro cerrano May be a more accurate comp.

There is no denying his raw talent and there’s certainly a chance he turns into a generational talent but there is also a chance that the last few weeks is the norm. Obv people are free to invest however they want but it seems very likely that anyone paying 175 for base chrome is gonna get rekt

Bcr · 07-21-2023, 11:46 AM

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Thing is most young players don't figure it out. Even the best prospects bust in MLB at a very high rate.

Correct. However it's been 37 games... Let's pump the breaks a bit.

Merkle14 · 07-21-2023, 01:54 PM

Elly will always have that ceiling but its the lack of walks for me rn. We knew he would strike out a lot. He's always struggled with offspeed too, which I think is what seperates major league pitching from the minors, strong offspeed that can be controlled. Most minor league arms throw hard these days. He guesses wayyyy too much at the plate and he aint picking up spin. He was getting those walks when he first got called up and now 7:1 walk to K rate last 15. Hate Soto all you want for his lack of speed fielding whatever but he gives you the most professional AB in baseball. Elly had 6 walks in his first 7 games, since 4 over his last 29-30 games.

brios8 · 07-21-2023, 09:10 PM

and we can add another 0 for 3 with 3 Strikeouts

In my opinion this is more what could be expected from him..
though you can add a highlight reel or two per week with his speed or arm strength.

still enough time to sell

OhioLawyerF5 · 07-21-2023, 09:15 PM

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and we can add another 0 for 3 with 3 Strikeouts

In my opinion this is more what could be expected from him..
though you can add a highlight reel or two per week with his speed or arm strength.

still enough time to sell

Did you follow him in the minors? He had lengthy adjustment periods with high K rates after every promotion. He always made the adjustments. Not guaranteeing he'll do it in the majors, but way too early to think he won't.

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ThoseBackPages · 07-21-2023, 09:17 PM

dont be a brokie

brios8 · 07-21-2023, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Did you follow him in the minors? He had lengthy adjustment periods with high K rates after every promotion. He always made the adjustments. Not guaranteeing he'll do it in the majors, but way too early to think he won't.

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I didn´t..

Though it sounds it´s the opposite in the MLB. he started on fire and then all downhill

I just knew he had a high SO rate. Amazing athlete with 5 tool talent but with the SO problem and in my opinion a risky frame as a SS.

I expect him to adjust a bit, but not that much.. seems like a .250-.270 hitter with many strikeouts, Top 1% speed and arm strength..
great for the team, exciting to watch, but dont see him being worth 10x more than Oneil Cruz.. maybe 2x because Oneil is injured

OhioLawyerF5 · 07-21-2023, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by brios8

I didn´t..

Though it sounds it´s the opposite in the MLB. he started on fire and then all downhill

I just knew he had a high SO rate. Amazing athlete with 5 tool talent but with the SO problem and in my opinion a risky frame as a SS.

He didn't start on fire in the majors. He's had a few great games sprinkled in, but shortly after his callup he went something like 0-16 with 12 Ks right before the cycle game. People just quickly forgot that slow start.

He's also playing more 3rd than short in the majors.

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ThoseBackPages · 07-21-2023, 09:22 PM

Cruz is on the Pirates

07-20-2023, 04:56 PM	#953
49ersSF Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,906	I'm starting to wonder if MLB pitchers figured out Elly. He is 2 for his last 28 with 12 strikeouts. __________________ They see what they have been told to see.

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,820 ThoseBackPages	dont be a brokie __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,820 ThoseBackPages	Cruz is on the Pirates __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

07-20-2023, 01:59 PM	#951
Kg98 Member Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: DMV Posts: 54 kygius_0	oh boy, another 99mph infield assist! OPS at an elite .768 now!

07-21-2023, 10:26 AM	#961
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	If I was a new investor (as of the last few months) and I was still holding...I would be worried.

07-21-2023, 11:17 AM	#964
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,702	He has so much raw talent that he will probably have a long major league career even if he doesn't figure it out. Doesn't mean your cards will be worth anything, but this guy is going to be on someone's roster for the next 10 years.

07-21-2023, 11:25 AM	#965
OneSickDegen Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: KCMO -> LV Posts: 1,467	Hitting major league pitching is hard

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Funkster Member Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,005	The 60 percent GB rate is concerning though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-21-2023, 01:54 PM	#969
Merkle14 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Virginia Posts: 702	Elly will always have that ceiling but its the lack of walks for me rn. We knew he would strike out a lot. He's always struggled with offspeed too, which I think is what seperates major league pitching from the minors, strong offspeed that can be controlled. Most minor league arms throw hard these days. He guesses wayyyy too much at the plate and he aint picking up spin. He was getting those walks when he first got called up and now 7:1 walk to K rate last 15. Hate Soto all you want for his lack of speed fielding whatever but he gives you the most professional AB in baseball. Elly had 6 walks in his first 7 games, since 4 over his last 29-30 games.

07-21-2023, 09:10 PM	#970
brios8 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: South Padre Island, TX Posts: 6,992 brios8 brios8	and we can add another 0 for 3 with 3 Strikeouts In my opinion this is more what could be expected from him.. though you can add a highlight reel or two per week with his speed or arm strength. still enough time to sell