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[swise0121]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

So if senators and congressmen should vote for their constituents why did the
inbread Mass congress members vote for this late term abortion of a bill? 96% of Massachusetts residents were covered by Romney care.

Late term abortion of a bill. I c wut u did that.
8/10

[XARZY]

Just consider this when the task of raising minimum wage comes up. A cna/ma/pct will more than likely make the same as a burger flipper because hospitals and care facilities will be unable to bump salaries any more because of budget limitations.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by XARZY

Just consider this when the task of raising minimum wage comes up. A cna/ma/pct will more than likely make the same as a burger flipper because hospitals and care facilities will be unable to bump salaries any more because of budget limitations.

I fail to see the correlation. There's no reason to artificially keep wages suppressed in one field just because workers in an unrelated field aren't being paid what they deserve.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I fail to see the correlation. There's no reason to artificially keep wages suppressed in one field just because workers in an unrelated field aren't being paid what they deserve.

I know most of the members on BO would refuse to work a grill because they simply don't want to. Being a grill, IMO, is a harder job then a CNA or a DSP. I think burger flippers have one of the harder jobs in any market because they literally do the same crap over and over, but work in bad conditions. I myself don't see the point in slaving over a grill when I can relax and watch TV serving the elderly or other population

[trixstar]

Do any Trump supporters or those voting for Trump to "change" whatever you think he has the ability to change agree with this article?

Why Trump’s fall will hit hard | New York Post

When I say agree I'm specifically talking about this portion

“All of this was quite disorienting in itself,” Sracic explained. “But added to that mix was technology, which enabled a globalized economy to shrink the demand, and therefore the wages, for ordinary workers.”

This new America can seem like a foreign country, particularly to those who feel they have been the victims of all these changes — changes about which they were never consulted.

Even the new economic elites seem foreign, earning their money and status by inventing apps rather than tangible products and shunning institutions like the military or organized religion that once provided a common, leveling experience for Americans.

Today’s populist backlash began in 2009 with the rise of the Tea Party movement, whose own attempt to “make America great again” focused on constitutional restoration. Much of the media sneered at that movement, using the sexual innuendo of “tea baggers” and dismissing critiques of Obama’s Affordable Care Act as naïve.

The Tea Party movement arose spontaneously, without any centralized structure, said Sracic: “Because of this, it seemed to be dissolving [on its own]. But the anger, and the sense that things weren’t right, simmered beneath the surface.”

Enter Trump. His connection to the Tea Party wasn’t obvious. After all, he seems barely aware of the text of the Constitution.

“Perhaps, however, the Constitution was more of a symbol of the America that had been lost than anything else,” said Sracic.

And Trump offered a confident message that all could be made right. He began with a promise to build a wall, to establish a solid border that would help to define “America.” He also promised to sever the ties that bind the global economy — free-trade agreements like NAFTA.

[bowefan]

In the process of doing research on Evan McMullinl. So far I like what I am reading. Might have to write in his name on election day.

Here is the link to his homepage, just in case some of you want a different choice this Nov.
https://www.evanmcmullin.com/issues

[phosgene]

the tea party, trump's "movement" is nothing but a right wing backlash to democrats holding the white house. it will only get worse in the next cycle. the republicans just keep insisting on adding more poison. when it really sinks in that their path to national office may be gone for a generation, that the balance of the court will change for a generation. it is going to GET UGLY.

[bowefan]

I would like to ask if anyone here is for buying health insurance across state line. Before you guys start spouting off about how this won't work, because of State Mandates and the cost will go through the roof. Think about how car insurance was before they opened up state lines. I remember back in 1994, I bought a brand new Nissan Sentra and the price of car insurance was more than my monthly payment on my car. But once state lines opened up, the price fell. It did take time, but within 4 or 5 years my insurance was reduced from 234 a month to 90 to 100 dollars. Now there were probably mandates back then, but once those were removed, the uninsured motorist finally was able to afford car insurance. So why can't we do that with Health Insurance. It might take 4 to 5 years to have it fully implemented, but were still waiting on Obamacare to really kick in and it has been over 5 years as of today.
If you really look at what is happening to Obamacare with an open mind, it is not really the end all be all of insurance coverage. Yes I admit, there are more insured under Obamacare, but at what cost. I can't afford coverage because of the high deductible. I used to have a choice of deductibles, depending on what type of coverage I wanted, the highest being around 500 to 750 dollars a year. I also had a co-pay of around 25 dollars for doctor's visits. Now I have no co-pay, just a deductible of 3000 dollars, so if I went to the doctor I have to pay around 75 to 125 dollars a visit until I pay the deductible off, which is about 25 to 30 doctor's visits. Tell me who goes to the doctor 30 times a year. Also the deductible is going up next year for me. Mind you, the 3000 deductible is for me only, my kids and wife are on the same deductible. So if you add up all 4 of us, that is 12000 dollars a year, before we stop using out of pocket money. I just don't go to the doctor.
I am happy that people can now be treated with existing illnesses, but we are also causing more people to stop going to the doctor all together. That's not good. So why not give insurance companies a chance to compete for our business and strip the mandates from the states that are keeping our insurance prices high. It worked before, why can't it work now.

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Do any Trump supporters or those voting for Trump to "change" whatever you think he has the ability to change agree with this article?

Why Trump’s fall will hit hard | New York Post

When I say agree I'm specifically talking about this portion

Posting any opionated Trump hit pieces are not going to really change anyone's mind about him at this point. I think factual articles like this about Clinton just further prove how guilty she is though, if you want to read into any of her crimes before voting for her.

1,000 Clinton-Petraeus emails missing from records sent to State, FBI files show | Fox News

[phosgene]

not aware that auto insurance can be purchased "across state lines". it always strikes me as odd that the republicans are eager to return the ability to regulate abortion to the states, but they want to take the health and well being of their citizens out of their direct control. are they for "states' rights" or not?

the question with medical insurance is not worth much discussion, imho. the republicans run on "repeal and replace" but they don't have anything CLOSE to a replace. sorry guys, we had a vote, the bill got signed, scotus signed off. the wheels are up and we're not going back to the airport.

the simplest thing, the easiest thing is for the governors in red states to stop acting like babies and set up their own vigorous health insurance exchanges. also, get on board with the medicaid expansion like kasich did. if republicans would put half the effort into making the ACA work as they do in trying to undermine it, things will start working better. the states that set up exchanges and took the medicaid expansion offer show good results. the law is helping a lot of people. repealing it will cause twice as much upheaval and uncertainty in the healthcare sector as debating and passing it did. this is 17% of the economy on the line.

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by bowefan

I would like to ask if anyone here is for buying health insurance across state line. Before you guys start spouting off about how this won't work, because of State Mandates and the cost will go through the roof. Think about how car insurance was before they opened up state lines. I remember back in 1994, I bought a brand new Nissan Sentra and the price of car insurance was more than my monthly payment on my car. But once state lines opened up, the price fell. It did take time, but within 4 or 5 years my insurance was reduced from 234 a month to 90 to 100 dollars. Now there were probably mandates back then, but once those were removed, the uninsured motorist finally was able to afford car insurance. So why can't we do that with Health Insurance. It might take 4 to 5 years to have it fully implemented, but were still waiting on Obamacare to really kick in and it has been over 5 years as of today.
If you really look at what is happening to Obamacare with an open mind, it is not really the end all be all of insurance coverage. Yes I admit, there are more insured under Obamacare, but at what cost. I can't afford coverage because of the high deductible. I used to have a choice of deductibles, depending on what type of coverage I wanted, the highest being around 500 to 750 dollars a year. I also had a co-pay of around 25 dollars for doctor's visits. Now I have no co-pay, just a deductible of 3000 dollars, so if I went to the doctor I have to pay around 75 to 125 dollars a visit until I pay the deductible off, which is about 25 to 30 doctor's visits. Tell me who goes to the doctor 30 times a year. Also the deductible is going up next year for me. Mind you, the 3000 deductible is for me only, my kids and wife are on the same deductible. So if you add up all 4 of us, that is 12000 dollars a year, before we stop using out of pocket money. I just don't go to the doctor.
I am happy that people can now be treated with existing illnesses, but we are also causing more people to stop going to the doctor all together. That's not good. So why not give insurance companies a chance to compete for our business and strip the mandates from the states that are keeping our insurance prices high. It worked before, why can't it work now.

Obamacare has been so bad for the middle class that it's actually better to self insure with a HSA, unless you plan on a significant event like child berth. Employers will help pay into a HSA too because it saves them so much compared to their share of the premiums. In your case, that $12,000 in lost premiums would just be in your HSA and not just lit on fire, on top of the extra cash to meet any deductible, and then you just keep building or putting in less until you need it.

All Obamacare is really doing is artificially hiking up the premiums for those who actually pay to unbearable levels to make up for huge losses. This issue alone should drive you to vote Trump unless you don't mind wasting thousands of extra dollars a year for crappier healthcare. If Hillary wins I'll be 100% moved to HSA since regular insurance will be an utter nightmare, even compared to right now.

[jj2]

Wait for Trump to start his own media organisation after this. He's already got Roger Ailes and Stephen Bannon in his circle. Trump might be smarter than I give him credit for... fancy having the platform he's currently got to slam the "MSM" and sow some seeds.

Trumps only got everyone's best interests as heart. If by "everybody" he means himself. He's never thought about anyone but himself for the last 70 years; why start now.

[bowefan]

Originally Posted by phosgene

not aware that auto insurance can be purchased "across state lines". it always strikes me as odd that the republicans are eager to return the ability to regulate abortion to the states, but they want to take the health and well being of their citizens out of their direct control. are they for "states' rights" or not?

the question with medical insurance is not worth much discussion, imho. the republicans run on "repeal and replace" but they don't have anything CLOSE to a replace. sorry guys, we had a vote, the bill got signed, scotus signed off. the wheels are up and we're not going back to the airport.

the simplest thing, the easiest thing is for the governors in red states to stop acting like babies and set up their own vigorous health insurance exchanges. also, get on board with the medicaid expansion like kasich did. if republicans would put half the effort into making the ACA work as they do in trying to undermine it, things will start working better. the states that set up exchanges and took the medicaid expansion offer show good results. the law is helping a lot of people. repealing it will cause twice as much upheaval and uncertainty in the healthcare sector as debating and passing it did. this is 17% of the economy on the line.

I admit, the old way wasn't working, but telling me pretty much to accept an increase in deductibles by 5 to 6 times what I was paying, so someone else can get free or reduced insurance is crap. I am not accepting it. I don't want to pay 400 to 700 dollars a month for insurance only to be told that you can use it after you pay your 3000 dollar deductible. While all along, the guy down the street who don't want to get off his butt and go to work gets free health care for his family. I am ok with the elderly and disabled being helped out, but not the deadbeats who use the system to get free stuff.
As far as the states not setting up exchanges and to get on board, well look around. The states are becoming bankrupt. My state can't afford to meet common supplies for schools, so how can they pay for exchanges. When did this country become the home of the free stuff. What happened to getting off your butt and working hard to support your family. What happen to integrity and taking pride in one self and their accomplishments. See the problem with obamacare, is that Obama himself, has push back alot of mandates, so when people realize how screw up it really is, he will be out of office and they can blame the Republican or the States or the Insurance carriers or drug industries. See that's what they been quietly doing for the last 5 plus years. Pelosi stated you have to pass the bill before you know what is in the bill. That is crazy, but with a little dishonest trickery, they sure passed it, without knowing what was in it.
The funny thing is , I am not a Republican. I am a American citizen who has his eyes wide open, who sees through the political spin of both major parties. I make my own decisions and I live with the results. I, for damn sure don't want the decisions made for me by our government. Don't you think the American people should cut the strings of the puppet master and stand on their own two feet.

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by tke1600

Posting any opionated Trump hit pieces are not going to really change anyone's mind about him at this point. I think factual articles like this about Clinton just further prove how guilty she is though, if you want to read into any of her crimes before voting for her.

1,000 Clinton-Petraeus emails missing from records sent to State, FBI files show | Fox News

i'm not trying to change anyones mind. I'm trying to understand the other sides point of view. Like everything else this political season no one will/can talk about it they just shove in the other persons face what the other candidate did wrong.

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by trixstar

i'm not trying to change anyones mind. I'm trying to understand the other sides point of view. Like everything else this political season no one will/can talk about it they just shove in the other persons face what the other candidate did wrong.

Im not sure how many people actually like Trump as the candidate but I think a lot of people are tired of giving everything away and the crushing cost of all the programs on the middle class

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

Im not sure how many people actually like Trump as the candidate but I think a lot of people are tired of giving everything away and the crushing cost of all the programs on the middle class

I guess my biggest issue with the group of people who are voting for Trump "just because" they don't like the current system or think he's actually going to change anything is the fact they are basically aligning themselves with the alt right. I just don't understand doing anything to put yourself on their side whether you want to admit it or not. You can tell me how much you're nothing like them and how you just want someone different in office but if you're actually voting for Trump then you're aligning yourself with them. Trump knows that's his base and that's who he tries to rile up and that's who he preaches to and honestly it's sickening.

Anyway im done with this thread for the weekend lol I just want to watch football and relax

[Athey49]

Originally Posted by swise0121

Are we just throwing out random false accusations???

If you're calling Bill Clinton a rapist, then yes, I'd consider Trump one as well

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by phosgene

not aware that auto insurance can be purchased "across state lines". it always strikes me as odd that the republicans are eager to return the ability to regulate abortion to the states, but they want to take the health and well being of their citizens out of their direct control. are they for "states' rights" or not?

the question with medical insurance is not worth much discussion, imho. the republicans run on "repeal and replace" but they don't have anything CLOSE to a replace. sorry guys, we had a vote, the bill got signed, scotus signed off. the wheels are up and we're not going back to the airport.

the simplest thing, the easiest thing is for the governors in red states to stop acting like babies and set up their own vigorous health insurance exchanges. also, get on board with the medicaid expansion like kasich did. if republicans would put half the effort into making the ACA work as they do in trying to undermine it, things will start working better. the states that set up exchanges and took the medicaid expansion offer show good results. the law is helping a lot of people. repealing it will cause twice as much upheaval and uncertainty in the healthcare sector as debating and passing it did. this is 17% of the economy on the line.

It always strikes me as odd that Democrats are eager to allow people to decide if they want to kill an unborn child, but they want to take the ability of citizens to defend themselves out of their direct control. Are they pro-choice or not?

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by phosgene

not aware that auto insurance can be purchased "across state lines". it always strikes me as odd that the republicans are eager to return the ability to regulate abortion to the states, but they want to take the health and well being of their citizens out of their direct control. are they for "states' rights" or not?

the question with medical insurance is not worth much discussion, imho. the republicans run on "repeal and replace" but they don't have anything CLOSE to a replace. sorry guys, we had a vote, the bill got signed, scotus signed off. the wheels are up and we're not going back to the airport.

the simplest thing, the easiest thing is for the governors in red states to stop acting like babies and set up their own vigorous health insurance exchanges. also, get on board with the medicaid expansion like kasich did. if republicans would put half the effort into making the ACA work as they do in trying to undermine it, things will start working better. the states that set up exchanges and took the medicaid expansion offer show good results. the law is helping a lot of people. repealing it will cause twice as much upheaval and uncertainty in the healthcare sector as debating and passing it did. this is 17% of the economy on the line.

i think a lot of people would listen to the repeal and replace argument if there was a solid replace plan proposed.

But, asking us to take this congress on faith that they will get a solid plan created and passed AFTER repealing Obamacare is a non-starter.

[preakness]

Hillary has changed her hair too much over past 40 years

At least Donald has kept his the same

That makes me trust him more and he gets my vote for that reason

[mikestrick]

Donald Trump?s Alt-Right Supporters: Internet Abuse Must End | National Review

Good article if you get a chance to read it.

[37Jetson]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

i think a lot of people would listen to the repeal and replace argument if there was a solid replace plan proposed.

But, asking us to take this congress on faith that they will get a solid plan created and passed AFTER repealing Obamacare is a non-starter.

I would love to see Obamacare completely dismantled. Heck, I would even consider a Canadian system, but we cannot trust our politicians to do the right thing for the people versus lining their own pockets, lining the pockets of their donors, using the plan for evil social engineering, etc.

It is disgusting what Obamacare has done to the working families of America.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

I would love to see Obamacare completely dismantled. Heck, I would even consider a Canadian system, but we cannot trust our politicians to do the right thing for the people versus lining their own pockets, lining the pockets of their donors, using the plan for evil social engineering, etc.

It is disgusting what Obamacare has done to the working families of America.

single payer would certainly give the government the weight it needs to negotiate down prices and costs.

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by 37Jetson

I would love to see Obamacare completely dismantled. Heck, I would even consider a Canadian system, but we cannot trust our politicians to do the right thing for the people versus lining their own pockets, lining the pockets of their donors, using the plan for evil social engineering, etc.

It is disgusting what Obamacare has done to the working families of America.

It's a joke what all these handout programs have done to the working families of this country. If the Dems get their way we will soon have even more to pay for. So on top of my insurance costs skyrocketing each year Im guessing taxes will soon rise as well. Nothing I like more then half or more of my money going to taxes and insurance costs its freaking awesome.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

It's a joke what all these handout programs have done to the working families of this country. If the Dems get their way we will soon have even more to pay for. So on top of my insurance costs skyrocketing each year Im guessing taxes will soon rise as well. Nothing I like more then half or more of my money going to taxes and insurance costs its freaking awesome.

perhaps if we reduced our military budget by the smallest of margins (by just eliminating wasteful contracts, not cutting soldiers' benefits or anything), "handout" programs would be well funded.



but, your taxes shouldn't change if Clinton wins and gets her way unless you as a family make more than 250k.